The only drag is that having been on the receiving end of violence from Millwall fans in the past (the only other time was ironically Luton fans) I will avoid the train and seek a different journey to and from the Valley. The attendance number isn’t an issue for me, the only issue is trying to get a point or three from the match.
Sorry to hear this. Can I ask you how long ago that was? Can only say our away crowds are nothing like they was 10 or 20 years ago. I’d be very surprised if there was any trouble around this fixture in a couple of weeks. Of course both clubs still have a ‘risk’ group, and I think they’ve had a few clashes over the years (and I recall some straight going Millwall fans got attacked by some Charlton in a pub at London Bridge a few years back, resulting in prison sentences for the Charlton fans so it can work both ways). But by and large this isn’t a fixtures that gets the hooligan element excited. They’re still about. But very much in the minority these days. And they rarely cause trouble in or around the ground. When it does happen it’s usually miles from the ground and with like minded individuals. I’ve said on here before, I can’t remember the last time I saw trouble in or in the vicinity of the ground at any of our away games and we more often than not will mingle with opposition fans.
There were some very ugly scenes at the station after our pre-season "friendly" a couple years back. The worst I've ever seen actually. Both sides involved of course.
So I can understand people's nervousness to travel on crowded routes.
Fair enough. I missed that. Shame. I don’t thinks it’s that sort of derby.
Bizarre perception. I've been to every Charlton Millwall game in the last 30 years including friendlies and there's almost always some kind of agro whether it's in the ground or outside or both, and primarily (albeit not exclusively) instigated by Millwall fans from what I've seen
Maybe I’m being naive, I drive to the vast majority of games I go to so I rarely see what happens at the stations. I can only comment on what Ive seen and I haven’t seen any trouble at any of the Millwall charlton games I’ve been to in recent years. Actually, tell a lie, when you had the bottom tier at The Den a few years back your fans threw a flare on the pitch and a couple of seats, smashed the bogs up and made a half arsed attempt at ‘charging’ the home ends down in the corner. That’s the closest thing I’ve seen to any trouble but it was hardly a return to the bad old days.
So the ONLY thing close to trouble at this fixture you’ve seen was caused by Charlton. I know you are on here to defend Millwall’s name at any given opportunity. But that’s just nonsense.
I’m not saying Millwall fans haven’t been involved in trouble, I’m just telling you what I’ve seen. Although admittedly I haven’t got a train to one of these fixtures in years, so anything happening at the station or in the vicinity of one I would have missed. I’m purely talking about in and around the ground. That’s all I’ve seen yes.
Will this be the first game when two brothers have been on opposing sides for charlton e.g the mitchell brothers zach and billy likely to be in the match day squads?
Billy Mitchell one of our many first team regulars who is out injured. Not expected back until late September
Getting the excuses in early.
Ooooh yes. 100% lol.
Said it earlier in the thread, best chance you’ve got of beating us in years. 😁👍🏻
Always hated the scum since I was a very young lad and had to endure bricks being chucked at me and a number of other people in red and white. These were fully grown adults throwing them at young and old.
For me they were scum, have always been scum and will always be scum, simples.
The only drag is that having been on the receiving end of violence from Millwall fans in the past (the only other time was ironically Luton fans) I will avoid the train and seek a different journey to and from the Valley. The attendance number isn’t an issue for me, the only issue is trying to get a point or three from the match.
Sorry to hear this. Can I ask you how long ago that was? Can only say our away crowds are nothing like they was 10 or 20 years ago. I’d be very surprised if there was any trouble around this fixture in a couple of weeks. Of course both clubs still have a ‘risk’ group, and I think they’ve had a few clashes over the years (and I recall some straight going Millwall fans got attacked by some Charlton in a pub at London Bridge a few years back, resulting in prison sentences for the Charlton fans so it can work both ways). But by and large this isn’t a fixtures that gets the hooligan element excited. They’re still about. But very much in the minority these days. And they rarely cause trouble in or around the ground. When it does happen it’s usually miles from the ground and with like minded individuals. I’ve said on here before, I can’t remember the last time I saw trouble in or in the vicinity of the ground at any of our away games and we more often than not will mingle with opposition fans.
