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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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As long as he wins us matches I love him, I don't think he comes across arsey, just wears his heart on his sleeve, better than being a bland, boring Appleton type. He has performed nothing short of miracles here; he can claim he can walk on water for all I care.9
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It’s funny how some fans love him and some don’t. I’m in the former as I find him so entertaining with his bat shit crazy antics on the sideline lol. The bloke kicks every ball during a game as others have said chalk and cheese from that twat Appleton!4
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He lacks class and grace, but if he keeps us on the up, then we can't always have everything.oohaahmortimer said:I think what he has done is beyond a miracle but as thenewbie says I just can’t warm to him.
He’s just so arsey, still harping back to Bristol Rovers when we were a disgrace and surely he’d expect fans to be disgruntled . He was wank at Stoke and still bitching about them .
He’s been sooooo brilliant for us and I so want to love him unconditionally like the previous gods like SCP and Curbs but I just can’t and it’s really annoying me .
It’s my issue and i‘ll have to deal with it internally but long may he reign over us (while we’re on this upwards trajectory)4 -
I don't think there is anything wrong with not warming to him, he is a 'larger than life' type, and not everyone likes them.
I have personally always liked him, just hated how terrible we looked before the turnaround.
Going back to people saying he should have gone, or were concerned, their fears were right at the time. His track record outside of Luton was bad, and it was looking like he was going to struggle again.
Fortunately, he found a rhythm, and got a tune out of us, and the rest is history. I am just glad it worked out, because for me, he is undoubtedly a better manager than Bowyer & Powell, we were quite fortunate to land him.
I doubt Powell or Bowyer will ever gain a promotion again as a head coach/manager in all honesty. I can see Jones managing well into his old age, as it seems like an obsession to him, which we are reaping the rewards from currently.10 -
No one can ever say he doesn't care.Braziliance said:I don't think there is anything wrong with not warming to him, he is a 'larger than life' type, and not everyone likes them.
I have personally always liked him, just hated how terrible we looked before the turnaround.
Going back to people saying he should have gone, or were concerned, their fears were right at the time. His track record outside of Luton was bad, and it was looking like he was going to struggle again.
Fortunately, he found a rhythm, and got a tune out of us, and the rest is history. I am just glad it worked out, because for me, he is undoubtedly a better manager than Bowyer & Powell, we were quite fortunate to land him.
I doubt Powell or Bowyer will ever gain a promotion again as a head coach/manager in all honesty. I can see Jones managing well into his old age, as it seems like an obsession to him, which we are reaping the rewards from currently.
And with Nathan's friend ( The Big Man upstairs ) on our side, anything is possible.2 -
If he was my boss I'd probably hate him, because I do not respond well to being shouted at, but on the plus side it looks like you always know where you are with him, good or bad. Yeah, I don't love him like I did Chris Powell, but that's an incredibly high bar to get over. Curbs has mellowed in his old age, but back in the day he was definitely a tad prickly if not as outright spiky as Jones is. I said about 18months ago, he's mad as a box of frogs, but he's OUR mad box of frogs, and now it seems to be proving there's method in his madness. Hopefully, if it all goes a bit pearshaped at some point in the season, we can all manage not to drive each other nuts by being too kneejerk in response (both the fans and him) but I fear that may be a bit too much to hope for. Fingers crossed we can just carry on making steady progress for a while.7
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How can anyone not warm to him at the moment! After all we’ve been through, something like this has been a long time coming and is a breath of fresh air. I despair of some of our fanbase sometimes.By the way, he also did a great job with us when he was in charge of the U21’s. I’ve held him in high regard ever since.9
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I don't know how it all clicked after the Crawley home game last season, but who cares, it did.Jones has stuck with a belief and we are where we are now.As it stands he has been a fantastic success and long may it continue.1
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1) Wash your mouth outBraziliance said:I don't think there is anything wrong with not warming to him, he is a 'larger than life' type, and not everyone likes them.
I have personally always liked him, just hated how terrible we looked before the turnaround.
Going back to people saying he should have gone, or were concerned, their fears were right at the time. His track record outside of Luton was bad, and it was looking like he was going to struggle again.
Fortunately, he found a rhythm, and got a tune out of us, and the rest is history. I am just glad it worked out, because for me, he is undoubtedly a better manager than Bowyer & Powell, we were quite fortunate to land him.
I doubt Powell or Bowyer will ever gain a promotion again as a head coach/manager in all honesty. I can see Jones managing well into his old age, as it seems like an obsession to him, which we are reaping the rewards from currently.
