CHARLTON SIGN NEW CEO - DANE MURPHY (p13. Oh no they don’t)

killerandflash said:

Our situation is much more like Coventry,  where the stadium is owned by a less friendly party than the council 

Airman Brown said:

daveydanger said:

As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically). 

If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.

That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?

jose said:

His wiki suggests he might be part owner of Vitesse Arnhem.
I assume that is no problem according to the rules, and he is free to work at Charlton.

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

daveydanger said:

As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically). 

If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.

That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?

Do we know why they were at loggerheads?

What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?

You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.

From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.

Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.

Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.

Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".   

Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side. 

I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine. 

I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else. 

Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news. 

Airman Brown said:

Chizz said:

thenewbie said:

TheAddicks4Ever said:

Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good 

and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…

This is really good news for Charlton…

Dare I say it…
”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”

(oooh and it feels fine) 

Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.

We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.

a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley 

b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent 

Which path would you prefer? 

It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club. 

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

daveydanger said:

As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically). 

If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.

That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?

Do we know why they were at loggerheads?

What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?

You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.

From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.

Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.

Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.

Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".   

Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side. 

I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine. 

I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else. 

Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news. 

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

daveydanger said:

As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically). 

If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.

That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?

Do we know why they were at loggerheads?

What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?

You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.

From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.

Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.

Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.

Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".   

Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side. 

I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine. 

I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else. 

Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news. 

Is it?  You've seen the budget for this coming season then?

You said the same, constantly, for last season when we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division.

 Based on the ‘sustainable’ comment by GC. 

You are focussing on the wrong part of my post though. I’m curious what they fundamentally fell out over. 

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

daveydanger said:

As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically). 

If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.

That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?

Do we know why they were at loggerheads?

What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?

You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.

From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.

Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.

Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.

Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".   

Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side. 

I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine. 

I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else. 

Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news. 

Is it?  You've seen the budget for this coming season then?

You said the same, constantly, for last season when we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division.

 Based on the ‘sustainable’ comment by GC. 

You are focussing on the wrong part of my post though. I’m curious what they fundamentally fell out over. 

eastterrace6168 said:

swordfish said:

Airman Brown said:

Chizz said:

thenewbie said:

TheAddicks4Ever said:

Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good 

and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…

This is really good news for Charlton…

Dare I say it…
”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”

(oooh and it feels fine) 

Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.

We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.

a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley 

b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent 

Which path would you prefer? 

It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club. 

I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.

So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all.
Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease).
So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷‍♂️

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

daveydanger said:

As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically). 

If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.

That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?

Do we know why they were at loggerheads?

What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?

You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.

From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.

Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.

Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.

Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".   

Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side. 

I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine. 

I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else. 

Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news. 

Is it?  You've seen the budget for this coming season then?

You said the same, constantly, for last season when we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division.

 Based on the ‘sustainable’ comment by GC. 

You are focussing on the wrong part of my post though. I’m curious what they fundamentally fell out over. 

I think I answered, as far as I can, why Methven fell out with Rodwell and other senior managers but, as I said, that is just the little I have heard.  I don't think the club are going to wash their dirty linen in public much as we'd all love to see it.

"sustainable" to me is a good thing EG not spending more than we can sustain over a long period rather than "premier league or bust".

The new floodlights are another example of the club spending money rather than kicking that can down the road as has happened too often recently. 

Lastly, Carter and the other owners aren't Sandgaard.  They are not shouting the odds, they are IMHO, under promising and, so far, over delivering.

Hopefully, that continues next year, the year after and the year after that, you know, in a "sustainable" way.

eastterrace6168 said:

swordfish said:

Airman Brown said:

Chizz said:

thenewbie said:

TheAddicks4Ever said:

Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good 

and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…

This is really good news for Charlton…

Dare I say it…
”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”

(oooh and it feels fine) 

Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.

We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.

a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley 

b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent 

Which path would you prefer? 

It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club. 

I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.

So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all.
Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease).
So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷‍♂️