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New Head Of Performance - Will Abbott, leaving in September (p3)

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  • Bangkokaddick
    Bangkokaddick
    I noticed Tracey on the edge of the pitch with the players on Saturday, so I assume she is working a notice period. I would guess Dr Abbott will do the same, so in the event of any further signings he may well still be involved in the medicals.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash
    Bostonaddick said:
    There is this weird love affair with him on this forum. I don’t doubt he was good at his job but he is a sport performance guy.  There are some on here who saw Aneke stay relatively healthy for a ten game stretch and somehow equated Dr Will with being involved with everything that went well last year including scouting whether a potential player would be injured to our propensity to score late in matches.  It really was a little bizarre 
    We were clearly one of if not the fittest teams in L1 last season. The way we finished games on top, scoring so many late goals and conceding so few, maintaining the energy to the 96th minute. Our players went from having a worse than average injury record to a better than average one.

    Of course it wasn't just down to one person, but he was at the heart of this.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune
    killerandflash said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    There is this weird love affair with him on this forum. I don’t doubt he was good at his job but he is a sport performance guy.  There are some on here who saw Aneke stay relatively healthy for a ten game stretch and somehow equated Dr Will with being involved with everything that went well last year including scouting whether a potential player would be injured to our propensity to score late in matches.  It really was a little bizarre 
    We were clearly one of if not the fittest teams in L1 last season. The way we finished games on top, scoring so many late goals and conceding so few, maintaining the energy to the 96th minute. Our players went from having a worse than average injury record to a better than average one.

    Of course it wasn't just down to one person, but he was at the heart of this.
    Well quiet. From my understanding Jones Luton team were also similar in their levels of fitness and they didn’t have Will Abbott working with them.

    This is not to understate Will’s role, but there’s lots of factors playing into why we are as fit as we are - from identifying the right players, and not just physically, to having the right coaches and coaching.

    As fans we tend to look at things in such a microcosm. Will was probably exceptional at his job, but that’s not to say there won’t be others. We’ve seemed to on the whole been getting recruitment right both on and off the pitch - so personally I don’t see anything to get worried about.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick
    Falling out or no falling out, if Abbott was good at his job (and it seems he was) then processes will have been put in place that remaining staff can follow
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick
    bobmunro said:
    aliwibble said:
    BigRedEvil said:
    He's probably just found a higher paying job and that's that. No everything has to be a conspiracy 
    Very possibly, and it'll be interesting to see where he ends up next. But if you like your job and you're offered one on more money, wouldn't you go to your boss and see if they could get close to matching it? And then your boss would have to weigh up the costs of paying you more against the risks of not being able to find someone who is as good at what you do. Obviously if he's been headhunted by Man City that's a much different calculation than say QPR.

    Counter offers very rarely work out well. If the employee has taken the effort to look for, apply, and be selected for a higher paying role with another organisation it is unlikely to be just about the money. It can also breed contempt in the employee if they stay ('Why didn't they pay me that already?") and also dissatisfaction from others who think "so you have to threaten to leave to get more money". 
    Best to just thank them for their efforts and wish them well in their new role.
    On one occasion when a team member resigned, and I said "thanks for all of you've done, and congratulations on your new role" he questioned why I wasn't coming back with a counter offer and was genuinely annoyed. The reality is that people who stay on after a counter offer (which are quite rare when you are working in an environment with clear salary bands associated with a role) have already had their heads turned. 
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  • FULLERpromise
    FULLERpromise
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    I think from memory, ( I maybe wrong, can’t rember where!) he lived a long way away, would make a difference, if he had a long commute, and maybe not sustainable long term.

    I did ask him, how long it typically takes, to do a medical, when we sign a player, as fans get impatient, etc, he said about 3 hours, as an average, although I guess it depends on their medical history.
    Wants to move back up north closer to his family, cue him signing for Brighton 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam
    edited August 15
    FULLERpromise said:
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    I think from memory, ( I maybe wrong, can’t rember where!) he lived a long way away, would make a difference, if he had a long commute, and maybe not sustainable long term.

    I did ask him, how long it typically takes, to do a medical, when we sign a player, as fans get impatient, etc, he said about 3 hours, as an average, although I guess it depends on their medical history.
    Wants to move back up north closer to his family, cue him signing for Brighton 

    That faulty Dale Stephens SATNAV has a lot to answer for.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66
    eaststandmike said:
    I am not going to say too much but for me the strange one is Tracey, she is Mrs Charlton, snap her in half and Charlton will be stamped in there like a stick of rock.

    10 years at the club working with some of the scummiest owners and human beings we have encountered and all while we were languishing in League One.

     We then start to see an improvement on the ownership front, have a great season ending in promotion and then before a ball is kicked she resigns?


    Or she is of an  age / stage of life where she doesn’t want to work anymore and wants to enjoy some free time ?
  • Redskin
    Redskin
    Chunes said:
    scabbyhorse said:
    People move on to better jobs—it really is that simple. But try telling that to large parts of our fanbase, who will be currently auditioning for a group mental breakdown.

    How does one audition for a breakdown...
    1) Create CL account

    2) Possess proven ability in the commitment to forever be a turd in the punchbowl of positivity.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks
    eaststandmike said:
    I am not going to say too much but for me the strange one is Tracey, she is Mrs Charlton, snap her in half and Charlton will be stamped in there like a stick of rock.

    10 years at the club working with some of the scummiest owners and human beings we have encountered and all while we were languishing in League One.

     We then start to see an improvement on the ownership front, have a great season ending in promotion and then before a ball is kicked she resigns?


    Could have been a conversation had about whether she (from a safeguarding point of view) can do her job whilst being the mother of a member of the first team? 