There were some very ugly scenes at the station after our pre-season "friendly" a couple years back. The worst I've ever seen actually. Both sides involved of course.
So I can understand people's nervousness to travel on crowded routes.
Fair enough. I missed that. Shame. I don’t thinks it’s that sort of derby.
Bizarre perception. I've been to every Charlton Millwall game in the last 30 years including friendlies and there's almost always some kind of agro whether it's in the ground or outside or both, and primarily (albeit not exclusively) instigated by Millwall fans from what I've seen
Maybe I’m being naive, I drive to the vast majority of games I go to so I rarely see what happens at the stations. I can only comment on what Ive seen and I haven’t seen any trouble at any of the Millwall charlton games I’ve been to in recent years. Actually, tell a lie, when you had the bottom tier at The Den a few years back your fans threw a flare on the pitch and a couple of seats, smashed the bogs up and made a half arsed attempt at ‘charging’ the home ends down in the corner. That’s the closest thing I’ve seen to any trouble but it was hardly a return to the bad old days.
So the ONLY thing close to trouble at this fixture you’ve seen was caused by Charlton. I know you are on here to defend Millwall’s name at any given opportunity. But that’s just nonsense.
I’m not saying Millwall fans haven’t been involved in trouble, I’m just telling you what I’ve seen. Although admittedly I haven’t got a train to one of these fixtures in years, so anything happening at the station or in the vicinity of one I would have missed. I’m purely talking about in and around the ground. That’s all I’ve seen yes.
In a previous post you mentioned some trouble after the game in a pub near Borough market. It did indeed end with a couple of Charlton fans going to prison but that's only half the story. Before the game the pub was full of Charlton. Millwall fan's we're in a pub a few hundred metres away. After the game Charlton fans were held back by the police to allow Millwall fans to leave the ground. About a dozen or so Millwall fans headed straight to the pub that they new Charlton fans had been using. When Charlton fans arrived at the pub a short time later it all kicked off. Millwall fans came a very poor 2nd. This of course could and should have been avoided if the Millwall fans had returned to the pub they had been using earlier instead of heading to the Charlton pub to cause trouble.
The only drag is that having been on the receiving end of violence from Millwall fans in the past (the only other time was ironically Luton fans) I will avoid the train and seek a different journey to and from the Valley. The attendance number isn’t an issue for me, the only issue is trying to get a point or three from the match.
Sorry to hear this. Can I ask you how long ago that was? Can only say our away crowds are nothing like they was 10 or 20 years ago. I’d be very surprised if there was any trouble around this fixture in a couple of weeks. Of course both clubs still have a ‘risk’ group, and I think they’ve had a few clashes over the years (and I recall some straight going Millwall fans got attacked by some Charlton in a pub at London Bridge a few years back, resulting in prison sentences for the Charlton fans so it can work both ways). But by and large this isn’t a fixtures that gets the hooligan element excited. They’re still about. But very much in the minority these days. And they rarely cause trouble in or around the ground. When it does happen it’s usually miles from the ground and with like minded individuals. I’ve said on here before, I can’t remember the last time I saw trouble in or in the vicinity of the ground at any of our away games and we more often than not will mingle with opposition fans.
There were some very ugly scenes at the station after our pre-season "friendly" a couple years back. The worst I've ever seen actually. Both sides involved of course.
So I can understand people's nervousness to travel on crowded routes.
Fair enough. I missed that. Shame. I don’t thinks it’s that sort of derby.
