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Matchday policing issues thread (Millwall 2025 onwards)
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It should be very easy for the Jimmy Seed. The only thing keeping fans in at Millwall is gates/ fencing similar to that which was left unlocked by the East Stand.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:Couple of questions from me about keeping fans in the away end for a while after the game.
Have we ever done it before with Millwall, or anyone else, how did that go?
The issues at the JS/Curbs gate ... this is a reminder that the JS is a vast site, east to west and fronts onto the pitch, and not particularly secure as we have now seen. I'm wondering if the size of the site and how secure exit points can be kept was a factor in a lock in not being chosen by police? At Millwall, from memory, there's little place to go and a lock in quite easy to control.0 -
Only just catching up with this thread so someone’s probably already made the point, but surely you can understand why they’d be reluctant to do this?DOUCHER said:its very simple - hold them in for half hour after the game then escort them to the station - thats it - nothing else needs to be done - the trust need to get all over this and make sure this nonsense doesn't happen again next year0 -
no i don't - let them out then, just don't hold us in or make us do a stupid long walk - whatever happens to them at every other ground in the country is what should happen - if they break a few seats or pop a few rivets out of some cladding , who gives a fuck? send them the bill - or let them out the same time - who cares - what is up with you or anybody else who thinks holding us in or sending us round the houses is the right thing to do ?JaShea99 said:
Only just catching up with this thread so someone’s probably already made the point, but surely you can understand why they’d be reluctant to do this?DOUCHER said:its very simple - hold them in for half hour after the game then escort them to the station - thats it - nothing else needs to be done - the trust need to get all over this and make sure this nonsense doesn't happen again next year8 -
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.0 -
So, there has to be two separate access points to each stand?sam3110 said:
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.
I think that I've attended enough grounds up and down the country to know that that doesn't happen.1 -
Amusingly, when I got home from a very pleasant evening out having a curry with my aunt who's over from the US, I found a leaflet for the new Met "engagement" website on the stairs to my flat, and it has a Contact Us page if you fancy expressing your concerns about Greenwich police's handling of the match:6
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Sure. Fans standing around having a chat with each other, is an 'Accident waiting to happen''? What do you suggest - You think if someone needs assistance, fellow fans won't help?Mendonca In Asdas said:
Might be worth emailing the picture to the Safety officer at the club, i can't remember who it is , or there email address.AFKABartram said:One thing not mentioned in the CAST letter is around stewarding numbers. As mentioned on the other thread, there doesn't seem to be a single difference in the AC Stand between barely attended midweek L1 games and a near full Champ risk game like Saturday where there is a high likelihood of away fans acquiring side stand tickets. No SIA response staff and just the standard number of block entrance ‘greeters’ within the seat section.I just looked at one of the pics my son took at half time which shows half the concourse and it made me realise there is never ever even a single steward on the concourse at half time. You can see from the below how busy it is, and that’s the same for pretty much every game. If an incident happened there at half time, or even someone was taken ill it would need someone to go back in the stand and alert a steward, not easy in that level of busyness. I suspect the West Lower concourse would be the same.
But it should be on the clubs website, i know its hassle, but looks like an accident waiting to happen, by the looks of it.0 -
I've always thought that if i ran a football club or was in a management position, then reading the fan forums would be a no brainer and exactly the thing to do to keep on top of opinions, thoughts etc.valleynick66 said:
Good to hear.Airman Brown said:
I think it’s only fair to report that as a result of this post, Gavin has now responded to the person who wrote to him.Airman Brown said:
A well respected former staff member recently wrote to Gavin Carter with a goodwill message and a friendly offer to discuss something to help the club on the basis of their many years of experience. They didn’t want anything in return.valleynick66 said:
As I said I don’t like it but there is a logic to it.JohnnyH2 said:
And everything you have posted was said after the game in 2013 when pretty much the same arrangements were used.valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
Yes they can go to live fan forums or do the occasional zoom meetings with fans and i'm sure they get tons of emails, but setting aside maybe 30-45 minutes a day to read a site like this is surely the easiest and convenient way to stay on top of what the fans think on anything, and then you can act accordingly.3 -
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Out of interest @Weegie_Addick when was the last Safety Advisory Group meeting?Weegie Addick said:
A CAST board member attends and inputs to the Safety Advisory Group. This is not a club committee.JohnnyH2 said:
We used to have a fans rep on the Safety Committee, anyone know if this still occurs?Kap10 said:
Maybe the Club are gathering all the facts and investigating if, in their opinion, anything went wrong and if so what was it, where did the responsibility lie and steps for the future, before responding. IF that is the case then they should at least let fans know and give a time frame for a full response.valleynick66 said:
Good to hear.Airman Brown said:
I think it’s only fair to report that as a result of this post, Gavin has now responded to the person who wrote to him.Airman Brown said:
A well respected former staff member recently wrote to Gavin Carter with a goodwill message and a friendly offer to discuss something to help the club on the basis of their many years of experience. They didn’t want anything in return.valleynick66 said:
As I said I don’t like it but there is a logic to it.JohnnyH2 said:
And everything you have posted was said after the game in 2013 when pretty much the same arrangements were used.valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
As an aside, I would like to see the fans represented when deciding on the security arrangements for games, maybe not in a decision making capacity but certainly in an advisory / consultative capacity.2 - Sponsored links:
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There has to be a secondary escape route. In some cases that will be on to the pitch.superclive98 said:
So, there has to be two separate access points to each stand?sam3110 said:
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.
