I’m more than happy with that result expect a defeat Saturday, anything will be a bonus . The graft and determination is good to see , we’re no longer a joke club in league one where fake hard ons were had after a Johnny pizza trophy win . this is the real deal here , please no more pissing about in the lower echelons of the football league . I’m a football snob and we belong here and above !
I know it's early and I know the point feels a bit disappointing but how nice does this look?
Particularly as TC, Leaburn, Kelman, and Godden (granted he’s been out injured) haven’t notched a goal in the league, yet, I think it’s incredible, we are where we are.
If you can get your strikers scoring, we’d be a lot higher in the table, probably in the top 6.
If there all still on a low goals tally, maybe that’s where we need to invest in, in January?
I doubt we have budget left to be honest, even if we did can’t exactly carry 6 strikers on the books, we have 4 very young strikers have to trust in Jones to develop them
Would help if they got some service. Problem is our set up negates that. TC cant deliver a cross & isnt really a wide man either. Bree is about the only player who can put a decent ball in the box.....but not helped by having Kelman& TC trying to finish it off. Carlton Morris would thrive in this team.
Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the fact that we wont score many goals. Our defence is sound so shouldn't let in too many. Not a great watch tbh, but then we all wanted promotion and drawing away to Derby is a lot better than losing away to Burton....so it is what it is.
I think it's been a great watch golfie. We're 8th in the league, and have played some properly good football. And playing the Charlton way.
What are you expecting if you think it's not looked good mate?
It’s not a complaint because I’m very pleased to be out of League One (hopefully for many years) but I don’t see how you can find it ’great to watch.’ I think that you’re too influenced by results if that’s your opinion. We have our moments of beautiful play like the build up to our goal yesterday, but otherwise we’re a team that play long balls in possession and bite at the oppositions’ heels out of possession. It creates a game of lots of stops and starts and generally attritional football.
I’ve watched 4 games (Watford, Leicester, Millwall, Derby (all on TV so far)) and there is little entertainment. The best was probably Millwall in this respect imo. As a spectator the feeling is akin to how Kelman probably feels playing. That’s probably the best way of describing how I feel actually: if we played to Kelman’s strengths then we’d be playing more free flowing on the ground football which is better to watch.
That said, I just want us to stay up. If we did that by banging it 1000 miles into the air 60 times a match to get 0-0 draws, 46 points and stay up on GD then it would be job done for this and next season.
It's always a game of opinions, but I'd say the way we are going about our business in the championship is much better on the eye than the way we went about getting promotion last season, especially towards the end, and the play off games.
We had to grind out results at times.
We've evolved massively imho this season, and are playing a better tempo, with more dynamism and end product, be it without a big goal difference, against opposition that are so much more physical, so much more technical and very seasoned to this league and from the prem, with a good handful of clubs in this league being there recently.
The gap between L1 and the champ is Colossus. Saying there was little entertainment for the games you've watched, especially the Leicester game, is selling us well short. We're never going to play football like man City or the like, and we may be 'industrious' at times. That's the Charlton way. We pride ourselves to work harder than the opposition , with gulie and skill thrown in for good measure. We are a club of battlers, who make sure IF we are beaten, the opposition will know they have gone to hell and back to achieve that.
This is what Charlton are all about, we will also evolve and be become more fluent as the season progresses.
I'm sure to that we will have a period of losses, as teams learn to deal with us. It's par for the course.
However, we are, and always will be, a club that is greater than the sum of our parts.
These performances we are giving, have been widely commended and praised.
If you're not entertained, inclusive of the way we've conducted our journey back in the championship after many seasons away, I wonder what you're looking for, in us.
First half was tremendous, the keeper looked like he was going to fold any time he was under any kind of pressure, so it's a shame we didn't make more of that. Over the 90 mins a draw was a fair result though.
I know it's early and I know the point feels a bit disappointing but how nice does this look?
Particularly as TC, Leaburn, Kelman, and Godden (granted he’s been out injured) haven’t notched a goal in the league, yet, I think it’s incredible, we are where we are.
If you can get your strikers scoring, we’d be a lot higher in the table, probably in the top 6.
If there all still on a low goals tally, maybe that’s where we need to invest in, in January?