Bizarre perception. I've been to every Charlton Millwall game in the last 30 years including friendlies and there's almost always some kind of agro whether it's in the ground or outside or both, and primarily (albeit not exclusively) instigated by Millwall fans from what I've seen
Maybe I’m being naive, I drive to the vast majority of games I go to so I rarely see what happens at the stations. I can only comment on what Ive seen and I haven’t seen any trouble at any of the Millwall charlton games I’ve been to in recent years. Actually, tell a lie, when you had the bottom tier at The Den a few years back your fans threw a flare on the pitch and a couple of seats, smashed the bogs up and made a half arsed attempt at ‘charging’ the home ends down in the corner. That’s the closest thing I’ve seen to any trouble but it was hardly a return to the bad old days.
So the ONLY thing close to trouble at this fixture you’ve seen was caused by Charlton. I know you are on here to defend Millwall’s name at any given opportunity. But that’s just nonsense.
I’m not saying Millwall fans haven’t been involved in trouble, I’m just telling you what I’ve seen. Although admittedly I haven’t got a train to one of these fixtures in years, so anything happening at the station or in the vicinity of one I would have missed. I’m purely talking about in and around the ground. That’s all I’ve seen yes.
In a previous post you mentioned some trouble after the game in a pub near Borough market. It did indeed end with a couple of Charlton fans going to prison but that's only half the story. Before the game the pub was full of Charlton. Millwall fan's we're in a pub a few hundred metres away. After the game Charlton fans were held back by the police to allow Millwall fans to leave the ground. About a dozen or so Millwall fans headed straight to the pub that they new Charlton fans had been using. When Charlton fans arrived at the pub a short time later it all kicked off. Millwall fans came a very poor 2nd. This of course could and should have been avoided if the Millwall fans had returned to the pub they had been using earlier instead of heading to the Charlton pub to cause trouble.
Thanks for the context. I only read the news report on it and that was quite a few years and it obviously didn’t include all that.
The only drag is that having been on the receiving end of violence from Millwall fans in the past (the only other time was ironically Luton fans) I will avoid the train and seek a different journey to and from the Valley. The attendance number isn’t an issue for me, the only issue is trying to get a point or three from the match.
Sorry to hear this. Can I ask you how long ago that was? Can only say our away crowds are nothing like they was 10 or 20 years ago. I’d be very surprised if there was any trouble around this fixture in a couple of weeks. Of course both clubs still have a ‘risk’ group, and I think they’ve had a few clashes over the years (and I recall some straight going Millwall fans got attacked by some Charlton in a pub at London Bridge a few years back, resulting in prison sentences for the Charlton fans so it can work both ways). But by and large this isn’t a fixtures that gets the hooligan element excited. They’re still about. But very much in the minority these days. And they rarely cause trouble in or around the ground. When it does happen it’s usually miles from the ground and with like minded individuals. I’ve said on here before, I can’t remember the last time I saw trouble in or in the vicinity of the ground at any of our away games and we more often than not will mingle with opposition fans.
There were some very ugly scenes at the station after our pre-season "friendly" a couple years back. The worst I've ever seen actually. Both sides involved of course.
So I can understand people's nervousness to travel on crowded routes.
Fair enough. I missed that. Shame. I don’t thinks it’s that sort of derby.
Bizarre perception. I've been to every Charlton Millwall game in the last 30 years including friendlies and there's almost always some kind of agro whether it's in the ground or outside or both, and primarily (albeit not exclusively) instigated by Millwall fans from what I've seen
Maybe I’m being naive, I drive to the vast majority of games I go to so I rarely see what happens at the stations. I can only comment on what Ive seen and I haven’t seen any trouble at any of the Millwall charlton games I’ve been to in recent years. Actually, tell a lie, when you had the bottom tier at The Den a few years back your fans threw a flare on the pitch and a couple of seats, smashed the bogs up and made a half arsed attempt at ‘charging’ the home ends down in the corner. That’s the closest thing I’ve seen to any trouble but it was hardly a return to the bad old days.
