Berry , Ahadme , Asiiwme , A Mitchell ,Kanu, Taylor , Dixon …… these are the players that would have been involved last night makes a big difference especially in defence
Which made it seem like Jones was saying without those players this is what we’re left with as backups
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Gillesphey was very much part of the problem last night. He was at the heart of the return to Autumn '24 tactics - pass across the back three while the opposition settle and take up good defensive positions and then, in despair, Mac lumps one of his pointless diagonals.
Just a thought, what if NJ had fielded a full strength side. And say one of the seniors, TC or Lloyd got a bad knock and was out for a period of time. Would we been chirping up about loosing a main 1st teamer in a competition we where very unlikely to win anyway.
That can happen in the league as well, injuries are part of the game so I don't get your point here. If Lloyd was to get injured in the first minute against QPR and out for 6 months, what difference would it make vs getting injured in the 85th minute at Cambridge in the Cup.
This with knobs on.
As with pedantic post about playing the youngsters in the league because we're not winning the Championship, you cant pick & choose what competition you might pick up an injury so as to protect players.
British Football academies in general aren't producing physical players any more, hence the glut of talented wingers, attacking fullbacks and wide attackers, and shortage of the traditional British strong positions of goalkeepers, commanding centre backs and big number 9s.
At the start of the window, I recall wanting a big lump number 9 to give us that plan b target man option from the bench. Someone like Michael Smith, as we've not replaced Chuks.
Keepers are an interesting one , feels like it's how good they are with their feet is what is looked for nowadays with young keepers.
Just a thought, what if NJ had fielded a full strength side. And say one of the seniors, TC or Lloyd got a bad knock and was out for a period of time. Would we been chirping up about loosing a main 1st teamer in a competition we where very unlikely to win anyway.
That can happen in the league as well, injuries are part of the game so I don't get your point here. If Lloyd was to get injured in the first minute against QPR and out for 6 months, what difference would it make vs getting injured in the 85th minute at Cambridge in the Cup.
This with knobs on.
As with pedantic post about playing the youngsters in the league because we're not winning the Championship, you cant pick & choose what competition you might pick up an injury so as to protect players.
Yea but you can limit it by not playing them in games that are “crucial”.
Just a thought, what if NJ had fielded a full strength side. And say one of the seniors, TC or Lloyd got a bad knock and was out for a period of time. Would we been chirping up about loosing a main 1st teamer in a competition we where very unlikely to win anyway.
That can happen in the league as well, injuries are part of the game so I don't get your point here. If Lloyd was to get injured in the first minute against QPR and out for 6 months, what difference would it make vs getting injured in the 85th minute at Cambridge in the Cup.
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
On the same token Gillesphey had done nothing wrong to be dropped for Bell in fact been significant in the recent progress. Bell clearly has done well so far but my comment wasn't about the comparison between the two it was more that Jones has marginalised Macauley by having no other so called first teamers on the sheet last night.
I'd rather forget a lost evening, makes Saturday interesting when we line up our A team against Magnificent seven goals let in QPR, football hey who knows how it will go, just because they were tanked last week, means nothing come 12.30 KO ! Interesting went into my bookie this morning and asked what odds for promotion are 25-1 thats top 2 only and 9-1 to be top six. Lets see 44 games to go its a marathon. Decided against a bet !
Interesting team, a test for Hobden as we saw with Rylah in the last cup game. A natural defender rather than a winger like Rylah, plays CB/RB/RWB in the u21s, a real battler, solid and reliable, grabs the odd goal.
AMB
Laq Zach Gillesphey
Hobden Fullah
Anderson JRC
Knibbs
Kelman Tanto
Subs for those who don’t know:
Reuben Reid - winger/striker, very exciting, pace, tricks and a good size, only 17. I said we might see a cup cameo from him this season, nice to see it could be as soon as tonight.
Keenan Gough - CB/DM/CM, like Hobden a solid reliable player, bit of an all rounder. Captained at u18 and u21 level.
Paris Lock - winger, son of Chris, signed after leaving Wimbledon this summer.
Ty Ewens-Findlay - CB, signed after leaving Cambridge Utd this summer so could make his debut vs his old club.