I think that I've attended enough grounds up and down the country to know that that doesn't happen.0 -
Airman Brown said:
There has to be a secondary escape route. In some cases that will be on to the pitch.superclive98 said:
So, there has to be two separate access points to each stand?sam3110 said:
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.
I think that I've attended enough grounds up and down the country to know that that doesn't happen.
So on that basis I would have thought it would have been okay to have had the other gate padlocked.
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Our Chairman and CEO clearly read the main Lincoln forum as they post every so often - normally to correct fans who have posted a load of old guff and trotted it out as fact (wouldn't happen on here I know...). The wider comms team have also started posting ticket details etc on the forum.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I've always thought that if i ran a football club or was in a management position, then reading the fan forums would be a no brainer and exactly the thing to do to keep on top of opinions, thoughts etc.valleynick66 said:
Good to hear.Airman Brown said:
I think it’s only fair to report that as a result of this post, Gavin has now responded to the person who wrote to him.Airman Brown said:
A well respected former staff member recently wrote to Gavin Carter with a goodwill message and a friendly offer to discuss something to help the club on the basis of their many years of experience. They didn’t want anything in return.valleynick66 said:
As I said I don’t like it but there is a logic to it.JohnnyH2 said:
And everything you have posted was said after the game in 2013 when pretty much the same arrangements were used.valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
Yes they can go to live fan forums or do the occasional zoom meetings with fans and i'm sure they get tons of emails, but setting aside maybe 30-45 minutes a day to read a site like this is surely the easiest and convenient way to stay on top of what the fans think on anything, and then you can act accordingly.1 -
Fixed that for you.ElfsborgAddick said:Airman Brown said:
There has to be a secondary escape route. In some cases that will be on to the pitch.superclive98 said:
So, there has to be two separate access points to each stand?sam3110 said:
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.
I think that I've attended enough grounds up and down the country to know that that doesn't happen.
