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Away Allocations in the Championship
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Thought / hoped he'd get bored of it or kicked out by now.Covered End said:
You're just taking the piss and I can't see why everyone can't see it.Woodwork said:
It was an aside. Not a reply.Covered End said:
The continual Millwall posts/love in were because you said you were responding to previous posts.Woodwork said:
As an aside, Millwall averaged 1,400 away fans on their return to the Championship. Albeit after only two years away. That represented 12% of the average home support at the time. Which is a good ratio (again, especially as all-ticket & members only). If Charlton have a similar ratio this coming season, that’ll be a c1,900 to 2,000 average away following.Woodwork said:
To be fair, Millwall’s away support last season represented just over 7% ratio of the average number of home fans at The Den. That’s a good ratio. Not amazing, but not awful either. It’s about the average across the EFL. Especially when you factor in the fact that all Millwall away games are all ticket & members only, the northern nature of the division last season, & that Millwall have played nine consecutive seasons of Championship football. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:Why on a Charlton forum have we got 2 Millwall fans trying to defend their awful away support - #MillwallLife again ole ole 🎶If Charlton average 16,000-17,000 home fans next season, they’d need to average c1,200 to match that ratio. I am certain that will happen in a season after promotion. But would that be the case after 8 seasons, with an all ticket & members only restrictions? Very much doubt it. Indeed, I can remember going to London derbies in the PL with my dad, where Charlton had’t sold out!Let’s be honest, compared to Leeds, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Plymouth… Millwall & Charlton fighting over away turn outs is like two bald men fighting over a comb. Pointless!
Now you are replying to your own Millwall posts FFS!
You are blatantly obsessed.
We don't want to here about your obsession.
Post it on their forum.
I would, but Millwall fans aren’t that interested in stats. Charlton fans are. The amount of times I have seen it get lairy in pubs as Charlton & Palace fans shout insults at each other about attendances. Someone’s ribena & cheese & onion crisps went flying once.
Do one because Charlton fans aren't interested in Millwall stats either.
The post that confirmed it for me was when he started comparing performance from the turn of the century. Classic Millwall fan logic to apply selective date filters when looking at history. Think everyone's just bored of him now.2 -
Taking the piss?! Like Henry, you’ve also lived a sheltered life then.Covered End said:
You're just taking the piss and I can't see why everyone can't see it.Woodwork said:
It was an aside. Not a reply.Covered End said:
The continual Millwall posts/love in were because you said you were responding to previous posts.Woodwork said:
As an aside, Millwall averaged 1,400 away fans on their return to the Championship. Albeit after only two years away. That represented 12% of the average home support at the time. Which is a good ratio (again, especially as all-ticket & members only). If Charlton have a similar ratio this coming season, that’ll be a c1,900 to 2,000 average away following.Woodwork said:
To be fair, Millwall’s away support last season represented just over 7% ratio of the average number of home fans at The Den. That’s a good ratio. Not amazing, but not awful either. It’s about the average across the EFL. Especially when you factor in the fact that all Millwall away games are all ticket & members only, the northern nature of the division last season, & that Millwall have played nine consecutive seasons of Championship football. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:Why on a Charlton forum have we got 2 Millwall fans trying to defend their awful away support - #MillwallLife again ole ole 🎶If Charlton average 16,000-17,000 home fans next season, they’d need to average c1,200 to match that ratio. I am certain that will happen in a season after promotion. But would that be the case after 8 seasons, with an all ticket & members only restrictions? Very much doubt it. Indeed, I can remember going to London derbies in the PL with my dad, where Charlton had’t sold out!Let’s be honest, compared to Leeds, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Plymouth… Millwall & Charlton fighting over away turn outs is like two bald men fighting over a comb. Pointless!
Now you are replying to your own Millwall posts FFS!
You are blatantly obsessed.
We don't want to here about your obsession.
Post it on their forum.
I would, but Millwall fans aren’t that interested in stats. Charlton fans are. The amount of times I have seen it get lairy in pubs as Charlton & Palace fans shout insults at each other about attendances. Someone’s ribena & cheese & onion crisps went flying once.