So the ONLY thing close to trouble at this fixture you’ve seen was caused by Charlton. I know you are on here to defend Millwall’s name at any given opportunity. But that’s just nonsense.
I’m not saying Millwall fans haven’t been involved in trouble, I’m just telling you what I’ve seen. Although admittedly I haven’t got a train to one of these fixtures in years, so anything happening at the station or in the vicinity of one I would have missed. I’m purely talking about in and around the ground. That’s all I’ve seen yes.
In a previous post you mentioned some trouble after the game in a pub near Borough market. It did indeed end with a couple of Charlton fans going to prison but that's only half the story. Before the game the pub was full of Charlton. Millwall fan's we're in a pub a few hundred metres away. After the game Charlton fans were held back by the police to allow Millwall fans to leave the ground. About a dozen or so Millwall fans headed straight to the pub that they new Charlton fans had been using. When Charlton fans arrived at the pub a short time later it all kicked off. Millwall fans came a very poor 2nd. This of course could and should have been avoided if the Millwall fans had returned to the pub they had been using earlier instead of heading to the Charlton pub to cause trouble.
Strange to hear though because it’s a well known fact at Millwall that our hooligan element avoid London Bridge and the Borough like the plague these days and have done for over 20 years because it’s got so much CCTV. Back in the day it was a hotspot for trouble but hasn’t been for a very long time. Quite the opposite. That’s why away fans always go to the borough for a pre and post match drink when they play at ours. The borough is always teeming with away fans these days.
The only drag is that having been on the receiving end of violence from Millwall fans in the past (the only other time was ironically Luton fans) I will avoid the train and seek a different journey to and from the Valley. The attendance number isn’t an issue for me, the only issue is trying to get a point or three from the match.
Sorry to hear this. Can I ask you how long ago that was? Can only say our away crowds are nothing like they was 10 or 20 years ago. I’d be very surprised if there was any trouble around this fixture in a couple of weeks. Of course both clubs still have a ‘risk’ group, and I think they’ve had a few clashes over the years (and I recall some straight going Millwall fans got attacked by some Charlton in a pub at London Bridge a few years back, resulting in prison sentences for the Charlton fans so it can work both ways). But by and large this isn’t a fixtures that gets the hooligan element excited. They’re still about. But very much in the minority these days. And they rarely cause trouble in or around the ground. When it does happen it’s usually miles from the ground and with like minded individuals. I’ve said on here before, I can’t remember the last time I saw trouble in or in the vicinity of the ground at any of our away games and we more often than not will mingle with opposition fans.
There were some very ugly scenes at the station after our pre-season "friendly" a couple years back. The worst I've ever seen actually. Both sides involved of course.
So I can understand people's nervousness to travel on crowded routes.
Fair enough. I missed that. Shame. I don’t thinks it’s that sort of derby.
Bizarre perception. I've been to every Charlton Millwall game in the last 30 years including friendlies and there's almost always some kind of agro whether it's in the ground or outside or both, and primarily (albeit not exclusively) instigated by Millwall fans from what I've seen
Maybe I’m being naive, I drive to the vast majority of games I go to so I rarely see what happens at the stations. I can only comment on what Ive seen and I haven’t seen any trouble at any of the Millwall charlton games I’ve been to in recent years. Actually, tell a lie, when you had the bottom tier at The Den a few years back your fans threw a flare on the pitch and a couple of seats, smashed the bogs up and made a half arsed attempt at ‘charging’ the home ends down in the corner. That’s the closest thing I’ve seen to any trouble but it was hardly a return to the bad old days.
So the ONLY thing close to trouble at this fixture you’ve seen was caused by Charlton. I know you are on here to defend Millwall’s name at any given opportunity. But that’s just nonsense.
I’m not saying Millwall fans haven’t been involved in trouble, I’m just telling you what I’ve seen. Although admittedly I haven’t got a train to one of these fixtures in years, so anything happening at the station or in the vicinity of one I would have missed. I’m purely talking about in and around the ground. That’s all I’ve seen yes.