My eldest boy is friends with T-EF and he rates him very very highly. Hoping he can get on the pitch tonight.
Do you know if Cambridge released him or offered him a new deal?
Not sure. I will ask the question. I have a feeling it may have been down to budgets rather than ability. And clearly the lad has something if Charlton were keen to pick him up. My boy said "he'll be near the 1st team soon", but you have to take that with a pinch of salt clearly! Although...here he is on the bench 😃
Edit. As in my boy said 1st team as in the REAL first team league fixtures
It was as i suspected @Scoham not enough budget to offer him something, hence moving on.
Makes sense, thanks for asking. Hopefully we’ll see him in a few u21 streams soon, it’ll be good to see how he does at that level.
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
On the same token Gillesphey had done nothing wrong to be dropped for Bell in fact been significant in the recent progress. Bell clearly has done well so far but my comment wasn't about the comparison between the two it was more that Jones has marginalised Macauley by having no other so called first teamers on the sheet last night.
Well except for Knibbs anyway. Oh yeah and Olaofe. Anderson too. Not forgetting Rankin-Costello or Kelman.
But apart from all of those members of the first team squad, it was only Gillesphey.
NJ comments about depth make me think he was sending a message upstairs with his bench tonight
It has pretty unanimous on here that this transfer window has been about our best ever & that Nathan has signed almost everyone he wanted to. Are we now saying the board hasnt supported him ?? If so then that is the first I've heard of it.
Plenty of spaces available to bring a few loans in
I suspect we will shortly sign better than Alex Mitchell
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
On the same token Gillesphey had done nothing wrong to be dropped for Bell in fact been significant in the recent progress. Bell clearly has done well so far but my comment wasn't about the comparison between the two it was more that Jones has marginalised Macauley by having no other so called first teamers on the sheet last night.
Well except for Knibbs anyway. Oh yeah and Olaofe. Anderson too. Not forgetting Rankin-Costello or Kelman.
But apart from all of those members of the first team squad, it was only Gillesphey.
Just a thought, what if NJ had fielded a full strength side. And say one of the seniors, TC or Lloyd got a bad knock and was out for a period of time. Would we been chirping up about loosing a main 1st teamer in a competition we where very unlikely to win anyway.
That can happen in the league as well, injuries are part of the game so I don't get your point here. If Lloyd was to get injured in the first minute against QPR and out for 6 months, what difference would it make vs getting injured in the 85th minute at Cambridge in the Cup.
This with knobs on.
As with pedantic post about playing the youngsters in the league because we're not winning the Championship, you cant pick & choose what competition you might pick up an injury so as to protect players.
Yea but you can limit it by not playing them in games that are “crucial”.
Exactly. I can guarantee key players don’t get injured in the Mickey Mouse cup by not playing them.
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
On the same token Gillesphey had done nothing wrong to be dropped for Bell in fact been significant in the recent progress. Bell clearly has done well so far but my comment wasn't about the comparison between the two it was more that Jones has marginalised Macauley by having no other so called first teamers on the sheet last night.
Well except for Knibbs anyway. Oh yeah and Olaofe. Anderson too. Not forgetting Rankin-Costello or Kelman.
But apart from all of those members of the first team squad, it was only Gillesphey.
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
On the same token Gillesphey had done nothing wrong to be dropped for Bell in fact been significant in the recent progress. Bell clearly has done well so far but my comment wasn't about the comparison between the two it was more that Jones has marginalised Macauley by having no other so called first teamers on the sheet last night.
Well except for Knibbs anyway. Oh yeah and Olaofe. Anderson too. Not forgetting Rankin-Costello or Kelman.
But apart from all of those members of the first team squad, it was only Gillesphey.
Oh yes I forgot they all started on Saturday
Neither did Gillesphey though so your initial argument wasn't even right there either.
...ba is the new Keith Jones? (I don't think he passed sideways nearly enough for that comparison, but I'm struggling to think of who we might compare him to as I've not seen him play enough).
Ball numbers don't work that way in Carabao Cup, they are done alphabetically instead. If we had won last night, it would've been Burnley v Charlton and Fulham v Cardiff instead of what we got.
