Put this in another thread but adding it here for the record / CAST rep:
Unfortunately I was at the bottom of those stairs with my eight year old son and his friend as that gate opened. There was a panic and people tried to run… like when someone gets shot. I grabbed their hands said ‘we’ll be fine but hold my hand and let’s walk up the stairs quickly’. I looked straight ahead but my son looked back and said he saw a group on Millwall fans attacking a single Charlton fan, and that he felt really sorry for that fan.
He was petrified and is still distraught now. Wouldn’t let me leave his room at bed time.
Can’t lie, I’m fucking furious and will be making a complaint.
And despite it kicking off NO POLICE turned up.
Gross negligence in their operations yesterday, Plenty of police at the ground, but very poorly allocated.
The supporters trust is a good and worthwhile organisation, run by volunteers. Any critics would I am sure be welcome to join, to stand or volunteer for any office, and do things better. The trust can only hope to influence, not control.
It's also a democratically run organisation. As a paid up member if I have an issue I should be allowed to raise it in a forum that is meant to be about our football club.
Absolutely. Nobody would deny you the right to raise issues. Has something happened that has denied you the right to raise something? A good reminder that it is indeed a democratically run organisation ‘staffed’ by volunteers.
People claiming we'll not sell less tickets as we'll miss out on the matchday revenue, selling 1000 less tickets at £35 each (and some of them will be seniors and unders so the actual amount is less than that) will probably be mitigated by 1000 more Charlton fans turning up if they've been assured that there will be less Millwall fans in attendance and they'll be held back 30 minutes after the game
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on Friday
You mean me, so why not say so?. And I wasnt “in the know” obviously. So what? So Kav is no longer there. Does it mean that suddenly the two clubs have declared all out war on each other? All I was suggesting (not “claiming”) is that if the club wanted to do it with Millwall like Saints are doing with Pompey they could hike the prices but try to persuade Millwall that its the only fair way to keep their lout element under control. What the fuck is wrong with suggesting that on here? Got any better ideas?
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
You’d have to charge the CE Lower 30% more too
Why? Some regulation I am not aware of? If so, is that happening today at St Mary’s?
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
You’d have to charge the CE Lower 30% more too
Why? Some regulation I am not aware of? If so, is that happening today at St Mary’s?
It’s a well known EFL rule. The Millwall tickets were £30, not £35 as some have said, for this reason.
Cheapest adult tickets (outside family area) at Southampton today were £40. They are charging £30 for Middlesbrough, so that tallies with a one third uplift.
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
You’d have to charge the CE Lower 30% more too
Why? Some regulation I am not aware of? If so, is that happening today at St Mary’s?
You have to charge away fans the price of the equivalent seat in the home end. No idea what’s happening at St Mary’s but wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a regulation about being able to pass on increased police costs or maybe they’re being charged for the coach too
Not into that sort of shit myself, but I think Charlton surprised Millwall all over the place today. Whatever floats your boat i guess. Had a couple of pints in the oak post match and walked up Floyd Road to the station. Fella on the platform said a couple of groups were going at it outside the fans bar. But not a copper in sight!
The spanner probably jumped the queue and got served without waiting.
Probably still had to wait about 10mins to get a beer!
Not yesterday. Place was packed and service was brilliant.
Bubble games are a bit silly in this modern world where people don’t live in the local area of the club they support anyway
Not really the case for one club cities, hence why they are used for south coast, south Wales, and Chester v Wrexham.
Our game is incomparable to the level of aggro you'd get at these fixtures anyway.
It’s a well documented issue for the south Wales one that you end up with a large % of the away fans going past the actual match get to their home stadium and then having to do it again. It’s farcical
Remember being held back as an away suppoter for upto an hour, at a few grounds back in the 90's. Stamford Bridge and Hillsborough both spring to mind. It was always at least 20 minutes, apart from Bolton that time.....
Bubble games are a bit silly in this modern world where people don’t live in the local area of the club they support anyway
Not really the case for one club cities, hence why they are used for south coast, south Wales, and Chester v Wrexham.
