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Matchday policing issues thread (Millwall 2025 onwards)
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But it shouldn't be inevitable. If it is then home fans only. Far too much letting Millwall be Millwall and fuck everyone one else.MrOneLung said:Ok. Here’s the OneLung blueprint for the next home game versus the vermin
1 - only give them upper tier
2 - keep Millwall behind for 40 mins
3 - let them kick off amongst themselves
4 - bill Millwall for the inevitable repairs required.QED
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I don’t think it’s a relevant response and it will just encourage them to buy in home stands. The police made a judgement that containing the Millwall fans would lead to disorder and criminal damage, and that inconveniencing the majority of fans was the better option. They will point to outcomes, but I think they were wrong, their execution was inept and the problem was compounded by the club’s failure to communicate the situation, as well as to protect an obvious vulnerability.PragueAddick said:
So, what’s your view on the idea of limiting Spanner allocation in future, as one of the possible measures to stop yesterday happening again? Good, or not, and with price increase or not?Airman Brown said:
It’s a well known EFL rule. The Millwall tickets were £30, not £35 as some have said, for this reason.PragueAddick said:
Why? Some regulation I am not aware of? If so, is that happening today at St Mary’s?fenaddick said:
You’d have to charge the CE Lower 30% more tooPragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.Cheapest adult tickets (outside family area) at Southampton today were £40. They are charging £30 for Middlesbrough, so that tallies with a one third uplift.
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It's almost as if the police are encouraging Charlton fans to cause more trouble, as that appears to be the only way to receive any consideration.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think it’s a relevant response and it will just encourage them to buy in home stands. The police made a judgement that containing the Millwall fans would lead to disorder and criminal damage, and that inconveniencing the majority of fans was the better option. They will point to outcomes, but I think they were wrong, their execution was inept and the problem was compounded by the club’s failure to communicate the situation, as well as to protect an obvious vulnerability.PragueAddick said:
So, what’s your view on the idea of limiting Spanner allocation in future, as one of the possible measures to stop yesterday happening again? Good, or not, and with price increase or not?Airman Brown said:
It’s a well known EFL rule. The Millwall tickets were £30, not £35 as some have said, for this reason.PragueAddick said:
Why? Some regulation I am not aware of? If so, is that happening today at St Mary’s?fenaddick said:
You’d have to charge the CE Lower 30% more tooPragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.Cheapest adult tickets (outside family area) at Southampton today were £40. They are charging £30 for Middlesbrough, so that tallies with a one third uplift.1 -
So what?iainment said:I got the 177 from Plumstead. Met my wife, who walked, outside the club shop. Went in and at the end left. Walked with thousands up to Maryon Wilson Park. Got the bus, went to the Herbert and then for a curry. Home at 8.
My only issue that the way to the bus on the lower road was blocked by plod.
Im lucky I guess.5 -
It's what I was thinking.charltonnick said:The club really needs to restrict the Millwall allocation if we play them again next season. 1500 max
If you can't control them without having to massively inconvenience and mistreat home fans then restrict their numbers exactly as they have done with us going to the New Den.1 -
1 - give them the whole west stand on £5 tickets
2 - keep them behind for 40 mins
3 - let them kick off amongst themselves
4 - bill Millwall for the inevitable repairs required.
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Handrails in the Curbs Stand - whoope doo.Weegie Addick said:There is a more constructive relationship with the club than there has been for years - virtually since CAST was set up in 2012. That’s a good thing and has resulted in many positive actions eg the handrails in the Curbs stand and improved F&B service - albeit still plenty of room for further improvement.There is no “cosy relationship” and we take our responsibilities to represent fans and raise issues completely seriously. None of the CAST board receive any hospitality or perks from the club, despite what some would have you believe. Instead we put in hours of volunteer work. As Fen says, stand for the board. Or offer your help as a volunteer.
I have to be honest and say I missed the fans campaigning for handrails.
Sorry, I'm a member but jeez,9 -
Having frequently helped my parents down 3 rows of the stand with some difficulty, handrails would have been really useful.Covered End said:
Handrails in the Curbs Stand - whoppe doo.Weegie Addick said:There is a more constructive relationship with the club than there has been for years - virtually since CAST was set up in 2012. That’s a good thing and has resulted in many positive actions eg the handrails in the Curbs stand and improved F&B service - albeit still plenty of room for further improvement.There is no “cosy relationship” and we take our responsibilities to represent fans and raise issues completely seriously. None of the CAST board receive any hospitality or perks from the club, despite what some would have you believe. Instead we put in hours of volunteer work. As Fen says, stand for the board. Or offer your help as a volunteer.
I have to be honest and say I missed the fans campaigning for handrails.
Sorry, I'm a member but jeez,
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We stayed in the AC stand until it was empty and there were still more supporters hanging around in and behind the JS stand. If you are party to greatly inconveniencing your own fans by making them wait until visiting supporters are clear of the area/station then at least do something to encourage them on their way. If they had then perhaps the JS/AC gate issue would not have arisen.3
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I thought I heard a police office say that the person in charge was "Commander Boswell". Equally a young officer a few feet away claimed to not have a clue who was in charge.2
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At the station, just before the gate to the Kent-bound platform, an employee was helpfully, I think, announcing info about the train arriving etc. I couldn't say for sure because she was pointing her megaphone to the sky !0
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Too much overthinking.