Do one because Charlton fans aren't interested in Millwall stats either.I was comparing & contrasting a stat that someone else brought up. That is not trolling or taking the piss. You can say it’s not interesting. But that’s like everything in life. I simply ignore posts / topics that I don’t personally find interesting.The only thing I am taking the piss out of is myself… for being the sad case quoting these geeky stats. Hardly makes me look cool, does it 🤷🏻♂️0 -
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The main reason they’re not interested in stats is because they are embarrassing - almost as embarrassing as your ‘backstory’Woodwork said:
It was an aside. Not a reply.Covered End said:
The continual Millwall posts/love in were because you said you were responding to previous posts.Woodwork said:
As an aside, Millwall averaged 1,400 away fans on their return to the Championship. Albeit after only two years away. That represented 12% of the average home support at the time. Which is a good ratio (again, especially as all-ticket & members only). If Charlton have a similar ratio this coming season, that’ll be a c1,900 to 2,000 average away following.Woodwork said:
To be fair, Millwall’s away support last season represented just over 7% ratio of the average number of home fans at The Den. That’s a good ratio. Not amazing, but not awful either. It’s about the average across the EFL. Especially when you factor in the fact that all Millwall away games are all ticket & members only, the northern nature of the division last season, & that Millwall have played nine consecutive seasons of Championship football. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:Why on a Charlton forum have we got 2 Millwall fans trying to defend their awful away support - #MillwallLife again ole ole 🎶If Charlton average 16,000-17,000 home fans next season, they’d need to average c1,200 to match that ratio. I am certain that will happen in a season after promotion. But would that be the case after 8 seasons, with an all ticket & members only restrictions? Very much doubt it. Indeed, I can remember going to London derbies in the PL with my dad, where Charlton had’t sold out!Let’s be honest, compared to Leeds, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Plymouth… Millwall & Charlton fighting over away turn outs is like two bald men fighting over a comb. Pointless!
Now you are replying to your own Millwall posts FFS!
You are blatantly obsessed.
We don't want to here about your obsession.
Post it on their forum.
I would, but Millwall fans aren’t that interested in stats. Charlton fans are. The amount of times I have seen it get lairy in pubs as Charlton & Palace fans shout insults at each other about attendances. Someone’s ribena & cheese & onion crisps went flying once.1 -
I'm pretty sure you have to go back a few years for the last time Leeds failed to sell out an away game.ElfsborgAddick said:MillwallFan said:
They’ve got little supporters clubs all over the country. You see all sorts of Leeds flags, south coast whites, Romford whites, Derbyshire whites, loads of them. Glory hunters left over from their 70’s heydays or second generation glory huntersElfsborgAddick said:CombeMartin said:There's a lot of Leeds fans down here. Last year I was on a train to Leeds from Kings X on a Sunday. I was getting off at Doncaster for an exhibition, but it was packed with Leeds fans because they were at home.
More often than not when we have been playing at Elland Road, there has been more Leeds on the train from London than Charlton.
Whilst I don't particularly like going to Leeds and am still scarred from '87, I have to say that they have one of the best away followings in the country. When they have nothing to play for they still take thousands, fair play tbf.
No matter what division they're in, the day/time of kick off, how well or how badly they're doing, PL, championship, league one, they sell out everywhere they go.
Sunderland's support is really good too, especially given the distances they have to travel. But of course they are both huge clubs with massive support and belong in the Premier league.