Our game is incomparable to the level of aggro you'd get at these fixtures anyway.
It’s a well documented issue for the south Wales one that you end up with a large % of the away fans going past the actual match get to their home stadium and then having to do it again. It’s farcical
A large %? Sorry but I don't believe that. There's no chance the majority of Swansea/Cardiff fans aren't living nearer their own city.
The supporters trust is a good and worthwhile organisation, run by volunteers. Any critics would I am sure be welcome to join, to stand or volunteer for any office, and do things better. The trust can only hope to influence, not control.
It's also a democratically run organisation. As a paid up member if I have an issue I should be allowed to raise it in a forum that is meant to be about our football club.
Absolutely. Nobody would deny you the right to raise issues. Has something happened that has denied you the right to raise something? A good reminder that it is indeed a democratically run organisation ‘staffed’ by volunteers.
Sure has, a previous Chair when I was talking about KM at an AGM I was told "you still going on".
Yes I was going on about an incompetent CEO for Charlton at a Charlton Supporters Trust meeting
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on Friday
You mean me, so why not say so?. And I wasnt “in the know” obviously. So what? So Kav is no longer there. Does it mean that suddenly the two clubs have declared all out war on each other? All I was suggesting (not “claiming”) is that if the club wanted to do it with Millwall like Saints are doing with Pompey they could hike the prices but try to persuade Millwall that its the only fair way to keep their lout element under control. What the fuck is wrong with suggesting that on here? Got any better ideas?
I have lots of ideas which I have already shared.
I was simply pointing out you was wrong that 'Kav' is no longer employed there when you were claiming he was and we should go to him.
As for "MickE" you were not the only one to make that error. But happy to clarify you were also wrong on that.
As for in the know, on Friday you were quite rightly furious with the arrangements. After the game yesterday you said you had spoken to someone senior and was saying their was nothing the club could do in terms of letting supporters know, which to me felt like a gear shift. I disagree with with that idea, but I have not spoken to anyone senior as I'm not in the know, just an ordinary go to game supporter.,who wants the best for all our go to game supporters
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on Friday
You mean me, so why not say so?. And I wasnt “in the know” obviously. So what? So Kav is no longer there. Does it mean that suddenly the two clubs have declared all out war on each other? All I was suggesting (not “claiming”) is that if the club wanted to do it with Millwall like Saints are doing with Pompey they could hike the prices but try to persuade Millwall that its the only fair way to keep their lout element under control. What the fuck is wrong with suggesting that on here? Got any better ideas?
I have lots of ideas which I have already shared.
I was simply pointing out you was wrong that 'Kav' is no longer employed there when you were claiming he was and we should go to him.
As for "MickE" you were not the only one to make that error. But happy to clarify you were also wrong on that.
As for in the know, on Friday you were quite rightly furious with the arrangements. After the game yesterday you said you had spoken to someone senior and was saying their was nothing the club could do in terms of letting supporters know, which to me felt like a gear shift. I disagree with with that idea, but I have not spoken to anyone senior as I'm not in the know, just an ordinary go to game supporter.,who wants the best for all our go to game supporters
Perhaps I should have made more clear whom I spoke to. A fan who is generally well in touch with what’s going on inside the club, whom I trust. Not a club employee, senior or otherwise. It was my own interpretation that it would have left the club with little or no chance to get the info out. On further reflection they probably could and should have done more; but I still strongly believe that they should never have been put in that position by the police, and this should not happen again.
As for your last sentence, sure I’m not a go to game supporter, I’m a go to a game whenever I am over supporter. But I’m also 71, and while I can’t claim to have been home and away every game, ever, I’ve been away in the years when it wasn’t easy, chased out of Mansfield, sitting in a football special leaving Barnsley with sheets over the windows because of regular bricking attacks, among other memories. So of course I want the best for all our go to game supporters too. What leads you to think I want different things?