So on that basis I would have thought it would have been okay to have had the other gate padlocked and electrified, with a moat and machinegun tower installed.4 -
How does that go down? Does it just create another avenue for people to voice their displeasure or are people generally happy that the club have taken an extra step to communicate?Boom said:
Our Chairman and CEO clearly read the main Lincoln forum as they post every so often - normally to correct fans who have posted a load of old guff and trotted it out as fact (wouldn't happen on here I know...). The wider comms team have also started posting ticket details etc on the forum.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I've always thought that if i ran a football club or was in a management position, then reading the fan forums would be a no brainer and exactly the thing to do to keep on top of opinions, thoughts etc.valleynick66 said:
Good to hear.Airman Brown said:
I think it’s only fair to report that as a result of this post, Gavin has now responded to the person who wrote to him.Airman Brown said:
A well respected former staff member recently wrote to Gavin Carter with a goodwill message and a friendly offer to discuss something to help the club on the basis of their many years of experience. They didn’t want anything in return.valleynick66 said:
As I said I don’t like it but there is a logic to it.JohnnyH2 said:
And everything you have posted was said after the game in 2013 when pretty much the same arrangements were used.valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
Yes they can go to live fan forums or do the occasional zoom meetings with fans and i'm sure they get tons of emails, but setting aside maybe 30-45 minutes a day to read a site like this is surely the easiest and convenient way to stay on top of what the fans think on anything, and then you can act accordingly.0 -
Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:
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Goes down v well. Posters appreciate them taking the time to engage. Don't normally get anyone having a pop (there's always a couple of helmets of course)fenaddick said:
How does that go down? Does it just create another avenue for people to voice their displeasure or are people generally happy that the club have taken an extra step to communicate?Boom said:
Our Chairman and CEO clearly read the main Lincoln forum as they post every so often - normally to correct fans who have posted a load of old guff and trotted it out as fact (wouldn't happen on here I know...). The wider comms team have also started posting ticket details etc on the forum.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I've always thought that if i ran a football club or was in a management position, then reading the fan forums would be a no brainer and exactly the thing to do to keep on top of opinions, thoughts etc.valleynick66 said:
Good to hear.Airman Brown said:
I think it’s only fair to report that as a result of this post, Gavin has now responded to the person who wrote to him.Airman Brown said:
A well respected former staff member recently wrote to Gavin Carter with a goodwill message and a friendly offer to discuss something to help the club on the basis of their many years of experience. They didn’t want anything in return.valleynick66 said:
As I said I don’t like it but there is a logic to it.JohnnyH2 said:
And everything you have posted was said after the game in 2013 when pretty much the same arrangements were used.valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
Yes they can go to live fan forums or do the occasional zoom meetings with fans and i'm sure they get tons of emails, but setting aside maybe 30-45 minutes a day to read a site like this is surely the easiest and convenient way to stay on top of what the fans think on anything, and then you can act accordingly.4 -
Perfect timing, a good survey, but be warned it is very long.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/efl-supporters-survey-202526-have-your-say0 -
CAST have also written to the police
https://www.castrust.org/2025/09/police-management-of-millwall-match/
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Millwall fans' escape route of choice.Airman Brown said:
There has to be a secondary escape route. In some cases that will be on to the pitch.superclive98 said:
So, there has to be two separate access points to each stand?sam3110 said:
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.
I think that I've attended enough grounds up and down the country to know that that doesn't happen.4 -
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:10 -
I get the cynicism but what else do you actually expect them to say? They have to acknowledge mistakes somehowsuperclive98 said:
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:0 -
The problem is that this has happened before, so the lessons have obviously been forgotten.fenaddick said:
I get the cynicism but what else do you actually expect them to say? They have to acknowledge mistakes somehowsuperclive98 said:
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:17 -
Which is why I understand the cynicism but my questions stands, what else do you actually expect them to say?PragueAddick said:
The problem is that this has happened before, so the lessons have obviously been forgotten.fenaddick said:
I get the cynicism but what else do you actually expect them to say? They have to acknowledge mistakes somehowsuperclive98 said:
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:0 -
“ we will request a meeting with the Police to fully review the issues raised by supporters and agree a plan for future games with Millwall which ensures our fans safety and comfort is prioritised”.fenaddick said:
Which is why I understand the cynicism but my questions stands, what else do you actually expect them to say?PragueAddick said:
The problem is that this has happened before, so the lessons have obviously been forgotten.fenaddick said:
I get the cynicism but what else do you actually expect them to say? They have to acknowledge mistakes somehowsuperclive98 said:
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:20 -
Perfectly fair but maybe they’re waiting to respond to CAST’s letter like that when they know the response will be made publicPragueAddick said:
“ we will request a meeting with the Police to fully review the issues raised by supporters and agree a plan for future games with Millwall which ensures our fans safety and comfort is prioritised”.fenaddick said:
