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Climate Emergency
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Interested in understanding how cheap 'really cheap' is for solar panels?fenlandaddick said:Battery has no requirement for service. And a 10 year warranty with guarantee on capacity from TeslaSolar panels have 5 year warranty.3 year warranty on workmanship for the install with an insurance backed guarantee from HEIS.Only reason to spend more would be damage or to upgrade the panels.If there was a problem with cabling would need an electrician out after 3 years. But that would be true of cables already in house.Panels over time will start to produce less, but my sister has a solar install that is 11 years old and she has not noticed any significant drop in output.0 -
We put in Solar about 18 months ago. Cost was around £8k. based on reduced use (currently using around 1/3 of the electricity from the grid we were using) and export of excess to the grid we will have covered the cost in about 5 years.cafcnick1992 said:
Interested in understanding how cheap 'really cheap' is for solar panels?fenlandaddick said:Battery has no requirement for service. And a 10 year warranty with guarantee on capacity from TeslaSolar panels have 5 year warranty.3 year warranty on workmanship for the install with an insurance backed guarantee from HEIS.Only reason to spend more would be damage or to upgrade the panels.If there was a problem with cabling would need an electrician out after 3 years. But that would be true of cables already in house.Panels over time will start to produce less, but my sister has a solar install that is 11 years old and she has not noticed any significant drop in output.
We have 14 panels and the relevant electrical stuff that goes alongside it. We are in a townhouse so the scaffold cost was a little higher than on standard size houses, we also have panels on both sides of the roof so needed more scaffolding as well.We didn’t get a battery at the time as it would have meant less panels and we wanted to maximise the generation capacity. I reckon that with a battery of the right capacity we would likely use nothing off the grid for about 8 months of the year.2 -
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Interested in understanding how cheap 'really cheap' is for solar panels?fenlandaddick said:Battery has no requirement for service. And a 10 year warranty with guarantee on capacity from TeslaSolar panels have 5 year warranty.3 year warranty on workmanship for the install with an insurance backed guarantee from HEIS.Only reason to spend more would be damage or to upgrade the panels.If there was a problem with cabling would need an electrician out after 3 years. But that would be true of cables already in house.Panels over time will start to produce less, but my sister has a solar install that is 11 years old and she has not noticed any significant drop in output.Anywhere from 50-60 quid each from suppliers +VAT. If you jump on the major electric suppliers sites they also have online tools to let you build out your system to get an idea of installation cost.You could get contractors in to do the work. Make sure the system is MCS registered. Just need scaffolding, roofers and electricians.0 -
Check if your local authority is running a scheme as you get a sizeable discount and all of the arranging is done for you.fenlandaddick said:cafcnick1992 said:
Interested in understanding how cheap 'really cheap' is for solar panels?fenlandaddick said:Battery has no requirement for service. And a 10 year warranty with guarantee on capacity from TeslaSolar panels have 5 year warranty.3 year warranty on workmanship for the install with an insurance backed guarantee from HEIS.Only reason to spend more would be damage or to upgrade the panels.If there was a problem with cabling would need an electrician out after 3 years. But that would be true of cables already in house.Panels over time will start to produce less, but my sister has a solar install that is 11 years old and she has not noticed any significant drop in output.Anywhere from 50-60 quid each from suppliers +VAT. If you jump on the major electric suppliers sites they also have online tools to let you build out your system to get an idea of installation cost.You could get contractors in to do the work. Make sure the system is MCS registered. Just need scaffolding, roofers and electricians.1 -
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Check if your local authority is running a scheme as you get a sizeable discount and all of the arranging is done for you.fenlandaddick said:cafcnick1992 said:
Interested in understanding how cheap 'really cheap' is for solar panels?fenlandaddick said:Battery has no requirement for service. And a 10 year warranty with guarantee on capacity from TeslaSolar panels have 5 year warranty.3 year warranty on workmanship for the install with an insurance backed guarantee from HEIS.Only reason to spend more would be damage or to upgrade the panels.If there was a problem with cabling would need an electrician out after 3 years. But that would be true of cables already in house.Panels over time will start to produce less, but my sister has a solar install that is 11 years old and she has not noticed any significant drop in output.Anywhere from 50-60 quid each from suppliers +VAT. If you jump on the major electric suppliers sites they also have online tools to let you build out your system to get an idea of installation cost.You could get contractors in to do the work. Make sure the system is MCS registered. Just need scaffolding, roofers and electricians.