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
You’d have to charge the CE Lower 30% more too
Why? Some regulation I am not aware of? If so, is that happening today at St Mary’s?
It’s a well known EFL rule. The Millwall tickets were £30, not £35 as some have said, for this reason.
Cheapest adult tickets (outside family area) at Southampton today were £40. They are charging £30 for Middlesbrough, so that tallies with a one third uplift.
So, what’s your view on the idea of limiting Spanner allocation in future, as one of the possible measures to stop yesterday happening again? Good, or not, and with price increase or not?
Am I the only one who is angry that there has been nothing from the club yet?
Surely they could have issued a statement along the lines of ‘We are aware of incidents that occurred at The Valley on Saturday and are saddened and appalled by them. We will be launching a thorough investigation of these incidents and the safety controls put in place and would urge supporters with any information, camera footage etc to contact Ed Warrick at The Valley as soon as possible’.
Over 23000 Millwall tickets sold was the important comms for them 🙁
There is no accountability. That's what is looks like anyway.
Any result other than a loss for Millwall and they were never going to be quick to leave. That is obvious.
Who decided the arrangement, local police at Greenwich or a higher up in the Met?
Each club in London has a dedicated team. They used to be based locally and it was 100% the only job they did. But it was centralised years ago and moved up to the old NSY. No idea where the football policing unit is based now.
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on Friday
You mean me, so why not say so?. And I wasnt “in the know” obviously. So what? So Kav is no longer there. Does it mean that suddenly the two clubs have declared all out war on each other? All I was suggesting (not “claiming”) is that if the club wanted to do it with Millwall like Saints are doing with Pompey they could hike the prices but try to persuade Millwall that its the only fair way to keep their lout element under control. What the fuck is wrong with suggesting that on here? Got any better ideas?
I have lots of ideas which I have already shared.
I was simply pointing out you was wrong that 'Kav' is no longer employed there when you were claiming he was and we should go to him.
As for "MickE" you were not the only one to make that error. But happy to clarify you were also wrong on that.
As for in the know, on Friday you were quite rightly furious with the arrangements. After the game yesterday you said you had spoken to someone senior and was saying their was nothing the club could do in terms of letting supporters know, which to me felt like a gear shift. I disagree with with that idea, but I have not spoken to anyone senior as I'm not in the know, just an ordinary go to game supporter.,who wants the best for all our go to game supporters
Perhaps I should have made more clear whom I spoke to. A fan who is generally well in touch with what’s going on inside the club, whom I trust. Not a club employee, senior or otherwise. It was my own interpretation that it would have left the club with little or no chance to get the info out. On further reflection they probably could and should have done more; but I still strongly believe that they should never have been put in that position by the police, and this should not happen again.
As for your last sentence, sure I’m not a go to game supporter, I’m a go to a game whenever I am over supporter. But I’m also 71, and while I can’t claim to have been home and away every game, ever, I’ve been away in the years when it wasn’t easy, chased out of Mansfield, sitting in a football special leaving Barnsley with sheets over the windows because of regular bricking attacks, among other memories. So of course I want the best for all our go to game supporters too. What leads you to think I want different things?
Never said anything about your own game attendance. My main concern on this and all supporter related issues (ticket allocations and games being moved) is always with those who go and who should always be the number one priority
There is no accountability. That's what is looks like anyway.
Any result other than a loss for Millwall and they were never going to be quick to leave. That is obvious.
Who decided the arrangement, local police at Greenwich or a higher up in the Met?
Each club in London has a dedicated team. They used to be based locally and it was 100% the only job they did. But it was centralised years ago and moved up to the old NSY. No idea where the football policing unit is based now.
It's obvious that the majority of those on duty yesterday were unfamiliar with the area.
When announcements/guidance yesterday was in short supply and many fans exiting the Ground unclear as to the route they should take, it's clearly unhelpful if those on duty merely respond with a "Can't help you, I'm afraid" as I overheard on the diversion back to our car.