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We get it - your upset that the stats don’t read well for millwall so u r now trying to convince us that stats are for saddo’s - why bother? honestly take a look at yourself - if u were slightly humorous it might be worth it but your just embarrassing and probably gonna cause a problem for the other 2 who post on here, if u aren’t themWoodwork said:
Taking the piss?! Like Henry, you’ve also lived a sheltered life then.Covered End said:
You're just taking the piss and I can't see why everyone can't see it.Woodwork said:
It was an aside. Not a reply.Covered End said:
The continual Millwall posts/love in were because you said you were responding to previous posts.Woodwork said:
As an aside, Millwall averaged 1,400 away fans on their return to the Championship. Albeit after only two years away. That represented 12% of the average home support at the time. Which is a good ratio (again, especially as all-ticket & members only). If Charlton have a similar ratio this coming season, that’ll be a c1,900 to 2,000 average away following.Woodwork said:
To be fair, Millwall’s away support last season represented just over 7% ratio of the average number of home fans at The Den. That’s a good ratio. Not amazing, but not awful either. It’s about the average across the EFL. Especially when you factor in the fact that all Millwall away games are all ticket & members only, the northern nature of the division last season, & that Millwall have played nine consecutive seasons of Championship football. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:Why on a Charlton forum have we got 2 Millwall fans trying to defend their awful away support - #MillwallLife again ole ole 🎶If Charlton average 16,000-17,000 home fans next season, they’d need to average c1,200 to match that ratio. I am certain that will happen in a season after promotion. But would that be the case after 8 seasons, with an all ticket & members only restrictions? Very much doubt it. Indeed, I can remember going to London derbies in the PL with my dad, where Charlton had’t sold out!Let’s be honest, compared to Leeds, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Plymouth… Millwall & Charlton fighting over away turn outs is like two bald men fighting over a comb. Pointless!
Now you are replying to your own Millwall posts FFS!
You are blatantly obsessed.
We don't want to here about your obsession.
Post it on their forum.
I would, but Millwall fans aren’t that interested in stats. Charlton fans are. The amount of times I have seen it get lairy in pubs as Charlton & Palace fans shout insults at each other about attendances. Someone’s ribena & cheese & onion crisps went flying once.
Do one because Charlton fans aren't interested in Millwall stats either.I was comparing & contrasting a stat that someone else brought up. That is not trolling or taking the piss. You can say it’s not interesting. But that’s like everything in life. I simply ignore posts / topics that I don’t personally find interesting.The only thing I am taking the piss out of is myself… for being the sad case quoting these geeky stats. Hardly makes me look cool, does it 🤷🏻♂️1 -
Is it true that you cant buy a ticket for a Millwall away game without having a season ticket or being a member? Do they have to pay for membership or just be on the club's database? Seems fanciful to me tbh. Just curious, not having a dig at our resident Lions.0
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It’s a price all their fans have to pay for a few who want to bounce about pretending to want a fight - that’s lifeYTS1978 said:Is it true that you cant buy a ticket for a Millwall away game without having a season ticket or being a member? Do they have to pay for membership or just be on the club's database? Seems fanciful to me tbh. Just curious, not having a dig at our resident Lions.1 -
Went to Rochdale away in the 70s. I seem to remember that the gate was less than a thousand.HastingsRed said:
When I was going regularly to away games....late 70's till we left the Valley, 2-300 was pretty much the norm when we played up north.Braziliance said:
Blimey, I'm not sure what the lowest turnout I've been a part of has been.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Should sell them all out. The demand was 50k at Wembley.
14% of our Wembley demand to sell out Blackburn away. Easily done.
I realise you are joking, but I have been there when we have taken 200.
Barnsley away we tend not to do too well. Port Vale last season seemed quite empty.
Just hoping the excitement of the championship encourages more people to go.0 -
850 16th March 1974.redbuttle said:
Went to Rochdale away in the 70s. I seem to remember that the gate was less than a thousand.HastingsRed said:
When I was going regularly to away games....late 70's till we left the Valley, 2-300 was pretty much the norm when we played up north.Braziliance said:
Blimey, I'm not sure what the lowest turnout I've been a part of has been.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Should sell them all out. The demand was 50k at Wembley.
14% of our Wembley demand to sell out Blackburn away. Easily done.
I realise you are joking, but I have been there when we have taken 200.
Barnsley away we tend not to do too well. Port Vale last season seemed quite empty.
Just hoping the excitement of the championship encourages more people to go.0 -
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Yes it’s true. Was bought in after the play off riot in 2001 and has never been rescinded. And yes you have to pay for the membership. I’m a season ticket holder so not totally sure but I think the memberships are £35 now for the season. Even kids have to be members, or ‘junior lions’ as their membership scheme is called.YTS1978 said:Is it true that you cant buy a ticket for a Millwall away game without having a season ticket or being a member? Do they have to pay for membership or just be on the club's database? Seems fanciful to me tbh. Just curious, not having a dig at our resident Lions.0 -
Thanks mate.MrOneLung said:To be fair, Millwallfan and BBW (not seen him post recently) have been on here years and are not wind up merchants, have donated to Upbeats etc and helped out other posters on this site.