Had some organisation in at work the other day offering help. I think linked to this scheme https://www.gov.uk/green-deal-energy-saving-measures . Covers insulation , glazing as well as solar etc.2 -
Scary feedback loops happening all over the place.
Seem similar saying the oceans are absorbing less too as they are reaching capacity. These are the sort of thing that are meaning we are 10-20 years ahead of what was predicted even a few years ago.
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I think the oil giants feel they've weathered the green storm now, that they have the green light to persist with fossil fuel extraction. Worldwide systemic change and overarching co-ordination is required meet this challenge, but as not enough people in the world care enough about the planet to make it a priority, it'll soon be too late, if it isn't already.3
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It is sad to think that the children of today are going to be living in a very different world, if they can live at all. History will judge those who have chosen the pursuit of money over the health and welfare of all who live on the planet.
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If you want to avoid being affected by global climate change, you should have the good sense to ensure you've already been born.0
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The global air passenger volume for 2024 was around 9.5bn. That is expected to grow to 17.7bn by 2043 and 22.3bn by 2053.
Nothing we do now will significantly reduce the number of global air passengers. So our efforts need to be in (1) reducing the carbon cost of travel (eg by harnessing greener Sustainable Aviation Fuels; (2) by ensuring all flight-associated travel (eg getting to and from the airport) are, at worst, carbon zero; (3) by offsetting more greenhouse gas emissions than every flight causes; and (4) by serving the demand for the increased passenger volumes by larger-capacity aircraft (therefore more efficient on a per-passenger basis) first, rather than increasing the numbers of flights.
I think by 2053 (the end-date of that projection) global air travel will be less harmful than it is today, despite a huge growth in numbers of passengers.0 - Sponsored links:
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Not content with being a main driver of Climate Change, the oil and gas industries are ruining our seas and marine life.
https://stopoffshoredrilling.org.uk/map/?twclid=27b8czp51c5mfzy9qxlzzuylt9
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The world's largest iceberg has run aground in shallow waters off the remote British island of South Georgia, home to millions of penguins and seals.
The iceberg, which is about twice the size of Greater London, appears to be stuck and should start breaking up on the island's south-west shores.
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Pot. Kettle.SporadicAddick said:
Stay classy Jizz.Chizz said:
Have you ever considered posting with subtitles?Chippycafc said:
Dunno ask em. I don't care either way. Clarified for you....if it doesn't your will have to think of some other strange question.Chizz said:
So, just for clarification, is Rupert right to invest in the installation of solar panels? Or is Richard right that they're a massive con?Chippycafc said:How anybody here is having a pop at reform iafter the utter shambles of a government you've put in is beyond me and most sensible people.
Deflection and guilt I guess.. is it 5 or maybe 10.1 -
Who has ownership of the berg and can it be renamed as I keep expecting a traffic report when I hear it mentioned?Chizz said:The world's largest iceberg has run aground in shallow waters off the remote British island of South Georgia, home to millions of penguins and seals.
The iceberg, which is about twice the size of Greater London, appears to be stuck and should start breaking up on the island's south-west shores.
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The Croydon Bypass?swordfish said:
Who has ownership of the berg and can it be renamed as I keep expecting a traffic report when I hear it mentioned?Chizz said:The world's largest iceberg has run aground in shallow waters off the remote British island of South Georgia, home to millions of penguins and seals.
The iceberg, which is about twice the size of Greater London, appears to be stuck and should start breaking up on the island's south-west shores.
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Jeez. I hope the Penguins don't melt.Chizz said:The world's largest iceberg has run aground in shallow waters off the remote British island of South Georgia, home to millions of penguins and seals.