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on Friday
You mean me, so why not say so?. And I wasnt “in the know” obviously. So what? So Kav is no longer there. Does it mean that suddenly the two clubs have declared all out war on each other? All I was suggesting (not “claiming”) is that if the club wanted to do it with Millwall like Saints are doing with Pompey they could hike the prices but try to persuade Millwall that its the only fair way to keep their lout element under control. What the fuck is wrong with suggesting that on here? Got any better ideas?
I have lots of ideas which I have already shared.
I was simply pointing out you was wrong that 'Kav' is no longer employed there when you were claiming he was and we should go to him.
As for "MickE" you were not the only one to make that error. But happy to clarify you were also wrong on that.
As for in the know, on Friday you were quite rightly furious with the arrangements. After the game yesterday you said you had spoken to someone senior and was saying their was nothing the club could do in terms of letting supporters know, which to me felt like a gear shift. I disagree with with that idea, but I have not spoken to anyone senior as I'm not in the know, just an ordinary go to game supporter.,who wants the best for all our go to game supporters
Perhaps I should have made more clear whom I spoke to. A fan who is generally well in touch with what’s going on inside the club, whom I trust. Not a club employee, senior or otherwise. It was my own interpretation that it would have left the club with little or no chance to get the info out. On further reflection they probably could and should have done more; but I still strongly believe that they should never have been put in that position by the police, and this should not happen again.
As for your last sentence, sure I’m not a go to game supporter, I’m a go to a game whenever I am over supporter. But I’m also 71, and while I can’t claim to have been home and away every game, ever, I’ve been away in the years when it wasn’t easy, chased out of Mansfield, sitting in a football special leaving Barnsley with sheets over the windows because of regular bricking attacks, among other memories. So of course I want the best for all our go to game supporters too. What leads you to think I want different things?
Never said anything about your own game attendance. My main concern on this and all supporter related issues (ticket allocations and games being moved) is always with those who go and who should always be the number one priority
Mine too. It seemed to me that you are implying I dont share that concern, or that people who are or have been CAST board members dont. If that wasn’t your intention, then fine, lets call it a day on that - and lets all agree that we can’t allow what happened yesterday to happen again.
The police's arrangements to exit the ground were a bit of an ill thought out shambles, compounded by the club's failure properly to communicate those arrangements to our supporters. A number of posters have suggested that the club's priority was what they saw as the commercial imperative to sell as many tickets as possible and not to publicise anything which might have put off potential attendees. I fear that may have been the case. If so, it is hardly "putting our supporters at the heart of everything we do", as espoused recently by Ed Warwick. Let's keep an open mind and see what the club have to say on this and other issues.
One difficulty with letting Millwall out first - in addition to inconveniencing 20,000 home supporters - is that some of them hang around afterwards looking to attack isolated Charlton supporters when the police have left. I accept that the away support can't be ferried off on trains from Charlton station, but keeping them in for 30 or 40 minutes would at least give families and others the opportunity to be on their way home.
I would also trim back their allocation for any future game at The Valley. It won't eradicate the problem but it should make it a little more manageable.
I was disgusted with the YouTube video posted elsewhere on this site of the baiting by a few idiotic young Charlton supporters which led to, or contributed to, the gate between the Jimmy Seed and Curbishley Stands being broken through and the subsequent attacks on random Charlton supporters. It's outrageous that any of our supporters should be subjected to that, including @TeeC's little boy and other families. I also really feel for that guy who was photographed on the steps trying to calm things down and got thumped by that odious thug.
In order to avoid policing costs, clubs now tend to rely solely upon stewards inside the ground, given that policing outside the ground (which I thought looked OTT) is funded entirely by the taxpayer. Is that realistic for the visit of Millwall ? To compound matters, there were only two stewards on the gate, who apparently took a few blows trying to keep the gate closed. The poor guys are probably on minimum wage and had no radio to call for reinforcements or, indeed, any means of alerting the police. Compare and contrast the stewarding at the totally benign and peaceful Stockport away game back in March ! The club will probably say - with some justification - that there have not been any issues at this gate before but it clearly needs to be looked at and addressed.