You simply do what 91 other clubs do in these circumstances & keep the away fans behind for 20 mins or so. Its not fucking rocket science.
And sorry, the OB dont get to tell us what they want us to do. They dont with the other 91 clubs.
We are too passive as a club.17 -
Think the concern would be if we won yesterday we would then hold them up as we would be lapping it up etc.
it makes the police’s job a lot harder for me as I said north upper walked to the fan zone had 2 pints with my mates and then walked up the normal route to station and got on train to Blackheath with a rousing rendition of the national anthem.Got to Blackheath went to the crown and it was full of them but honestly not too many pricks in general a draw suits both.Do think when we play over there will be a lot of kicking off.1 -
I would genuinely let everyone out at the same time. And I mean it. Fuck em. Load wannabe pricks living up to a long dead firm and reputation. The sort of cap wearing smug pricks that think by saying the’re Wall makes them invincible.Sad c***s. Literally nothing to be scared of. The fear of these pricks is worse than losing to them half of the time1
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Except they do. The question is why the commander here decided to do this. There is no way the club can decide to keep them in against the police deciding otherwise.golfaddick said:Too much overthinking.
You simply do what 91 other clubs do in these circumstances & keep the away fans behind for 20 mins or so. Its not fucking rocket science.
And sorry, the OB dont get to tell us what they want us to do. They dont with the other 91 clubs.
We are too passive as a club.4 -
I probably don't have to say this, but not everybody goes to football looking for a punch up 🙄Greenhithe said:I would genuinely let everyone out at the same time. And I mean it. Fuck em. Load wannabe pricks living up to a long dead firm and reputation. The sort of cap wearing smug pricks that think by saying the’re Wall makes them invincible.Sad c***s. Literally nothing to be scared of. The fear of these pricks is worse than losing to them half of the time6 -
Keep them back for an hour and let it be known before their tickets go on sale.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.2 -
Be careful what you wish for!
Most sensible "non football people" would simply suggest playing games like this behind closed doors as the most obvious solution.
This would save the "ordinary taxpayer" the cost of policing outside the ground and prevent danger to everyone else in the area.
No other company would be allowed to stage an event or festival where the organisers accept violence is inevitable. Why is football any different?0 -
6 - Fire bomb the bus.LoOkOuT said:1 - give them the whole west stand on £5 tickets
2 - keep them behind for 40 mins
3 - let them kick off amongst themselves
4 - bill Millwall for the inevitable repairs required.
5 - bus them to crimea0 -
Not even a yearly west London event?5
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Do we know if Southampton fans had to pay this for the equivalent seats in the home area. There used to be a rule that seat pricing between equivalent seats Home and Away had to match.PragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
Sorry seen this has been answered earlier0 -
I stayed in a Hotel like that once, ... in fact I'm still there!Airman Brown said:
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave…JohnnyH2 said:
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on FridayAirman Brown said:
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!JohnnyH2 said:
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.PragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us1 -
People who keep saying the club should ignore the police advice/instructions would be risking the clubs public insurance liability policy. The insurance companies are always look out for reasons not to pay up.0
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it took me treble the time to get home - just because the Millwall scum cant behave.
Will not bother of we play them again.1 -
Been offshored to BangaloreKBslittlesis said:
Each club in London has a dedicated team. They used to be based locally and it was 100% the only job they did. But it was centralised years ago and moved up to the old NSY. No idea where the football policing unit is based now.Markg2004 said:Police will do what is easier. Always have done.
There is no accountability. That's what is looks like anyway.
Any result other than a loss for Millwall and they were never going to be quick to leave. That is obvious.
Who decided the arrangement, local police at Greenwich or a higher up in the Met?
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I think it would amount to unlawful detention.msomerton said:People who keep saying the club should ignore the police advice/instructions would be risking the clubs public insurance liability policy. The insurance companies are always look out for reasons not to pay up.0 -
The minimum adult admission price for home fans was £40.Kap10 said:
Do we know if Southampton fans had to pay this for the equivalent seats in the home area. There used to be a rule that seat pricing between equivalent seats Home and Away had to match.PragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.0 -
Which is what the away fans were charged so not sure where the 30% more figure has come from, presume it was just a higher category game like yesterday was for usAirman Brown said:
The minimum adult admission price for home fans was £40.Kap10 said:
Do we know if Southampton fans had to pay this for the equivalent seats in the home area. There used to be a rule that seat pricing between equivalent seats Home and Away had to match.PragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.0 -
Unfortunately I think a lot of the older supporters will give it the elbow.BigDiddy said:it took me treble the time to get home - just because the Millwall scum cant behave.
Will not bother of we play them again.3 -
They are charging £30 for Middlesbrough, so that’s where.fenaddick said:
Which is what the away fans were charged so not sure where the 30% more figure has come from, presume it was just a higher category game like yesterday was for usAirman Brown said:
The minimum adult admission price for home fans was £40.Kap10 said:
Do we know if Southampton fans had to pay this for the equivalent seats in the home area. There used to be a rule that seat pricing between equivalent seats Home and Away had to match.PragueAddick said:
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.blackpool72 said:Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season.
So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season.
Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.1
