Everyone here is clearly waiting with baited breath for my take on the Alan Brazil issue, which no doubt will be more eloquent, intelligent and nuanced than everyone else's here. So i will deliver it.
Alan Brazil is more than likely right in the sentiment that most Man U fans and general fans don't greatly care about the women's team, this is quantifiability true by looking at viewing figures, attendances, social media interactions etc, etc.
However, what he doesn't seem to understand is that the point of putting them together isn't to say the WSL is as important to the club as the Premier League but that by putting them together and treating them as high level objectives it can help to grow the women's game which will be beneficial to the women's game and the club. The fact of the matter is the Women's game has suffered because of the success of the Men's game, now i know some knuckle draggers will say "BuT WhY Do NT WoMEN wAtch IT SImPLEs" or "iT's JuST Not AS GooD aS ThE MenS GaME ENd oF!!!!", and of course if you have an IQ in the double digits that would appear to be true but you do have to dig a little deeper -
1) women haven't been watching it because it hasn't been publicised as much in the last 20 years and beyond so you wont change that overnight.
2) It isn't as good as men's football and part of the reason is the lack of funds its received. Isn't it strange how Men's football has got a lot better over the last 30 years since the inception of the Premier league and global money. Perhaps more Women (and Men) would watch it if it got better but to better it needs more money.
Now back to Alan Brazil as said he is right on face value but the point of giving the women's game air time to be spoken about is to increase its value, would talking about it for 5 mins really be that much of a chore ? It just seems a very snowflakey thing to get upset about and make a big deal over someone talking about the women's game.
Why talk about it for 5 minutes if its not seen as relevant to the conversation they are having, which as your post rightly indicates - is about the perception of Manchester United as a club and how their fortunes are usually seen through the prism of the mens team?
If it isn't relevant to the discussion at hand, then it doesn't need to be shoehorned in.
I enjoy watching the women's game from time to time. Have been to a few Charlton matches and will watch the Lionesses when major tournaments come around. But I actually feel it hurts the women's game when it is talked about in the exact same context of the men's game. If the product is compelling enough then it will reach the level naturally where it can be part of the conversation around the success/failures of major Premier League clubs. But at the moment, it is a drop in the ocean to the overall picture at a club like Man United. Why pretend otherwise?
Set the scene - I read your comments, standing at my marble breakfast island in the kitchen, wearing a fashionable pair of loafers, some washed blue bootcut levi's, my regatta professional driving jacket matched with stone black driving gloves. I get to the end of your reply and a knowing wry smile spreads across my face as i shake my head and let out a small chuckle. Clearly I am going to have the last laugh as you haven't understood my points.
Anyway onto dismantling your opinion - Why talk about it for 5 mins ? To help grow the game, you understand that exposure is what will help grow the game, again I ask why do you think men's football has grown even larger than it was with the advent of the Premier League ? because the standard of football got better due to the exposure which equaled more money. As for the product being compelling you have to make the product compelling ? watch football from 50 years ago it was largely crap and if it was played to day compared to any of the EFL people probably wouldn't watch it.
Its not relevant to the discussion at hand ? How Manchester United have literally included the Women's team in the project that was being discussed, how is it anything else but relevant ?
Yes there will be a few snowflakes who get upset and cry when women's football is spoken about which could rile them to say more offensive things but what ? Should we never have discussed any kind of inequality because some people were against it ? Equally you could argue young girls may hear about the women's game on TV, Radio etc and decide they want to take up football, which anyone with any education (providing your education wasn't free/non-grammar) will know is beneficial to the elite level as it creates more grassroots players to go into the pipeline.
Regardless of what project was being discussed, the point he was making was about the fans' overall perception of the club.
I've never said the women's game wasn't deserving of being spoken about in order to grow the game. Just that there's no need to shoehorn it in out of context unnecessarily.
Just like you didn't need to shoehorn in your description of an insufferable sounding Nigel stood in his kitchen eating breakfast, but there you go.