In a previous post you mentioned some trouble after the game in a pub near Borough market. It did indeed end with a couple of Charlton fans going to prison but that's only half the story. Before the game the pub was full of Charlton. Millwall fan's we're in a pub a few hundred metres away. After the game Charlton fans were held back by the police to allow Millwall fans to leave the ground. About a dozen or so Millwall fans headed straight to the pub that they new Charlton fans had been using. When Charlton fans arrived at the pub a short time later it all kicked off. Millwall fans came a very poor 2nd. This of course could and should have been avoided if the Millwall fans had returned to the pub they had been using earlier instead of heading to the Charlton pub to cause trouble.
Strange to hear though because it’s a well known fact at Millwall that our hooligan element avoid London Bridge and the Borough like the plague these days and have done for over 20 years because it’s got so much CCTV. Back in the day it was a hotspot for trouble but hasn’t been for a very long time. Quite the opposite. That’s why away fans always go to the borough for a pre and post match drink when they play at ours. The borough is always teeming with away fans these days.
I am conscious that Charlton have some belligerent and pugnacious fans, but it never occurs to me to describe them as ‘our hooligan element’. I think it is something that ebbs and flows according to circumstances, but something called ‘our hooligan element’ sounds very fixed and permanent, like a specific department in a shop or something. It’s like Charlton sometimes throw up hooliganism, but for Millwall it is always there. Then again as Millwall fans regularly remind the world ‘they don’t care’, whereas I as a train spotting clowntown (what else do we get called? ‘Mongs’?) fan it does matter to me that some people like us. Especially because that’s the way to increase the numbers of supporters.
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
@Weegie Addick@castrust would you proactively ask the club about the policing arrangements for after the game? Head them off at the pass before the final pre-match meeting of all the "relevant authorities"?
This! That 4-0 game back in 2010. Loads of Charlton leaving when the 3rd went in straight after the 2nd and then me following when the 4th went in 5 minutes later.
Got outside to find several hundred Charlton penned in by the police with the gates locked. Still 20 minutes to go, the cops had a chance to get most of the Charlton fans away, into London Bridge and probably back out on the way home before the game even finished. I put this to one of the cops whose response was that the decision to keep Charlton fans back had been taken the day before. No one on the ground was able to use common sense and deal with a situation of half the away fans trying to leave 20/25 mins before the end.
If anyone fancies a little trip down memory lane here’s the highlights to that game. Here to help 🙏🏼….
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
So the video the other year where your lot clashed with Pompey at London Bridge, which was an arranged meet, was a myth was it? Or was that not your hooligan element? Maybe it was your ornament collecting element.
Amuses me how Millwall forums thrive on the hard as f*ck, 'Wall', right wing stuff and are littered with stories glorifying historic skirmishes and worse.
Yet whenever accused of bad behaviour from the outside, it either never happened or they are the innocent party, victims of an outrageously unjustified reputation and long-term media conspiracy.
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
So the video the other year where your lot clashed with Pompey at London Bridge, which was an arranged meet, was a myth was it? Or was that not your hooligan element? Maybe it was your ornament collecting element.
Wasn’t that at Waterloo? Millwall fans coming back from Southampton and Portsmouth getting on a train home after a game in London?
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
So the video the other year where your lot clashed with Pompey at London Bridge, which was an arranged meet, was a myth was it? Or was that not your hooligan element? Maybe it was your ornament collecting element.
Wasn’t that at Waterloo? Millwall fans coming back from Southampton and Portsmouth getting on a train home after a game in London?
And pretty sure it wasn’t arranged. They just happened to be coming through the same station at the same time? If we’re talking about the same incident?
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
So the video the other year where your lot clashed with Pompey at London Bridge, which was an arranged meet, was a myth was it? Or was that not your hooligan element? Maybe it was your ornament collecting element.
