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Matchday policing issues thread (Millwall 2025 onwards)
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PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:superclive98 said:Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:0
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Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!8
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I'd have been more impressed if the club had put out a statement on Saturday or Sunday acknowledging that there were serious crowd control issues that were being urgently investigated.
There's STILL nothing on the website, for example.6 -
YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!13
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fenaddick said:superclive98 said:Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:
When you hear that lessons have been learned from whatever organisation do you actually believe what is being said? Invariably, I don't.7 -
YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!2
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YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!0
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ElfsborgAddick said:YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!2
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JaShea99 said:DOUCHER said:its very simple - hold them in for half hour after the game then escort them to the station - thats it - nothing else needs to be done - the trust need to get all over this and make sure this nonsense doesn't happen again next year
There are cameras everywhere, if they smash stuff up it will lead to a ban, where there aren't cameras, fine Millwall.
Met officers have body cams for a reason and should be well equipped to deal with a handful of rowdy football fans.
The way it was handled was a joke, and simply wouldn't happen at the majority of other grounds. We are a victim of being too nice/well behaved collectively here. If we had a bit more about us (not saying that's right) they wouldn't dare keep us in as it would be more trouble than it's worth.
Our reputation as a family club precedes us and that is why the Met took the measures that they did.7 -
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killerandflash said:I'd have been more impressed if the club had put out a statement on Saturday or Sunday acknowledging that there were serious crowd control issues that were being urgently investigated.
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Arsenetatters said:killerandflash said:I'd have been more impressed if the club had put out a statement on Saturday or Sunday acknowledging that there were serious crowd control issues that were being urgently investigated.
There's STILL nothing on the website, for example.
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shirty5 said:Arsenetatters said:killerandflash said:I'd have been more impressed if the club had put out a statement on Saturday or Sunday acknowledging that there were serious crowd control issues that were being urgently investigated.
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ElfsborgAddick said:YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!
I’m sure there’s a job out there for you if you really want it @ElfsborgAddick 😉 🚂
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Weegie Addick said:Can people please email photos and first hand evidence to secretary@castrust.org and we will compile and raise with the club. Thank you. (Doesn’t matter if you’re a member or not)0
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TelMc32 said:ElfsborgAddick said:YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!
I’m sure there’s a job out there for you if you really want it @ElfsborgAddick 😉 🚂1 -
TelMc32 said:ElfsborgAddick said:YTS1978 said:Anyone else getting sponsored ads to join the British Transport Police on this thread?! If only the Met's policing was as good as their advertising!!!
I’m sure there’s a job out there for you if you really want it @ElfsborgAddick 😉 🚂1 -
Weegie Addick said:JohnnyH2 said:Kap10 said:valleynick66 said:Airman Brown said:Airman Brown said:valleynick66 said:JohnnyH2 said:valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
As an aside, I would like to see the fans represented when deciding on the security arrangements for games, maybe not in a decision making capacity but certainly in an advisory / consultative capacity.
If not what is the process for deciding on post match arrangements?0 -
Off_it said:Boom said:fenaddick said:Boom said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:valleynick66 said:Airman Brown said:Airman Brown said:valleynick66 said:JohnnyH2 said:valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
Yes they can go to live fan forums or do the occasional zoom meetings with fans and i'm sure they get tons of emails, but setting aside maybe 30-45 minutes a day to read a site like this is surely the easiest and convenient way to stay on top of what the fans think on anything, and then you can act accordingly.
So overall I'd guess that's about 5% of the total.
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aliwibble said:If I remember rightly, one of @Off_it's kids is a Lincoln fan. Is this another one of those intra-family spats like the occasional bouts if sibling rivalry that breaks out between Golfie, Large and JimmyMelrose?
And @Boom is part of the reason he started following them in the first place. Don't worry, he knows I like Lincoln really - it's a lovely little town with a great church on the hill. Obviously the people let the place down, but you can't have it all!
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Maybe if we get them in the FA Cup this season you'll be able to buy him a Charlton Lincoln half and half scarf from the stall opposite the club shop1
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Off_it said:aliwibble said:If I remember rightly, one of @Off_it's kids is a Lincoln fan. Is this another one of those intra-family spats like the occasional bouts if sibling rivalry that breaks out between Golfie, Large and JimmyMelrose?
And @Boom is part of the reason he started following them in the first place. Don't worry, he knows I like Lincoln really - it's a lovely little town with a great church on the hill. Obviously the people let the place down, but you can't have it all!
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YTS1978 said:Off_it said:aliwibble said:If I remember rightly, one of @Off_it's kids is a Lincoln fan. Is this another one of those intra-family spats like the occasional bouts if sibling rivalry that breaks out between Golfie, Large and JimmyMelrose?
And @Boom is part of the reason he started following them in the first place. Don't worry, he knows I like Lincoln really - it's a lovely little town with a great church on the hill. Obviously the people let the place down, but you can't have it all!
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Boom said:YTS1978 said:Off_it said:aliwibble said:If I remember rightly, one of @Off_it's kids is a Lincoln fan. Is this another one of those intra-family spats like the occasional bouts if sibling rivalry that breaks out between Golfie, Large and JimmyMelrose?
And @Boom is part of the reason he started following them in the first place. Don't worry, he knows I like Lincoln really - it's a lovely little town with a great church on the hill. Obviously the people let the place down, but you can't have it all!
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shirty5 said:Arsenetatters said:killerandflash said:I'd have been more impressed if the club had put out a statement on Saturday or Sunday acknowledging that there were serious crowd control issues that were being urgently investigated.
There's STILL nothing on the website, for example.
Sent back and no different to what I have already said on here0 -
I imagine the final words from the club will be that the final descision was from the police. The police will then say after discussions with the club.Passing the buck and no acceptance of the issues from either party.6
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ElfsborgAddick said:I imagine the final words from the club will be that the final descision was from the police. The police will then say after discussions with the club.Passing the buck and no acceptance of the issues from either party.2
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