Nathan Jones speculation - Cawley says indications are no chance Jones going to Cardiff (p20)

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

Woodwork said:

Danny Addick said:

RC_CAFC said:

There’s no way Jones has spent the last 18 months, working his nuts off to restore his reputation and get himself back into the championship to go straight back into league one for anyone. 

Can we have the football back please 🙏 

Would be very strange indeed. 

Not if he sees the writing on the wall. 

Not saying this is what is happening, but making the point that nothing is impossible in football. The wage budget is currently at least less than half every other team in the Championship. Without significant investment, Charlton could come straight back down. Whereas, he could lead Cardiff City straight back up & have double or more his current budget when back in the Championship. 

He certainly doesn’t lack belief in his abilities. But is pretty fragile ego wise. He may think the season could be a struggle & Charlton fans will quickly be on his back again. Whereas at Cardiff City he could play the home boy hero turning the club around. 

Again, not saying that is the case at all. But it’s what the post on the Plymouth forum suggests (oh the irony 😂). And nothing would surprise me in football. Nothing. 

Well, yeah, but the club just doubled its revenue. Roland was the only one who thought you could just use the extra to offset the operating loss and still stay up. It’s reasonable to suppose the current ownership has more interest in what happens next than he did.

My worry though is Rodwell will be the next  CEO and hence not enough NEW thinking generally. 

i think rodwell's days at charlton r numbered - wouldn't be surprised if he leaves soon 

I’d be surprised if NJ left now, even for his boyhood club Cardiff. He’s just got out of League One, can’t see him wanting to go back there so soon. Add in the fact Tan is a twat too. At Charlton he’s got the autonomy he wants, he’s in charge. And he keeps banging on about us all buying into the project, a project that doesn’t end with just getting out of League One.

What this may do is actually strengthen his hand with the owners and the budget may be increased to head off any interest. Either way I think he’s not going anywhere.

Pelling1993 said:

Where’s all this “he’s got a bad budget for next season” come from other than fake in the know merchants?

People are so damaged by previous regimes that they can't see how any owner would want to sensibly invest for the club to progress. 

Braziliance said:

Even though I think it would be a backwards move, and it would be ridiculous after what he has achieved. If he is approached and they are willing to pay, he's gone imo.

He has left Luton twice with arguably more of a connection to them than us for better opportunities and if he's a man of his word, he would leave for Cardiff, hard to ignore this quote.

I think from his comments recently he’ll stay regardless.
Their owner is a looney and he learned a lot from his Southampton and stoke experience 

Nathan wants Chapple to head up a new recruitment team, Chapple joins.

I'm actually struggling to think of a manager that has EVER dropped down a division having just been promoted? Has it happened before?

Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.

With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,

I hope that ‘no chance whatsoever that he’s leaving’ isn’t the new ‘relax - everyone who wants a ticket will get one’. 

Enter the summer silly season ! No football, just transfer and manager speculation, so here we go 2 months of, who may come & who may leave.....One person i can't see moving is Nathan. Not to Vincent Tans Cardiff thats for sure, an owner who really understands the fans turning Cardiff blue kit to a red kit? 

‘The budget’ a thing that’s living rent free in peoples head already 

Nobody knows what the budget is. It seems to me Jones has a close relationship with the owners and when we were struggling he asked them to trust him and back him and they did.  We are clearly not going to have the biggest budget in the Championship but the intention is surely to get out of it from the top end or else why buy the club? I would expect the budget to factor in Jones' abilities but give him a realistic chance of working his magic.

He will probably have his chance of managing Cardiff down the line, but the time is clearly not now. If Jones was at another club, he may well have been sacked in December and then Charlton would just be an addition to his failures. He was given time and used it brilliantly but his failures, Stoke and Southampton, he wasn't given time and the question has to be asked, would he have turned things round if he was. I think probably. Basically, he is smart enough to know that he has to see the project through. He has momentum and some great young players as a platform.

All of this speculation is probably a good thing, as it is a reminder that we can't go into the Championship with a Roland mindset. 

Look, he’s not going to Cardiff. Look, he’s taking Charlton to the Premier League.

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

How can he?  God is on our side!

God is our co pilot

RC_CAFC said:

brownbear said:

I'm actually struggling to think of a manager that has EVER dropped down a division having just been promoted? Has it happened before?

Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.

With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,

I remember Dave Challinor leaving Hartlepool a few years ago having just got them promoted to league 2 to join Stockport back in the National league, but that’s the best I can do.

Because Stockport are minted. Cardiff aren’t and are on a decline. 

Next season there are 4 Championship clubs with parachute money, one is Leicester who have all sorts of FFP issues; one is Sheffield United who's parachute payments have just massively reduced having missed the jump straight back up and will need to sell.

There is a chance for a team without those parachute payments to go up.  Why not us...

Or NJ can go to Cardiff and play Burton and Doncaster. 

It isn't happening and if it did then I would question his decision making so much I would be happy he isn't here any more!

Stu_of_Kunming said:

How has this made 7 pages.

Utter madness. 

I suspect it will make many many more too. Until Cardiff appoint a new manager this will bubble under. I have little doubt that Jones is their target and why wouldn’t he be. He’s unlikely to make any public statements so until it’s resolved I think it’s comment worthy. As unlikely as it appears, there are none of us that are 100% certain of the outcome.