I’m not in the know or anything, nor would I wish to be, but I’m pretty sure that if two groups of hooligans are going to pre arrange a big punch up they’re not going to do it in a mainline station (or surrounding areas) where every inch of the place is covered by cctv.
@Weegie Addick@castrust would you proactively ask the club about the policing arrangements for after the game? Head them off at the pass before the final pre-match meeting of all the "relevant authorities"?
This! That 4-0 game back in 2010. Loads of Charlton leaving when the 3rd went in straight after the 2nd and then me following when the 4th went in 5 minutes later.
Got outside to find several hundred Charlton penned in by the police with the gates locked. Still 20 minutes to go, the cops had a chance to get most of the Charlton fans away, into London Bridge and probably back out on the way home before the game even finished. I put this to one of the cops whose response was that the decision to keep Charlton fans back had been taken the day before. No one on the ground was able to use common sense and deal with a situation of half the away fans trying to leave 20/25 mins before the end.
If anyone fancies a little trip down memory lane here’s the highlights to that game. Here to help 🙏🏼….
There's 40k+ scumbags on a terrorist watchlist who no doubt would love to harm/ kill us and our families. Why football fans are still fighting each other when that exists is beyond me.
Amuses me how Millwall forums thrive on the hard as f*ck, 'Wall', right wing stuff and are littered with stories glorifying historic skirmishes and worse.
Yet whenever accused of bad behaviour from the outside, it either never happened or they are the innocent party, victims of an outrageously unjustified reputation and long-term media conspiracy.
Amuses me how Millwall forums thrive on the hard as f*ck, 'Wall', right wing stuff and are littered with stories glorifying historic skirmishes and worse.
Yet whenever accused of bad behaviour from the outside, it either never happened or they are the innocent party, victims of an outrageously unjustified reputation and long-term media conspiracy.
Bless 'em - they are just misunderstood.
You’ll never find me on here trying to portray us as innocent. We’ve got plenty of idiots, especially at big games like this one you shared, when any Tim dick or harry can get a ticket.
There's 40k+ scumbags on a terrorist watchlist who no doubt would love to harm/ kill us and our families. Why football fans are still fighting each other when that exists is beyond me.
Amuses me how Millwall forums thrive on the hard as f*ck, 'Wall', right wing stuff and are littered with stories glorifying historic skirmishes and worse.
Yet whenever accused of bad behaviour from the outside, it either never happened or they are the innocent party, victims of an outrageously unjustified reputation and long-term media conspiracy.
Bless 'em - they are just misunderstood.
You’ll never find me on here trying to portray us as innocent. We’ve got plenty of idiots, especially at big games like this one you shared, when any Tim dick or harry can get a ticket.
Nobody called Timothy supports Millwall!! You definitely have some Dicks though.
There's 40k+ scumbags on a terrorist watchlist who no doubt would love to harm/ kill us and our families. Why football fans are still fighting each other when that exists is beyond me.
The late 19c psychologist, Gustave Le Bon (no relation to Simon!), nailed it in his book The Crowd. He called it deindividuation, 'a psychological phenomenon
where people lose their sense of personal identity and self-awareness
when in a group, leading to a reduced sense of responsibility and
inhibitions against unusual, antisocial, or even violent behavior'.
I've seen normally mild-mannered 'wouldn't say boo to a goose' individuals all of a sudden spitting venom when in a crowd of venom spitters. Twas ever thus.
There's 40k+ scumbags on a terrorist watchlist who no doubt would love to harm/ kill us and our families. Why football fans are still fighting each other when that exists is beyond me.
The late 19c psychologist, Gustave Le Bon (no relation to Simon!), nailed it in his book The Crowd. He called it deindividuation, 'a psychological phenomenon
where people lose their sense of personal identity and self-awareness
when in a group, leading to a reduced sense of responsibility and
inhibitions against unusual, antisocial, or even violent behavior'.