Often post interesting insights to the dark side as well
I for one welcome them on here1 -
Operation Pig.HastingsRed said:
Wonder if the Sheff Wed fan come's back on here...Piggy something I think his name was.Covered End said:
So do I, because they don't over post are reasonable and know where to "draw the line" as to what is acceptable to the majority.MrOneLung said:To be fair, Millwallfan and BBW (not seen him post recently) have been on here years and are not wind up merchants, have donated to Upbeats etc and helped out other posters on this site.
Often post interesting insights to the dark side as well
I for one welcome them on here3 -
Blackburn - 724preston - 845
wrexham - 1150
stoke - 1425
derby - 1284
swansea - 1095
west brom - 1800
Birmingham - 2200
cov - 1750
bristol c - 2200
Saints - 2500
pompey - 2200
oxford - 1500
qpr - 2500
scum - 2500
Ipswich - 2044
Watford - 2200
norwich - 1303
Leicester - 2100
hull - 880
boro - 6950 -
Tbf you start them young over thereMillwallFan said:
Yes it’s true. Was bought in after the play off riot in 2001 and has never been rescinded. And yes you have to pay for the membership. I’m a season ticket holder so not totally sure but I think the memberships are £35 now for the season. Even kids have to be members, or ‘junior lions’ as their membership scheme is called.YTS1978 said:Is it true that you cant buy a ticket for a Millwall away game without having a season ticket or being a member? Do they have to pay for membership or just be on the club's database? Seems fanciful to me tbh. Just curious, not having a dig at our resident Lions.
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???paulsturgess said:Blackburn - 724preston - 845
wrexham - 1150
stoke - 1425
derby - 1284
swansea - 1095
west brom - 1800
Birmingham - 2200
cov - 1750
bristol c - 2200
Saints - 2500
pompey - 2200
oxford - 1500
qpr - 2500
scum - 2500
Ipswich - 2044
Watford - 2200
norwich - 1303
Leicester - 2100
hull - 880
boro - 695
Some context would be helpful.4 -
I would guess our last following at each club.TellyTubby said:
???paulsturgess said:Blackburn - 724preston - 845
wrexham - 1150
stoke - 1425
derby - 1284
swansea - 1095
west brom - 1800
Birmingham - 2200
cov - 1750
bristol c - 2200
Saints - 2500
pompey - 2200
oxford - 1500
qpr - 2500
scum - 2500
Ipswich - 2044
Watford - 2200
norwich - 1303
Leicester - 2100
hull - 880
boro - 695
Some context would be helpful.0 -
Can't be as we sold out 1300 at Wrexham and sold out Birmingham which was just under 2k.guinnessaddick said:
I would guess our last following at each club.TellyTubby said:
???paulsturgess said:Blackburn - 724preston - 845
wrexham - 1150
stoke - 1425
derby - 1284
swansea - 1095
west brom - 1800
Birmingham - 2200
cov - 1750
bristol c - 2200
Saints - 2500
pompey - 2200
oxford - 1500
qpr - 2500
scum - 2500
Ipswich - 2044
Watford - 2200
norwich - 1303
Leicester - 2100
hull - 880
boro - 695
Some context would be helpful.
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Mid 70s - less than a coach load down at the Dell in the game before they beat Man Utd in the cup final. The “ Agro Daddy” tried to keep spirits up by telling us more would be coming on the train… they didn’t. About the same period we often met with Spurs at Euston and their numbers were no better than ours but Chelsea used to fill the whole concourse.redbuttle said:
Went to Rochdale away in the 70s. I seem to remember that the gate was less than a thousand.HastingsRed said:
When I was going regularly to away games....late 70's till we left the Valley, 2-300 was pretty much the norm when we played up north.Braziliance said:
Blimey, I'm not sure what the lowest turnout I've been a part of has been.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Should sell them all out. The demand was 50k at Wembley.