Which is why I understand the cynicism but my questions stands, what else do you actually expect them to say?PragueAddick said:
The problem is that this has happened before, so the lessons have obviously been forgotten.fenaddick said:
I get the cynicism but what else do you actually expect them to say? They have to acknowledge mistakes somehowsuperclive98 said:
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:0 -
I'd expect them to say that they are going to talk to the police about not keeping Millwall fan's behind after the game and try to convince them that they should.fenaddick said:
Which is why I understand the cynicism but my questions stands, what else do you actually expect them to say?PragueAddick said:
The problem is that this has happened before, so the lessons have obviously been forgotten.fenaddick said:
I get the cynicism but what else do you actually expect them to say? They have to acknowledge mistakes somehowsuperclive98 said:
The very predictable "lessons have been learned" line being rolled out.Uboat said:Just had this back from the club, following my email at the weekend:4 -
No, because the escape routes are designated and take into account feasibility, for example the pitch isn’t an option from the AC Stand because the height of the toe bar precludes it as a safe route. You couldn’t easily access the pitch from the upper tier of the JS Stand.ElfsborgAddick said:Airman Brown said:
There has to be a secondary escape route. In some cases that will be on to the pitch.superclive98 said:
So, there has to be two separate access points to each stand?sam3110 said:
Moot point, it has to be unlocked.superclive98 said:
So you think that an unlocked gate between home and away fans is sufficient then?sam3110 said:
Jesus Christ, bring back the fencing in front of the away fans and packing them into the stands no matter the capacity then eh?superclive98 said:
Not much chance of the Jimmy Seed Stand catching fire.fenaddick said:
Or being trapped in a burning stand because the gate can't be open and there's only one exit on the other side. The segregation issue is easy, you don't need to lock the gate you just need to actually segregatesuperclive98 said:
Is this just health and safety gone mad?CAFCTrev said:
As per previous comments, a lot of the gates around the Valley cant be fully locked due to safety/evacuation concerns.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Wow
wtf was the stewards thinking not locking the gate and why wasnt it manned by more aswell as police🤦🏻♂️
Surely the biggest risk to health and safety is a potentially dangerous and supposedly segregated football crowd not actually being segregated?
You do realise that what you are suggesting would cost money.
I think that I've attended enough grounds up and down the country to know that that doesn't happen.
So on that basis I would have thought it would have been okay to have had the other gate padlocked.1 -
Bearing in mind though, that the people posting on your website represent those within the fanbase who, a) know what the internet is, b) have internet access, c) can read/write, and d) aren't currently eating a turnip.Boom said:
Goes down v well. Posters appreciate them taking the time to engage. Don't normally get anyone having a pop (there's always a couple of helmets of course)fenaddick said:
How does that go down? Does it just create another avenue for people to voice their displeasure or are people generally happy that the club have taken an extra step to communicate?Boom said:
Our Chairman and CEO clearly read the main Lincoln forum as they post every so often - normally to correct fans who have posted a load of old guff and trotted it out as fact (wouldn't happen on here I know...). The wider comms team have also started posting ticket details etc on the forum.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I've always thought that if i ran a football club or was in a management position, then reading the fan forums would be a no brainer and exactly the thing to do to keep on top of opinions, thoughts etc.valleynick66 said:
Good to hear.Airman Brown said:
I think it’s only fair to report that as a result of this post, Gavin has now responded to the person who wrote to him.Airman Brown said:
A well respected former staff member recently wrote to Gavin Carter with a goodwill message and a friendly offer to discuss something to help the club on the basis of their many years of experience. They didn’t want anything in return.valleynick66 said:
As I said I don’t like it but there is a logic to it.JohnnyH2 said:
And everything you have posted was said after the game in 2013 when pretty much the same arrangements were used.valleynick66 said:I think with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting.I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call.We don’t like it and consider it unfair but it’s not without any safety merit.
What can’t be defended however is the associated club comms, marshalling/announcements post game and not limiting vehicle access in Charlton Lane ie the implementation of it.The Sam Bartram gate / steps fighting I think is likely to be a ‘hands up we got that wrong’ issue as never really seen before to my knowledge.I’d expect (sadly) a similar arrangement next time with a commitment to handle it better.
And as shown by Saturday and the lack of comms before during and after from our club, nothing has changed in how our own supporters were treated at our groundThe corporate knowledge by police and club is lost over the passage of time.But of course not by fans who have no input it seems despite the club statements to the contrary on ‘engagement’ and other such guff!Fair enough if the club isn’t interested in their view, but they didn’t even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement to say thanks but no thanks.
And no, it wasn’t me.Interesting that GC reads this site / is made aware I guess.Strange also then no comms on the wider subject.
Yes they can go to live fan forums or do the occasional zoom meetings with fans and i'm sure they get tons of emails, but setting aside maybe 30-45 minutes a day to read a site like this is surely the easiest and convenient way to stay on top of what the fans think on anything, and then you can act accordingly.
So overall I'd guess that's about 5% of the total.
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