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2) that is unfounded bollocks2 -
Would he go “home” to Wrexham?0
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Totally agree. He's transformed the club and got it moving in the right direction again, uniting fans and players in the process. I heard many of the players we signed say that we're "a club on the up" which hasn't been true for a very long time.Rob said:How can anyone not warm to him at the moment! After all we’ve been through, something like this has been a long time coming and is a breath of fresh air. I despair of some of our fanbase sometimes.By the way, he also did a great job with us when he was in charge of the U21’s. I’ve held him in high regard ever since.
Love having him as manager. The bloke has passion and the ability to back it up. Much rather that than a media trained managerial equivalent of a David Gray song in the dugout every week. Interesting people make life more interesting.5 -
Quite a strong response no.. unfounded bollocks?paulsturgess said:
1) Wash your mouth outBraziliance said:I don't think there is anything wrong with not warming to him, he is a 'larger than life' type, and not everyone likes them.
I have personally always liked him, just hated how terrible we looked before the turnaround.
Going back to people saying he should have gone, or were concerned, their fears were right at the time. His track record outside of Luton was bad, and it was looking like he was going to struggle again.
Fortunately, he found a rhythm, and got a tune out of us, and the rest is history. I am just glad it worked out, because for me, he is undoubtedly a better manager than Bowyer & Powell, we were quite fortunate to land him.
I doubt Powell or Bowyer will ever gain a promotion again as a head coach/manager in all honesty. I can see Jones managing well into his old age, as it seems like an obsession to him, which we are reaping the rewards from currently.
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2) that is unfounded bollocks
Nathan Jones is a more proven manager than Lee Bowyer & Chris Powell, as he has achieved the exact same as them with a promotion in League 1, but also finished inside the play-offs in the Championship. He has also managed Premier League games, and has a win vs Pep Guardiola under his belt.
It's an undeniable fact that that Nathan Jones is the better manager. CV backs it up.9 -
Jones is our best manager since CurbsBraziliance said:
Quite a strong response no.. unfounded bollocks?paulsturgess said:
1) Wash your mouth outBraziliance said:I don't think there is anything wrong with not warming to him, he is a 'larger than life' type, and not everyone likes them.
I have personally always liked him, just hated how terrible we looked before the turnaround.
Going back to people saying he should have gone, or were concerned, their fears were right at the time. His track record outside of Luton was bad, and it was looking like he was going to struggle again.
Fortunately, he found a rhythm, and got a tune out of us, and the rest is history. I am just glad it worked out, because for me, he is undoubtedly a better manager than Bowyer & Powell, we were quite fortunate to land him.
I doubt Powell or Bowyer will ever gain a promotion again as a head coach/manager in all honesty. I can see Jones managing well into his old age, as it seems like an obsession to him, which we are reaping the rewards from currently.
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2) that is unfounded bollocks
Nathan Jones is a more proven manager than Lee Bowyer & Chris Powell, as he has achieved the exact same as them with a promotion in League 1, but also finished inside the play-offs in the Championship. He has also managed Premier League games, and has a win vs Pep Guardiola under his belt.
It's an undeniable fact that that Nathan Jones is the better manager. CV backs it up.8 -
I'm not sure. He backs his players 100%. The fact that he can sign so many players who played for him must say he is a good manager to work for. Brian Clough was very upfront with his opinions and people loved or hated him for that. We can see Jones is passionate but if you don't see it as often as we do, it is understandable people might find it annoying and think it is an act. He has grown on me but an important factor in that is he clearly knows what he is doing.aliwibble said:If he was my boss I'd probably hate him, because I do not respond well to being shouted at, but on the plus side it looks like you always know where you are with him, good or bad. Yeah, I don't love him like I did Chris Powell, but that's an incredibly high bar to get over. Curbs has mellowed in his old age, but back in the day he was definitely a tad prickly if not as outright spiky as Jones is. I said about 18months ago, he's mad as a box of frogs, but he's OUR mad box of frogs, and now it seems to be proving there's method in his madness. Hopefully, if it all goes a bit pearshaped at some point in the season, we can all manage not to drive each other nuts by being too kneejerk in response (both the fans and him) but I fear that may be a bit too much to hope for. Fingers crossed we can just carry on making steady progress for a while.3 -
People so quick to claim subjective things as factsBraziliance said:
Quite a strong response no.. unfounded bollocks?paulsturgess said:
1) Wash your mouth outBraziliance said:I don't think there is anything wrong with not warming to him, he is a 'larger than life' type, and not everyone likes them.