Whatever else happens, the pond life in that video and pictures - both Millwall and Charlton- need to be identified, charged, convicted and given banning orders.
Did any of the Charlton fans who were mouthing off behind the locked gates, (and bizarrely aiming kicks at the Millwall scum) get a slap when the gates came open ?
Millwall will not give us the lower stand when we play there later in the season. So it only seems fair that we do not give them the whole of the Jimmy Seed stand next season. Give them 2k tickets instead of 3k tickets, have a police presence in the stand and keep them back for 30 minutes after the game instead of all the nonsense yesterday.
I agree. But that will cost the club. So make up for that by charging them 30% more as Southampton are doing with Pompey. That might trigger a response from the Millwall club re prices - but then I’d expect we have a good relationship at board level, with Kav being their CEO. Millwall do have to own this problem more than they do. Kav knows perfectly well that other clubs will bring 3k to the Valley this season and none of the nonsense we saw yesterday will happen.
Steve Kavanagh or Kav to some left a long time ago.
In the same way Mick Everitt still works at Charlton despite people saying he has left us
About one day a week, I believe. He is matchday safety officer but he isn’t in charge of operations and hasn’t been for many years. And his name is Everett!
But he has not left unlike what was claimed by those in the know on Friday
You mean me, so why not say so?. And I wasnt “in the know” obviously. So what? So Kav is no longer there. Does it mean that suddenly the two clubs have declared all out war on each other? All I was suggesting (not “claiming”) is that if the club wanted to do it with Millwall like Saints are doing with Pompey they could hike the prices but try to persuade Millwall that its the only fair way to keep their lout element under control. What the fuck is wrong with suggesting that on here? Got any better ideas?
I have lots of ideas which I have already shared.
I was simply pointing out you was wrong that 'Kav' is no longer employed there when you were claiming he was and we should go to him.
As for "MickE" you were not the only one to make that error. But happy to clarify you were also wrong on that.
As for in the know, on Friday you were quite rightly furious with the arrangements. After the game yesterday you said you had spoken to someone senior and was saying their was nothing the club could do in terms of letting supporters know, which to me felt like a gear shift. I disagree with with that idea, but I have not spoken to anyone senior as I'm not in the know, just an ordinary go to game supporter.,who wants the best for all our go to game supporters
Perhaps I should have made more clear whom I spoke to. A fan who is generally well in touch with what’s going on inside the club, whom I trust. Not a club employee, senior or otherwise. It was my own interpretation that it would have left the club with little or no chance to get the info out. On further reflection they probably could and should have done more; but I still strongly believe that they should never have been put in that position by the police, and this should not happen again.
As for your last sentence, sure I’m not a go to game supporter, I’m a go to a game whenever I am over supporter. But I’m also 71, and while I can’t claim to have been home and away every game, ever, I’ve been away in the years when it wasn’t easy, chased out of Mansfield, sitting in a football special leaving Barnsley with sheets over the windows because of regular bricking attacks, among other memories. So of course I want the best for all our go to game supporters too. What leads you to think I want different things?
Never said anything about your own game attendance. My main concern on this and all supporter related issues (ticket allocations and games being moved) is always with those who go and who should always be the number one priority
Mine too. It seemed to me that you are implying I dont share that concern, or that people who are or have been CAST board members dont. If that wasn’t your intention, then fine, lets call it a day on that - and lets all agree that we can’t allow what happened yesterday to happen again.
Ok. Here’s the OneLung blueprint for the next home game versus the vermin
1 - only give them upper tier 2 - keep Millwall behind for 40 mins 3 - let them kick off amongst themselves 4 - bill Millwall for the inevitable repairs required.
Would reducing allocation fix anything? Its only about 50-100 of 3,000 that are causing trouble (or so it looks)
Reducing the allocation would surely make them more manageable plus keeping 1,500 back is more feasible than keeping 3,000 back, although that really shouldn’t be an issue.