The iceberg, which is about twice the size of Greater London, appears to be stuck and should start breaking up on the island's south-west shores.
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Post-modernism taken to its extreme conclusionswordfish said:If we live in a world where hard facts are less meaningful to us than spin, what hope do we realistically have of solving anything?0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/12/exxon-climate-change-global-warming-research
ExxonMobil own research in the 70s that they've suppressed for decades predicted pretty close to what has actually happened.3 -
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/24/britain-net-zero-economy-booming-cbi-green-sector-jobs-energy-security
https://www.greenintelligence.org.uk/news-and-resources/news/net-zero-sector-growing-three-times-faster-than-overall-uk-economy/#:~:text=The UK's net zero sector,of economic instability, report finds.
Ohh and for those saying Net Zero is custing us. Another great bit of evidence the opposite is true. Green sector is booming. One of the fastest growing sectors in the UK and growing 3 times faster than the overall UK economy.
Once again. Not pivoting to net zero quicker is costing the eeconomy and consumers.5 -
Heard about the zero emissions VX4 vertical take off plane being developed in the UK on this morning's Wake up to Money. They're confident of gaining a licence within two years.
It is (apparently) capable of carrying 4 passengers in a smooth, quiet flight point to point.
https://youtu.be/1xgm479Lmv8 1 - Sponsored links:
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Raith_C_Chattonell said:Heard about the zero emissions VX4 vertical take off plane being developed in the UK on this morning's Wake up to Money. They're confident of gaining a licence within two years.
It is (apparently) capable of carrying 4 passengers in a smooth, quiet flight point to point.https://youtu.be/1xgm479Lmv8
They need really, really long charging cables though.0 -
Be useful for flying from London Luton to London Stanstead0
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cafcnick1992 said:Be useful for flying from London Luton to London Stanstead
with 4 passengers...0 -
They used to have G-LINK between Gatwick & Heathrow. It stopped when it's licence was revoked. If they've solved the pollution and noise problems it might be a good way forward. Think they'd need to up the capacity quite a bit though, if it's ever to be something more than a rich person's toy.cafcnick1992 said:Be useful for flying from London Luton to London Stanstead
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The Sinclair C5 never really got off the ground. Doubt this will either 😉Stig said:
They used to have G-LINK between Gatwick & Heathrow. It stopped when it's licence was revoked. If they've solved the pollution and noise problems it might be a good way forward. Think they'd need to up the capacity quite a bit though, if it's ever to be something more than a rich person's toy.cafcnick1992 said:Be useful for flying from London Luton to London Stanstead0 -
It's a good start, obviously decades from a transatlantic flight! I remember when electric cars had the top speed of a milk float and look them now.1
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They still have the range of a milk float mindFriend Or Defoe said:It's a good start, obviously decades from a transatlantic flight! I remember when electric cars had the top speed of a milk float and look them now.0 -
To be fair, it wasn't designed to fly.swordfish said:
The Sinclair C5 never really got off the ground. Doubt this will either 😉Stig said:
They used to have G-LINK between Gatwick & Heathrow. It stopped when it's licence was revoked. If they've solved the pollution and noise problems it might be a good way forward. Think they'd need to up the capacity quite a bit though, if it's ever to be something more than a rich person's toy.cafcnick1992 said:Be useful for flying from London Luton to London Stanstead3 -
Is 1992 the year of your first game, birth year or the year you live in?cafcnick1992 said:
They still have the range of a milk float mindFriend Or Defoe said:It's a good start, obviously decades from a transatlantic flight! I remember when electric cars had the top speed of a milk float and look them now.5 -
It's the year I met your mum actually. Been a happy man ever since.Friend Or Defoe said:
Is 1992 the year of your first game, birth year or the year you live in?cafcnick1992 said:
They still have the range of a milk float mindFriend Or Defoe said:It's a good start, obviously decades from a transatlantic flight! I remember when electric cars had the top speed of a milk float and look them now.6