14% of our Wembley demand to sell out Blackburn away. Easily done.
I realise you are joking, but I have been there when we have taken 200.
Barnsley away we tend not to do too well. Port Vale last season seemed quite empty.
Just hoping the excitement of the championship encourages more people to go.1 -
I'm guessing it's a prediction of how many we will take. Bit premature before the fixtures have come out, Hull could be mid week.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Can't be as we sold out 1300 at Wrexham and sold out Birmingham which was just under 2k.guinnessaddick said:
I would guess our last following at each club.TellyTubby said:
???paulsturgess said:Blackburn - 724preston - 845
wrexham - 1150
stoke - 1425
derby - 1284
swansea - 1095
west brom - 1800
Birmingham - 2200
cov - 1750
bristol c - 2200
Saints - 2500
pompey - 2200
oxford - 1500
qpr - 2500
scum - 2500
Ipswich - 2044
Watford - 2200
norwich - 1303
Leicester - 2100
hull - 880
boro - 695
Some context would be helpful.1 -
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We see it.Covered End said:
You're just taking the piss and I can't see why everyone can't see it.Woodwork said:
It was an aside. Not a reply.Covered End said:
The continual Millwall posts/love in were because you said you were responding to previous posts.Woodwork said:
As an aside, Millwall averaged 1,400 away fans on their return to the Championship. Albeit after only two years away. That represented 12% of the average home support at the time. Which is a good ratio (again, especially as all-ticket & members only). If Charlton have a similar ratio this coming season, that’ll be a c1,900 to 2,000 average away following.Woodwork said:
To be fair, Millwall’s away support last season represented just over 7% ratio of the average number of home fans at The Den. That’s a good ratio. Not amazing, but not awful either. It’s about the average across the EFL. Especially when you factor in the fact that all Millwall away games are all ticket & members only, the northern nature of the division last season, & that Millwall have played nine consecutive seasons of Championship football. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:Why on a Charlton forum have we got 2 Millwall fans trying to defend their awful away support - #MillwallLife again ole ole 🎶If Charlton average 16,000-17,000 home fans next season, they’d need to average c1,200 to match that ratio. I am certain that will happen in a season after promotion. But would that be the case after 8 seasons, with an all ticket & members only restrictions? Very much doubt it. Indeed, I can remember going to London derbies in the PL with my dad, where Charlton had’t sold out!Let’s be honest, compared to Leeds, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Plymouth… Millwall & Charlton fighting over away turn outs is like two bald men fighting over a comb. Pointless!
Now you are replying to your own Millwall posts FFS!
You are blatantly obsessed.
We don't want to here about your obsession.
Post it on their forum.
I would, but Millwall fans aren’t that interested in stats. Charlton fans are. The amount of times I have seen it get lairy in pubs as Charlton & Palace fans shout insults at each other about attendances. Someone’s ribena & cheese & onion crisps went flying once.
Do one because Charlton fans aren't interested in Millwall stats either.3 -
I think the trend of taking big numbers to away games, or at least being expected to take big numbers everywhere (and being called ‘tinpot’ if you don’t) is a relatively new one.NelsonsFU said:
Mid 70s - less than a coach load down at the Dell in the game before they beat Man Utd in the cup final. The “ Agro Daddy” tried to keep spirits up by telling us more would be coming on the train… they didn’t. About the same period we often met with Spurs at Euston and their numbers were no better than ours but Chelsea used to fill the whole concourse.redbuttle said:
Went to Rochdale away in the 70s. I seem to remember that the gate was less than a thousand.HastingsRed said:
When I was going regularly to away games....late 70's till we left the Valley, 2-300 was pretty much the norm when we played up north.Braziliance said:
Blimey, I'm not sure what the lowest turnout I've been a part of has been.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Should sell them all out. The demand was 50k at Wembley.
14% of our Wembley demand to sell out Blackburn away. Easily done.
I realise you are joking, but I have been there when we have taken 200.
Barnsley away we tend not to do too well. Port Vale last season seemed quite empty.