Can people please email photos and first hand evidence to secretary@castrust.org and we will compile and raise with the club. Thank you. (Doesn’t matter if you’re a member or not)
You do realise that some people might think what's the point in involving the Trust in anything now, don't you? I've always been a supporter, but that response to the announced restrictions before the game was just a joke. I thought the idea of a members organisation was to stand up for and protect the interests of it's members , as uncomfortable as that may be for those who may have cosy little relationships with the club.
Cosy little relationship? A working relationship, yes, which is what it should be. It doesn't have to be adversarial - that achieves absolutely fuck all.
For the record, as an individual and not as a CAST Board member - yesterday the police fucked it up and the club fucked it up.
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Gross negligence in their operations yesterday, Plenty of police at the ground, but very poorly allocated.
Nobody would deny you the right to raise issues.
Has something happened that has denied you the right to raise something?
A good reminder that it is indeed a democratically run organisation ‘staffed’ by volunteers.
Scum fans in home areas
Home fans mucked about after the game, away fans not
Scum fans not kept in like we are at their ground
Pavement dancing
Them saying they don't care about us
Police making a pigs arse of things
Away end toilets being smashed up
Scum fans attacking isolated charlton fans
Scum fans who are whelks of men acting like they are Connor mcgregor
And it will happen again next season
Our game is nowhere near the levels of aggro you'd get at these fixtures anyway.
Yes I was going on about an incompetent CEO for Charlton at a Charlton Supporters Trust meeting
I was simply pointing out you was wrong that 'Kav' is no longer employed there when you were claiming he was and we should go to him.
As for "MickE" you were not the only one to make that error. But happy to clarify you were also wrong on that.
As for in the know, on Friday you were quite rightly furious with the arrangements. After the game yesterday you said you had spoken to someone senior and was saying their was nothing the club could do in terms of letting supporters know, which to me felt like a gear shift. I disagree with with that idea, but I have not spoken to anyone senior as I'm not in the know, just an ordinary go to game supporter.,who wants the best for all our go to game supporters
As for your last sentence, sure I’m not a go to game supporter, I’m a go to a game whenever I am over supporter. But I’m also 71, and while I can’t claim to have been home and away every game, ever, I’ve been away in the years when it wasn’t easy, chased out of Mansfield, sitting in a football special leaving Barnsley with sheets over the windows because of regular bricking attacks, among other memories. So of course I want the best for all our go to game supporters too. What leads you to think I want different things?
There is no accountability. That's what is looks like anyway.
Any result other than a loss for Millwall and they were never going to be quick to leave. That is obvious.
Who decided the arrangement, local police at Greenwich or a higher up in the Met?
When announcements/guidance yesterday was in short supply and many fans exiting the Ground unclear as to the route they should take, it's clearly unhelpful if those on duty merely respond with a "Can't help you, I'm afraid" as I overheard on the diversion back to our car.
One difficulty with letting Millwall out first - in addition to inconveniencing 20,000 home supporters - is that some of them hang around afterwards looking to attack isolated Charlton supporters when the police have left. I accept that the away support can't be ferried off on trains from Charlton station, but keeping them in for 30 or 40 minutes would at least give families and others the opportunity to be on their way home.
I would also trim back their allocation for any future game at The Valley. It won't eradicate the problem but it should make it a little more manageable.
I was disgusted with the YouTube video posted elsewhere on this site of the baiting by a few idiotic young Charlton supporters which led to, or contributed to, the gate between the Jimmy Seed and Curbishley Stands being broken through and the subsequent attacks on random Charlton supporters. It's outrageous that any of our supporters should be subjected to that, including @TeeC's little boy and other families. I also really feel for that guy who was photographed on the steps trying to calm things down and got thumped by that odious thug.
1 - only give them upper tier
2 - keep Millwall behind for 40 mins
3 - let them kick off amongst themselves
4 - bill Millwall for the inevitable repairs required.