I have personally always liked him, just hated how terrible we looked before the turnaround.
Going back to people saying he should have gone, or were concerned, their fears were right at the time. His track record outside of Luton was bad, and it was looking like he was going to struggle again.
Fortunately, he found a rhythm, and got a tune out of us, and the rest is history. I am just glad it worked out, because for me, he is undoubtedly a better manager than Bowyer & Powell, we were quite fortunate to land him.
I doubt Powell or Bowyer will ever gain a promotion again as a head coach/manager in all honesty. I can see Jones managing well into his old age, as it seems like an obsession to him, which we are reaping the rewards from currently.
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2) that is unfounded bollocks
Nathan Jones is a more proven manager than Lee Bowyer & Chris Powell, as he has achieved the exact same as them with a promotion in League 1, but also finished inside the play-offs in the Championship. He has also managed Premier League games, and has a win vs Pep Guardiola under his belt.
It's an undeniable fact that that Nathan Jones is the better manager. CV backs it up.
Powell got us promoted with our record ever points tally in a very competitive division, then after promotion didn’t get to spend a penny on a player and still finished just 3 points off the play offs in the championship. If RD hadn’t stuck is oar in, I’m very confident the upward trajectory would have continued.The “managing games in the premier league” is nice for your LinkedIn CV but not relevant in reality as all it “proves” is that he stunk the place out hence why above many people are saying no prem club would go for him.Not digging at Jones and he has “undeniably” done very well with Luton and now with us, hope he gets us to the Prem - then maybe we can have another conversation! But stick more respect on Powell’s name. People are so quick to get carried away with recency bias these days, Powell did a truly amazing job for us, every bit as well or more than Jones has achieved to date, so don’t let the passing of time dilute that in your memory.
One final sentence I’ll leave you with:
Kermogant on a free.4 -
I'm the same, I think most normal people are. Sometimes I wonder how anyone can put up with Jones but, sad as it is, most footballers grow up on being shouted at by their coaches. 9 year old boys getting picked up by teams and yelled out through the age groups all the way up to the seniors by coaches who had the exact same treatment in their day is pretty standard. Jones was yelling at our youth team before he became a manager himself and I think most footballers are programmed by the time they break through to more or less only expect a bit of shouting. Jones is definitely madder than most but I think him backing it up offsets the extra shade of intensity, the shouting in general probably doesn't even registeraliwibble said:If he was my boss I'd probably hate him, because I do not respond well to being shouted at, but on the plus side it looks like you always know where you are with him, good or bad. Yeah, I don't love him like I did Chris Powell, but that's an incredibly high bar to get over. Curbs has mellowed in his old age, but back in the day he was definitely a tad prickly if not as outright spiky as Jones is. I said about 18months ago, he's mad as a box of frogs, but he's OUR mad box of frogs, and now it seems to be proving there's method in his madness. Hopefully, if it all goes a bit pearshaped at some point in the season, we can all manage not to drive each other nuts by being too kneejerk in response (both the fans and him) but I fear that may be a bit too much to hope for. Fingers crossed we can just carry on making steady progress for a while.2 -
He can't be that bad to work for because if he was then we wouldn't see so many of his ex-players re-signing for him.aliwibble said:If he was my boss I'd probably hate him, because I do not respond well to being shouted at, but on the plus side it looks like you always know where you are with him, good or bad. Yeah, I don't love him like I did Chris Powell, but that's an incredibly high bar to get over. Curbs has mellowed in his old age, but back in the day he was definitely a tad prickly if not as outright spiky as Jones is. I said about 18months ago, he's mad as a box of frogs, but he's OUR mad box of frogs, and now it seems to be proving there's method in his madness. Hopefully, if it all goes a bit pearshaped at some point in the season, we can all manage not to drive each other nuts by being too kneejerk in response (both the fans and him) but I fear that may be a bit too much to hope for. Fingers crossed we can just carry on making steady progress for a while.