I've seen normally mild-mannered 'wouldn't say boo to a goose' individuals all of a sudden spitting venom when in a crowd of venom spitters. Twas ever thus.
You sure about that Bob? Titles like The Wild Boys, Notorious, A View to a Kill and Hungry Like the Lion all make a bit more sense now 🤷🏻♂️😉
There's 40k+ scumbags on a terrorist watchlist who no doubt would love to harm/ kill us and our families. Why football fans are still fighting each other when that exists is beyond me.
Do you mean, "People are people, so why should it be, You and I should get along so awfully?"
Amuses me how Millwall forums thrive on the hard as f*ck, 'Wall', right wing stuff and are littered with stories glorifying historic skirmishes and worse.
Yet whenever accused of bad behaviour from the outside, it either never happened or they are the innocent party, victims of an outrageously unjustified reputation and long-term media conspiracy.
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
Alright touchy, I’ll tell my wife she’s been imagining things
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
Blackpool's record of events is correct - we were in that pub before the game and i walked past it after on my way to a party in a hotel on the way to waterloo - my wife has worked in the natwest at borough market for over 20 years now, including a lot of saturdays and could tell you a different story about your 'element' avoiding the area
Total rubbish. I have a family member who passes through the borough for every single home game (bar midweek games) and he says there’s never any of our ‘hooligan element’ (or whatever you want to call it) around there. For the reasons mentioned above. Apparently London Bridge and the Borough has more CCTV than any other part of London. I don’t know how true that is but it’s certainly well watched as it’s very touristy around there now. Why would our thugs go and cause trouble there knowing they’re going to be filmed and subsequently arrested? Which is exactly what happened to those Charlton fans on the Bunch of Grapes which sort of proves my point. It is the area away fans are advised to go to if they want a pre match pint. So sorry mate, I’ll say it again, total rubbish.
You can never say never. I'd suggest what you are saying is total rubbish.
Do you know the area? Do you ever pass through the area on a match day? Im sure you do but if you don’t then I would highly recommend it. It’s great for a pre or post match pint and a bit of street food from the market. All the away day guides recommend it for games at Millwall. Go there before the game at ours later in the season, you’ll see what I’m on about. You’ll see Millwall fans passing through, but I highly doubt you’ll see any thugs roaming around looking for a row. As I said before, I drive most of the time but on the few occasions I train it (probably 3 or 4 times a season) I always get out at London Bridge for a bite and a drink at the borough. Never a seen our ‘element’ there. Not in the last ten years or so at least anyway.
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For me they were scum, have always been scum and will always be scum, simples.
It did indeed end with a couple of Charlton fans going to prison but that's only half the story.
Before the game the pub was full of Charlton.
Millwall fan's we're in a pub a few hundred metres away.
After the game Charlton fans were held back by the police to allow Millwall fans to leave the ground.
About a dozen or so Millwall fans headed straight to the pub that they new Charlton fans had been using.
When Charlton fans arrived at the pub a short time later it all kicked off.
Millwall fans came a very poor 2nd.
This of course could and should have been avoided if the Millwall fans had returned to the pub they had been using earlier instead of heading to the Charlton pub to cause trouble.
It’s like Charlton sometimes throw up hooliganism, but for Millwall it is always there.
Then again as Millwall fans regularly remind the world ‘they don’t care’, whereas I as a train spotting clowntown (what else do we get called? ‘Mongs’?) fan it does matter to me that some people like us. Especially because that’s the way to increase the numbers of supporters.
I’m not in the know or anything, nor would I wish to be, but I’m pretty sure that if two groups of hooligans are going to pre arrange a big punch up they’re not going to do it in a mainline station (or surrounding areas) where every inch of the place is covered by cctv.
The Millwall crowd became a brawl while the match was playing. They were all fighting each other and it was strange to witness.
There were probably a lot of genuine fans who just wanted to watch the game but scumbags decided to insist on ruining it.
I'd suggest what you are saying is total rubbish.