Just hoping the excitement of the championship encourages more people to go.Obviously you had certain clubs who took big numbers everywhere back in the day, the likes of Leeds, Man U, Chelsea. But they weren’t the norm. most clubs would only take big numbers away if it was a local game, or there was a lot riding on a certain game. (And bare in mind this was the days before we had play offs and a lot of these games were dead rubbers with a third of the season remaining.)I mean we took 400 up to Leeds for a midweek game this season, a few weeks after playing there in the cup (and taking over 2000 there for that). In the past, for a club of our size, that would’ve been seen as a fairly decent turn out, taking in to consideration the circumstances. But we got pelters for it at the time 🤷🏻0 -
I only went to one out of the four midweek home matches. Even as a season ticket holder for Charlton it’s hard to convince myself to go and be back home after midnight, when I can watch it on TV.Definitely think the new Sky deal will dramatically reduce home/away numbers for the midweek matches IMO for almost every club. Hard to justify sorting accommodation/travel and missing time of work for a midweek match when can just watch it on TV instead.0
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MillwallFan said:
I think the trend of taking big numbers to away games, or at least being expected to take big numbers everywhere (and being called ‘tinpot’ if you don’t) is a relatively new one.NelsonsFU said:
Mid 70s - less than a coach load down at the Dell in the game before they beat Man Utd in the cup final. The “ Agro Daddy” tried to keep spirits up by telling us more would be coming on the train… they didn’t. About the same period we often met with Spurs at Euston and their numbers were no better than ours but Chelsea used to fill the whole concourse.redbuttle said:
Went to Rochdale away in the 70s. I seem to remember that the gate was less than a thousand.HastingsRed said:
When I was going regularly to away games....late 70's till we left the Valley, 2-300 was pretty much the norm when we played up north.Braziliance said:
Blimey, I'm not sure what the lowest turnout I've been a part of has been.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Should sell them all out. The demand was 50k at Wembley.
14% of our Wembley demand to sell out Blackburn away. Easily done.
I realise you are joking, but I have been there when we have taken 200.
Barnsley away we tend not to do too well. Port Vale last season seemed quite empty.
Just hoping the excitement of the championship encourages more people to go.Obviously you had certain clubs who took big numbers everywhere back in the day, the likes of Leeds, Man U, Chelsea. But they weren’t the norm. most clubs would only take big numbers away if it was a local game, or there was a lot riding on a certain game. (And bare in mind this was the days before we had play offs and a lot of these games were dead rubbers with a third of the season remaining.)I mean we took 400 up to Leeds for a midweek game this season, a few weeks after playing there in the cup (and taking over 2000 there for that). In the past, for a club of our size, that would’ve been seen as a fairly decent turn out, taking in to consideration the circumstances. But we got pelters for it at the time 🤷🏻
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Very few fans travelled by car nearly always coach or train . Think our supporters club man usually had about 120 tickets. my first long away cost £5 return to Carlisle on the train. To put it into perspective that was about the same cost as a southern region weekly Bexley - London season ticket and was 1/4 of my weekly wage2
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I love the logic that you can prevent antisocial behaviour by ensuring that everyone in the crowd is definitely a Millwall supporter.5
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Ha. I think the main reason thought it was the club were covering themselvesUboat said:I love the logic that you can prevent antisocial behaviour by ensuring that everyone in the crowd is definitely a Millwall supporter.0 -
Yes but don't forget it's the selfish rich people like you that have devastated the world and caused the younger generation to be living in poverty todayNelsonsFU said:Very few fans travelled by car nearly always coach or train . Think our supporters club man usually had about 120 tickets. my first long away cost £5 return to Carlisle on the train. To put it into perspective that was about the same cost as a southern region weekly Bexley - London season ticket and was 1/4 of my weekly wage
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Kinda wished Id spent it all on tech gadgets,designer clothes, foreign holidays and South American recreational products.1
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I think they do it because Millwall have a minority that will travel for certain games and cause trouble. Every club has this to different degrees, but Millwall definitely have a larger minority than most and a history and reputation to prove it.MillwallFan said:
Ha. I think the main reason thought it was the club were covering themselvesUboat said:I love the logic that you can prevent antisocial behaviour by ensuring that everyone in the crowd is definitely a Millwall supporter.1