    I know in other lines of work that kind of thing would be frowned upon.
  • Big William
    Big William
    thenewbie said:
    Personally I think the lizard people teamed up with the Illuminati to use 5G to activate covid vaccines and they have infiltrated our club.

    Irrefutable
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam
    thenewbie said:
    Personally I think the lizard people teamed up with the Illuminati to use 5G to activate covid vaccines and they have infiltrated our club.

    If we’re going to speculate wildly let's go wild.

    Welcome to CL David Icke, and I'm sorry your goal keeping career was ruined by a medical condition which has meant you have been on strong pain killers every since.

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  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick
    SporadicAddick said:
    bobmunro said:
    aliwibble said:
    BigRedEvil said:
    He's probably just found a higher paying job and that's that. No everything has to be a conspiracy 
    Very possibly, and it'll be interesting to see where he ends up next. But if you like your job and you're offered one on more money, wouldn't you go to your boss and see if they could get close to matching it? And then your boss would have to weigh up the costs of paying you more against the risks of not being able to find someone who is as good at what you do. Obviously if he's been headhunted by Man City that's a much different calculation than say QPR.

    Counter offers very rarely work out well. If the employee has taken the effort to look for, apply, and be selected for a higher paying role with another organisation it is unlikely to be just about the money. It can also breed contempt in the employee if they stay ('Why didn't they pay me that already?") and also dissatisfaction from others who think "so you have to threaten to leave to get more money". 
    Best to just thank them for their efforts and wish them well in their new role.
    On one occasion when a team member resigned, and I said "thanks for all of you've done, and congratulations on your new role" he questioned why I wasn't coming back with a counter offer and was genuinely annoyed. The reality is that people who stay on after a counter offer (which are quite rare when you are working in an environment with clear salary bands associated with a role) have already had their heads turned. 
    What you and @bobmunro say on this is evidently correct. However it is also correct that good businesses which rely on human talent (something football clubs and advertising agencies have in common, like it or not) try to minimise poaching of their top talent by proactively reviewing their levels of job satisfaction and performance. If they do that well, such talent is less easily lured away. In most cases the issues of such staff in "people businesses" will rarely be just the money. The big caveat here is, I'm talking about -broadly - the corporate world where the staff involved are generally highly educated. So the approach doesn't really work so well with the footballers. But with the backroom staff, it should.

    In the case of Will Abbott, we are all making assumptions that he has performed very well and deserves credit for the dramatic improvement in player availability. I emphasise "dramatic" since I've been banging on about our apparent poor performance in this area since Scott Parker missed the first month of an FAPL season after a "minor" pre-season knock- Richard Murray later conceded that there had been a real issue with resource. That's why there are IMO reasonable grounds to conclude that Will Abbott has done an exceptional job. But I readily concede that we don't know, and there may be others who deserve as much credit.

    As for the reason for his departure, I was very ready to believe that he had been poached by a bigger club. The fact that so far there is no announcement from another club, (unlike in the case of James Brayne, which came out immediately), and especially Rodwell's failure to acknowledge Abbott's contribution in anything like the glowing terms we believe he has earned, makes me feel uneasy. No more, no less, and I am sure that one way or another, we will establish facts which will clarify the circumstances.
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad
    While it is a great pity to loose Will it can be assumed that he will have left behind a good system of fitness training that the remaining staff can follow
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick
    Maybe we’re all approaching the conspiracies wrong and the departures are all gutted they can’t work with Dane Murphy 
  • carly burn
    carly burn
    edited August 15
    Wild speculation here, but could the Gather and Gather debacle have created a bit of friction?
    Here's the doctor releasing the application for a new chef at the training ground shortly after the final

    https://x.com/WillAbbott__/status/1928784700614553884?s=19
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    There’s more movement in this side of football than you’d think. I know someone who does the same job as Abbott and he’s been at about five clubs in ten years, moving between The Championship and League One, not always in the direction you’d expect. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz
    AberystwythAddick said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Tracey worked at the club during the times of Roland, Southall, Nimer, and the Paul Elliotttt fiasco so i highly doubt she's decided to leave because of NJ when we're the most stable we've been in over a decade.

    And Abbott i suspect has simply been offered a much better paid role elsewhere.
    I had hoped that too. However, no such move has been announced, and I didn't like how Rodwell "explained' the departure on Charlton TV. Stank of office politics.

    Once again, headhunter 101: Any idiot can fire people. Replacing them with better people is much, much harder.
    Well considering they hired him aswell how about we give them time to find the next person. I’ve never seen so much head loss from a group of fans over member of back room staff before 
    Are you new here then?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru
    edited August 16
    The results he and his team produced speak for themselves. He did a very professional and good job but he wasn’t a magician. There will be plenty of people out there just as good as Will Abbott and provided we do our due diligence and get the recruitment process right it should be almost a seemless transition to the next person.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    The results he and his team produced speak for themselves. He did a very professional and good job but he wasn’t a magician. There will be plenty of people out there just as good as Will Abbott and provided we do our due diligence and get the recruitment process right it should be almost a seemless transition to the next person.
    With all due respect, mate, you've clearly never had to hire in a competitive market for talent.
  • Chunes
    Chunes
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    The results he and his team produced speak for themselves. He did a very professional and good job but he wasn’t a magician. There will be plenty of people out there just as good as Will Abbott and provided we do our due diligence and get the recruitment process right it should be almost a seemless transition to the next person.
    Well, we were plagued by squad-depleting injury crises for years until Abbot discovered the issue with the training pitches and produced the fittest team in the league. If he was that easy to replace, that would've happened long before he arrived.

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