I doubt we have budget left to be honest, even if we did can’t exactly carry 6 strikers on the books, we have 4 very young strikers have to trust in Jones to develop them
Would help if they got some service. Problem is our set up negates that. TC cant deliver a cross & isnt really a wide man either. Bree is about the only player who can put a decent ball in the box.....but not helped by having Kelman& TC trying to finish it off. Carlton Morris would thrive in this team.
Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the fact that we wont score many goals. Our defence is sound so shouldn't let in too many. Not a great watch tbh, but then we all wanted promotion and drawing away to Derby is a lot better than losing away to Burton....so it is what it is.
I think it's been a great watch golfie. We're 8th in the league, and have played some properly good football. And playing the Charlton way.
What are you expecting if you think it's not looked good mate?
It’s not a complaint because I’m very pleased to be out of League One (hopefully for many years) but I don’t see how you can find it ’great to watch.’ I think that you’re too influenced by results if that’s your opinion. We have our moments of beautiful play like the build up to our goal yesterday, but otherwise we’re a team that play long balls in possession and bite at the oppositions’ heels out of possession. It creates a game of lots of stops and starts and generally attritional football.
I’ve watched 4 games (Watford, Leicester, Millwall, Derby (all on TV so far)) and there is little entertainment. The best was probably Millwall in this respect imo. As a spectator the feeling is akin to how Kelman probably feels playing. That’s probably the best way of describing how I feel actually: if we played to Kelman’s strengths then we’d be playing more free flowing on the ground football which is better to watch.
That said, I just want us to stay up. If we did that by banging it 1000 miles into the air 60 times a match to get 0-0 draws, 46 points and stay up on GD then it would be job done for this and next season.
I agree and think this was especially born out second half last night, as derby started to play slightly more flowing football and lots of ours looked tired. But I think we are very much a work in progress. Jones has a defence he can rely on, and now the midfield is getting stronger. I'm finding each game quite fascinating as we come up against varying levels of quality and it's all good experience to learn from. So far so good.
Weird night, Derby fans were very odd I thought outside the ground, you'd have thought they'd been relegated before kick-off. Not happy campers.
Managed to meet two of our players parents.
The first being none other than Carey's Dad. Someone was shouting at me "what a belter, you've been rumbled" from their car, assumed it was a Charlton fan but realised it was Sonny's Dad when he said "I just watched you online vlog my son's goal". Nice bloke
Then in the North stand Derby fan zone I ended up chatting to a group who I thought were Derby fans, who then revealed they were there to support Harvey Knibbs, two of the group later revealing they were his Mum & Dad, again, really nice people, especially Knibbsy's Mum.
As for the game, boring shite other than the Cheeseman's wonder slice. What a player.
Take the point away but disappointed not to get the win after Knibbs had such a clear cut chance, and Doch's later. Feel Preston will offer a much tougher test.
Also surprised to see negative comments about Agyemang, thought he looked a real handful and a player who could live up to his price tag. Thought we struggled physically for a change.
Matt Clarke as well, what a player, best centre back we have come up against so far this season, you can see why Brighton took a plunge those years back.
Not much to say for our boys, thought we looked tired, hopefully we look a bit more lively for Preston.
Weird night, Derby fans were very odd I thought outside the ground, you'd have thought they'd been relegated before kick-off. Not happy campers.
Managed to meet two of our players parents.
The first being none other than Carey's Dad. Someone was shouting at me "what a belter, you've been rumbled" from their car, assumed it was a Charlton fan but realised it was Sonny's Dad when he said "I just watched you online vlog my son's goal". Nice bloke
Then in the North stand Derby fan zone I ended up chatting to a group who I thought were Derby fans, who then revealed they were there to support Harvey Knibbs, two of the group later revealing they were his Mum & Dad, again, really nice people, especially Knibbsy's Mum.
As for the game, boring shite other than the Cheeseman's wonder slice. What a player.
Take the point away but disappointed not to get the win after Knibbs had such a clear cut chance, and Doch's later. Feel Preston will offer a much tougher test.
We must have been at a different game, both teams had chances to win it, crunching tackles all over the park. I thought it was a great game.
To be gutted with only getting a point away in the championship is a good sign of our progress. Agree that some of our players looked tired and thats hardly suprising following the shift they put in on Saturday. This weekend will be our most difficult game so far this season I think.