I can see why some people (and certainly fans of other teams) don't like him as he is way over the top at times. Cast your minds back to the closing seconds of the Wycombe play off win, he got pelters online from fans of other clubs for his touchline antics in front of the cameras. But he's one of those guys who if he's with you then you love him, but if he's with the opposition you hate him. Kind of like a managerial version of Bruno Fernandes. United fans love him, everyone else thinks he's a prick.4 -
There was never a big love in with curbs, just a respect about how far he’d taken us and an appreciation for that, curbs could be a bit thorny with supporters as well, remember.I don’t want our manager to be well liked by everyone - Chris Powell was an anomaly - I want him to get results, which Nathan jones is doing.1
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We've got a very likeable crop of hard-working pros madeup of:
- former Jones players who wanted to play for him again
- new Jones signings who all seem to say talking to him was a big reason for signing
- promising (and trusted) Academy products who also sing his praises in interviews
That to me says more about NJ as a man and a manager that anything we see on the touchline or in his pressers.
My biggest worry about him at the moment is what happens when he leaves. The club's increasingly (and for the better) shaped in his image - how do we make sure that it doesn't all fall apart whenever he moves on, even if that's years from now? Very interested to see how the SLT evolves over the coming months and years.
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I was going to make a similar point, he can’t just shout at them all the time, the players seem to really like him on the face of it. We don’t see everything he does behind the scenes which I’m guessing is a quite different dynamic to what we see in the public eye. I may be giving him too much credit but by his public actions is he actually diverting some pressure off of the players and happy to soak it up himself? Also which doesn’t get mentioned or credited that much is the part Curtis Fleming plays in the big scheme of things I’d suggest a lot more than we realise.hermann said:We've got a very likeable crop of hard-working pros madeup of:
- former Jones players who wanted to play for him again
- new Jones signings who all seem to say talking to him was a big reason for signing
- promising (and trusted) Academy products who also sing his praises in interviews
That to me says more about NJ as a man and a manager that anything we see on the touchline or in his pressers.
My biggest worry about him at the moment is what happens when he leaves. The club's increasingly (and for the better) shaped in his image - how do we make sure that it doesn't all fall apart whenever he moves on, even if that's years from now? Very interested to see how the SLT evolves over the coming months and years.5 -
Make Hylton managerhermann said:We've got a very likeable crop of hard-working pros madeup of:
- former Jones players who wanted to play for him again
- new Jones signings who all seem to say talking to him was a big reason for signing
- promising (and trusted) Academy products who also sing his praises in interviews
That to me says more about NJ as a man and a manager that anything we see on the touchline or in his pressers.
My biggest worry about him at the moment is what happens when he leaves. The club's increasingly (and for the better) shaped in his image - how do we make sure that it doesn't all fall apart whenever he moves on, even if that's years from now? Very interested to see how the SLT evolves over the coming months and years.4 -
And if that doesn’t work, bring back Jacko.Henry Irving said:
Make Hylton managerhermann said:We've got a very likeable crop of hard-working pros madeup of:
- former Jones players who wanted to play for him again
- new Jones signings who all seem to say talking to him was a big reason for signing
- promising (and trusted) Academy products who also sing his praises in interviews
That to me says more about NJ as a man and a manager that anything we see on the touchline or in his pressers.
My biggest worry about him at the moment is what happens when he leaves. The club's increasingly (and for the better) shaped in his image - how do we make sure that it doesn't all fall apart whenever he moves on, even if that's years from now? Very interested to see how the SLT evolves over the coming months and years.1 -
Jackson is the best successor for me, hopefully this is years and years down the line though. But he plays a similar style of football and setup, which would be crucial for any new appointment, and has clearly developed loads since he was last with usScoham said:
And if that doesn’t work, bring back Jacko.Henry Irving said:
Make Hylton managerhermann said:We've got a very likeable crop of hard-working pros madeup of:
- former Jones players who wanted to play for him again
- new Jones signings who all seem to say talking to him was a big reason for signing
- promising (and trusted) Academy products who also sing his praises in interviews
That to me says more about NJ as a man and a manager that anything we see on the touchline or in his pressers.