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
I don’t think that this argument can be used when the same is true for Gillesphey. It’s not like he even played the 1st league game this season.
Of course it can. It has been decided that Bell is an upgrade on Gillesphey, so he's been dropped to the bench.
That's football. You may not have done anything wrong, but if your club buys a player that's perceived to be better than you, then you'll be placed on the bench.
It's a very long and hard season in Championship. Im certain Gillesphey will start some league games.
Starting him in cup games and on the bench for league games is not poor management.
It may well be that Bell is better than Gillesphey but that wasn't your argument. The argument was that you can't drop Bell because he's done nothing wrong, but the same is true for Gillesphey. You can't argue one way for one player and not for the other.
Just a thought, what if NJ had fielded a full strength side. And say one of the seniors, TC or Lloyd got a bad knock and was out for a period of time. Would we been chirping up about loosing a main 1st teamer in a competition we where very unlikely to win anyway.
We are unlikely to win the League. Perhaps we should play the youngsters on Saturday then 🙄
That argument doesn't work because you don't get relegated by being knocked out the cup
True but I don't believe that you're more likely to get relegated by staying in the cup either.
I don't necessarily believe that players get more tired or can get an injury from playing a match than doing two days training instead either.
I hate this modern 'distrust' and disregard for cup competitions. What's the point of competing at all if you purposely don't try to do your best?
Besides, if you get a Premier League team, you get to test yourself against better opposition which arguably then improves you to make you a better player for subsequent league matches.
This was a serious error of judgement by Jones and the management team. I think the treatment of Macauley Gillesphey by Jones is poor management especially (basically relegating him) notwithstanding he was top rated in independent ratings last year. The new players were awful in possession, fight, nous and general demeanour. Whilst understanding the need to allow young players experience as others have said no senior players as back up is poor. Anderson has 1 good game in 8, Kelman needs to get a bit of Godden in him, Mitchell although poor needs to strengthen his approach (Mac had to change positions in the 2nd half to combat the physical threat). Knibbs and JRC need a rocket. Mbick not ready.
Not sure where you're coming from with this.
Yes, he had a great season for us last season, but it's been decided Bell is ahead of him in the league starting 11, so he's on the bench and starting cup games.
Why is that poor management?
You can't just keep the same 11 because they got promoted and had a great season last year. I like Gillesphey, but Bell hasn't done anything wrong to be dropped so far, and in fact is starting to look stronger game by game.
I don’t think that this argument can be used when the same is true for Gillesphey. It’s not like he even played the 1st league game this season.
Of course it can. It has been decided that Bell is an upgrade on Gillesphey, so he's been dropped to the bench.
That's football. You may not have done anything wrong, but if your club buys a player that's perceived to be better than you, then you'll be placed on the bench.
It's a very long and hard season in Championship. Im certain Gillesphey will start some league games.
Starting him in cup games and on the bench for league games is not poor management.
It may well be that Bell is better than Gillesphey but that wasn't your argument. The argument was that you can't drop Bell because he's done nothing wrong, but the same is true for Gillesphey. You can't argue one way for one player and not for the other.
That wasn't the argument at all. Funny you stepped in and then got it wrong anyway.
Gillesphey has been dropped (even though he didn't do anything wrong) because it's seen that Bell is the better player for this first 11. If you then dropped Bell now, you'd need to replace him with an even better player, who we don't have, as he's our top player in that position
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As with pedantic post about playing the youngsters in the league because we're not winning the Championship, you cant pick & choose what competition you might pick up an injury so as to protect players.
Backup target man would be a nice addition.
Interesting went into my bookie this morning and asked what odds for promotion are 25-1 thats top 2 only and 9-1 to be top six. Lets see 44 games to go its a marathon. Decided against a bet !
But apart from all of those members of the first team squad, it was only Gillesphey.
I don't necessarily believe that players get more tired or can get an injury from playing a match than doing two days training instead either.
I hate this modern 'distrust' and disregard for cup competitions. What's the point of competing at all if you purposely don't try to do your best?
Besides, if you get a Premier League team, you get to test yourself against better opposition which arguably then improves you to make you a better player for subsequent league matches.