I like our style of football - close down from the front, work your bollox off, hunt in packs and don't dally about with it at the back - i barely watch what the opposition do but there's no way that Derby's football was any more sophisticated - lump it up to the big units up top or try and get down the wing and cross it in to them. Their most dangerous player was the fella who scored - he looked to have non league ability in general play.
Weird night, Derby fans were very odd I thought outside the ground, you'd have thought they'd been relegated before kick-off. Not happy campers.
Managed to meet two of our players parents.
The first being none other than Carey's Dad. Someone was shouting at me "what a belter, you've been rumbled" from their car, assumed it was a Charlton fan but realised it was Sonny's Dad when he said "I just watched you online vlog my son's goal". Nice bloke
Then in the North stand Derby fan zone I ended up chatting to a group who I thought were Derby fans, who then revealed they were there to support Harvey Knibbs, two of the group later revealing they were his Mum & Dad, again, really nice people, especially Knibbsy's Mum.
As for the game, boring shite other than the Cheeseman's wonder slice. What a player.
Take the point away but disappointed not to get the win after Knibbs had such a clear cut chance, and Doch's later. Feel Preston will offer a much tougher test.
We must have been at a different game, both teams had chances to win it, crunching tackles all over the park. I thought it was a great game.
You could say that about a League 2 fixture.
Was a low quality game, worst I've watched of the season so far, just how it goes sometimes.
Also surprised to see negative comments about Agyemang, thought he looked a real handful and a player who could live up to his price tag. Thought we struggled physically for a change.
Matt Clarke as well, what a player, best centre back we have come up against so far this season, you can see why Brighton took a plunge those years back.
Not much to say for our boys, thought we looked tired, hopefully we look a bit more lively for Preston.
I thought Jones did a brilliant job against Agyemang. Up against him and Morris that’s probably the toughest physical test we will have all season but we handled it pretty well. That’s only Agyemangs second start this season after returning from injury, I thought he was a real handful and will do very well at this level
I'm feeling more confident we have a good team at this level after the last few games, with our defensive strengths and fitness we should have enough to finish around mid table.
I do think there's more to come from us in possession, and we our strongest 11 should emerge as the season progresses. If we can become tidier in possession and more clinical we could do even better.
I'd like to see Apter get some time off the bench. We still don't know what JRC can offer us. There's got to be more to come from Knibbs too and I'd find a way to start getting Fullah involved - but after last night, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Berry that comes off the bench. With the way Docherty has stepped up, I wouldn't be surprised to see Berry come off the bench and grab a goal.
It'll be interesting to see how Hernandez is used and who NJ mainly sticks with in our back five, as there's a good case for all of them to be starting.
Up front there's still a big opportunity for any of our strikers to make the spots their own. So far, none of them are standing out in the final third.
I'm feeling more confident we have a good team at this level after the last few games, with our defensive strengths and fitness we should have enough to finish around mid table.
I do think there's more to come from us in possession, and we our strongest 11 should emerge as the season progresses. If we can become tidier in possession and more clinical we could do even better.
I'd like to see Apter get some time off the bench. We still don't know what JRC can offer us. There's got to be more to come from Knibbs too and I'd find a way to start getting Fullah involved - but after last night, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Berry that comes off the bench. With the way Docherty has stepped up, I wouldn't be surprised to see Berry come off the bench and grab a goal.
It'll be interesting to see how Hernandez is used and who NJ mainly sticks with in our back five, as there's a good case for all of them to be starting.
Up front there's still a big opportunity for any of our strikers to make the spots their own. So far, none of them are standing out in the final third.
Besides our front two and Ramsay/Burke think we’ve found our best XI. Could make an argument for JRC/Docherty purely because we haven’t seen what JRC can offer in the league. Defensively and out of possession were as close to perfect as you can realistically get without having ridiculous expectations. If we get better at taking our chances and find a front two that click I reckon a good chance we get playoffs 8 games in and we’ve had a chance to win every single one. Derby and QPR the only games we haven’t deserved to win and even then a point would have probably been fair for both games
Our goal was an excellent team goal, capped with an emphatic finish by Bree. Kelman's touch was sublime and I thought overall that this was his best game for us.
We lost momentum after our subs. Easy to say in hindsight, and I understand why Jones did it with games coming thick and fast, but I think we missed Carey's industry in particular. Knibbs looked good when he came on and did put his foot in, but Carey is carrying on in the Luke Berry mould of a "number 10" that gets all over the pitch and we missed his industry.