My biggest worry about him at the moment is what happens when he leaves. The club's increasingly (and for the better) shaped in his image - how do we make sure that it doesn't all fall apart whenever he moves on, even if that's years from now? Very interested to see how the SLT evolves over the coming months and years.5 -
Jones needs players that both buy into his methods and are able to live with his undoubted passionate management style. He’s as daft as a brush on the touchline but he seems to be able to get a lot out of his players. He’s united the squad into more than the sum of its parts and brought the club and fan base back together. We had glimpses of that under Lee Bowyer and certainly under Chris Powell but both of those never had an ownership the fans trusted. It was uneasy at best. We are now in my opinion in the best place since Curbs was in charge. Long may it continue.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not sure. He backs his players 100%. The fact that he can sign so many players who played for him must say he is a good manager to work for. Brian Clough was very upfront with his opinions and people loved or hated him for that. We can see Jones is passionate but if you don't see it as often as we do, it is understandable people might find it annoying and think it is an act. He has grown on me but an important factor in that is he clearly knows what he is doing.aliwibble said:If he was my boss I'd probably hate him, because I do not respond well to being shouted at, but on the plus side it looks like you always know where you are with him, good or bad. Yeah, I don't love him like I did Chris Powell, but that's an incredibly high bar to get over. Curbs has mellowed in his old age, but back in the day he was definitely a tad prickly if not as outright spiky as Jones is. I said about 18months ago, he's mad as a box of frogs, but he's OUR mad box of frogs, and now it seems to be proving there's method in his madness. Hopefully, if it all goes a bit pearshaped at some point in the season, we can all manage not to drive each other nuts by being too kneejerk in response (both the fans and him) but I fear that may be a bit too much to hope for. Fingers crossed we can just carry on making steady progress for a while.1 -
Please email this to the club so they can use this when NJ tells us he wants a bigger job!Garrymanilow said:Jones will hopefully have learned that joining a club mid-season isn't really the thing for him. For all he saved us from relegation in 23/24 - and he did - that was a club that should have been pushing to get back to the Championship so it wasn't a hugely impressive feat finishing 16th. He improved things but he couldn't turn what we had into quality because the players and the mindset weren't aligned with him. He joined Saints and Stoke mid-season and never recovered from the fact there was already an established team, culture and mentality.At both clubs he could never overcome the player power, and that's not that surprising because the higher up you go the harder it is to shift the problem players out. At Charlton the players lacking the mentality or the talent were coming up to the end of their contracts anyway and if not were pretty easy to shift because of their low wages. At Stoke there were players apparently on £80k a week and players on more than that at Southampton in the Premier League. The manager is always going to lose out in those struggles and I think the best thing for Jones is to get hold of a club when it's lower down and it's more practical for him to impose his requirements on the place and then drag it up with him. Realisitically what high end Championship or struggling Premier League club is going to let him turf out all the players he doesn't think work hard enough in short order, probably taking a loss on their transfer fees and then buy 10+ players that he says he needs at a high level. At that point it's genuinely cheaper just to try and pay Mourinho to come in and somehow it causes less chaos.At the moment he's got full support from the board, the players he chose and a coaching setup that he wants after two years of hard graft. He's not going to be able to go to Fulham and convince them to let him sign Luke Berry to show Adama Traore how to train properly and turf out millions worth of talent to bring in some grafters to settle into 4 consecutive 0-0s before the good football starts to work its way in. What he's got right now is the best and only way he can show people what he's about, I think he'll recognise that rather than trying to skip ahead again. If he does get lured away I reckon within a year he'll be popping up at someone like Huddersfield and trying to restart the whole thing from scratch yet again.0 -
Nathan Jones. The Messiah. The Welsh Guardiola.Was in the pub last night with Big Dave, Little Dave, and Dave's cousin (also Dave), and we got talking about Nathan Jones. I says to them, I says, “Lads, if Nathan Jones walked into Wembley tomorrow, Gareth Southgate would spontaneously combust out of sheer inadequacy.”Big Dave nodded solemnly. “He’s got that look about him,” he said. “Like he’s just solved the energy crisis using Ramsey as a semi-conductor.”Little Dave piped up: “I heard he once motivated Luton so much they won the Super League Grand Final".I says, “I’d only want him to leave Charlton for one job. England manager. And even then, only if he’s allowed to manage us at the same time.”Dave’s cousin (also Dave) reckoned Jones doesn’t use tactics boards. He just stares at the players until they understand.We all agreed: Nathan Jones is the kind of man who could turn back 5 into a religious experience. He’s got the passion of Klopp, the intensity of Simeone, and the accent of a man who’s wrestled sheep for sport.If he ever leaves Charlton for anything less than the England job, I’ll chain myself to the Valley gates and sing “Valley Floyd Road” until the council evicts me.Nathan Jones. I’d let him manage my life. My finances. My marriage. My cholesterol.Up the Addicks. Up Nathan Jones. Down with anyone who doubts him.8
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I was onboard until … up Nathan jones, now I think he’s great and he’d probably be in the running to share my Mrs with sonny, but I wouldn’t go that far.1
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