Ramsay is an excellent defender but somewhat limited going forwards. He's fine as a more full back but can't do the Small/Apter/Bree role, where the expectation is to operate as a winger when we are on the attack.
Disappointed with a draw as we should have taken advantage of being on top and got another goal before we allowed them back into it. But when the dust settles, another valuable point away from home.
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expect a defeat Saturday, anything will be a bonus .
The graft and determination is good to see , we’re no longer a joke club in league one where fake hard ons were had after a Johnny pizza trophy win .
this is the real deal here , please no more pissing about in the lower echelons of the football league .
I’m a football snob and we belong here and above !
We had to grind out results at times.
We've evolved massively imho this season, and are playing a better tempo, with more dynamism and end product, be it without a big goal difference, against opposition that are so much more physical, so much more technical and very seasoned to this league and from the prem, with a good handful of clubs in this league being there recently.
The gap between L1 and the champ is Colossus.
Saying there was little entertainment for the games you've watched, especially the Leicester game, is selling us well short.
We're never going to play football like man City or the like, and we may be 'industrious' at times. That's the Charlton way. We pride ourselves to work harder than the opposition , with gulie and skill thrown in for good measure. We are a club of battlers, who make sure IF we are beaten, the opposition will know they have gone to hell and back to achieve that.
This is what Charlton are all about, we will also evolve and be become more fluent as the season progresses.
I'm sure to that we will have a period of losses, as teams learn to deal with us. It's par for the course.
However, we are, and always will be, a club that is greater than the sum of our parts.
These performances we are giving, have been widely commended and praised.
If you're not entertained, inclusive of the way we've conducted our journey back in the championship after many seasons away, I wonder what you're looking for, in us.
Managed to meet two of our players parents.
The first being none other than Carey's Dad. Someone was shouting at me "what a belter, you've been rumbled" from their car, assumed it was a Charlton fan but realised it was Sonny's Dad when he said "I just watched you online vlog my son's goal". Nice bloke
Then in the North stand Derby fan zone I ended up chatting to a group who I thought were Derby fans, who then revealed they were there to support Harvey Knibbs, two of the group later revealing they were his Mum & Dad, again, really nice people, especially Knibbsy's Mum.
As for the game, boring shite other than the Cheeseman's wonder slice. What a player.
Take the point away but disappointed not to get the win after Knibbs had such a clear cut chance, and Doch's later. Feel Preston will offer a much tougher test.
Matt Clarke as well, what a player, best centre back we have come up against so far this season, you can see why Brighton took a plunge those years back.
Not much to say for our boys, thought we looked tired, hopefully we look a bit more lively for Preston.
I don’t know why Bree was taken off,
as we needed a striker in the second half and should not rely on one goal leads.!
Anti-Nowhere League.
Was a low quality game, worst I've watched of the season so far, just how it goes sometimes.
I do think there's more to come from us in possession, and we our strongest 11 should emerge as the season progresses. If we can become tidier in possession and more clinical we could do even better.
I'd like to see Apter get some time off the bench. We still don't know what JRC can offer us. There's got to be more to come from Knibbs too and I'd find a way to start getting Fullah involved - but after last night, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Berry that comes off the bench. With the way Docherty has stepped up, I wouldn't be surprised to see Berry come off the bench and grab a goal.
It'll be interesting to see how Hernandez is used and who NJ mainly sticks with in our back five, as there's a good case for all of them to be starting.
Up front there's still a big opportunity for any of our strikers to make the spots their own. So far, none of them are standing out in the final third.
Our goal was an excellent team goal, capped with an emphatic finish by Bree. Kelman's touch was sublime and I thought overall that this was his best game for us.
We lost momentum after our subs. Easy to say in hindsight, and I understand why Jones did it with games coming thick and fast, but I think we missed Carey's industry in particular. Knibbs looked good when he came on and did put his foot in, but Carey is carrying on in the Luke Berry mould of a "number 10" that gets all over the pitch and we missed his industry.
Ramsay is an excellent defender but somewhat limited going forwards. He's fine as a more full back but can't do the Small/Apter/Bree role, where the expectation is to operate as a winger when we are on the attack.
Disappointed with a draw as we should have taken advantage of being on top and got another goal before we allowed them back into it. But when the dust settles, another valuable point away from home.