Speaking of Brazil and Talksport, did you hear the run in he had with newsreader shebahn Aherne this morning? She had a similar spat with Jeff Stelling last week. She makes my teeth itch that woman. Proper anti-English as well. She was getting some serious snipes in during the Euros but because it was about 5 in the morning I doubt many heard them. I've got to the point that whenever I hear her I switch channels.
Really opened a non- binary can of worms with this one didn't I!
Everyone here is clearly waiting with baited breath for my take on the Alan Brazil issue, which no doubt will be more eloquent, intelligent and nuanced than everyone else's here. So i will deliver it.
Alan Brazil is more than likely right in the sentiment that most Man U fans and general fans don't greatly care about the women's team, this is quantifiability true by looking at viewing figures, attendances, social media interactions etc, etc.
However, what he doesn't seem to understand is that the point of putting them together isn't to say the WSL is as important to the club as the Premier League but that by putting them together and treating them as high level objectives it can help to grow the women's game which will be beneficial to the women's game and the club. The fact of the matter is the Women's game has suffered because of the success of the Men's game, now i know some knuckle draggers will say "BuT WhY Do NT WoMEN wAtch IT SImPLEs" or "iT's JuST Not AS GooD aS ThE MenS GaME ENd oF!!!!", and of course if you have an IQ in the double digits that would appear to be true but you do have to dig a little deeper -
1) women haven't been watching it because it hasn't been publicised as much in the last 20 years and beyond so you wont change that overnight.
2) It isn't as good as men's football and part of the reason is the lack of funds its received. Isn't it strange how Men's football has got a lot better over the last 30 years since the inception of the Premier league and global money. Perhaps more Women (and Men) would watch it if it got better but to better it needs more money.
Now back to Alan Brazil as said he is right on face value but the point of giving the women's game air time to be spoken about is to increase its value, would talking about it for 5 mins really be that much of a chore ? It just seems a very snowflakey thing to get upset about and make a big deal over someone talking about the women's game.
Why talk about it for 5 minutes if its not seen as relevant to the conversation they are having, which as your post rightly indicates - is about the perception of Manchester United as a club and how their fortunes are usually seen through the prism of the mens team?
If it isn't relevant to the discussion at hand, then it doesn't need to be shoehorned in.
I enjoy watching the women's game from time to time. Have been to a few Charlton matches and will watch the Lionesses when major tournaments come around. But I actually feel it hurts the women's game when it is talked about in the exact same context of the men's game. If the product is compelling enough then it will reach the level naturally where it can be part of the conversation around the success/failures of major Premier League clubs. But at the moment, it is a drop in the ocean to the overall picture at a club like Man United. Why pretend otherwise?
Set the scene - I read your comments, standing at my marble breakfast island in the kitchen, wearing a fashionable pair of loafers, some washed blue bootcut levi's, my regatta professional driving jacket matched with stone black driving gloves. I get to the end of your reply and a knowing wry smile spreads across my face as i shake my head and let out a small chuckle. Clearly I am going to have the last laugh as you haven't understood my points.
Anyway onto dismantling your opinion - Why talk about it for 5 mins ? To help grow the game, you understand that exposure is what will help grow the game, again I ask why do you think men's football has grown even larger than it was with the advent of the Premier League ? because the standard of football got better due to the exposure which equaled more money. As for the product being compelling you have to make the product compelling ? watch football from 50 years ago it was largely crap and if it was played to day compared to any of the EFL people probably wouldn't watch it.
Its not relevant to the discussion at hand ? How Manchester United have literally included the Women's team in the project that was being discussed, how is it anything else but relevant ?
Yes there will be a few snowflakes who get upset and cry when women's football is spoken about which could rile them to say more offensive things but what ? Should we never have discussed any kind of inequality because some people were against it ? Equally you could argue young girls may hear about the women's game on TV, Radio etc and decide they want to take up football, which anyone with any education (providing your education wasn't free/non-grammar) will know is beneficial to the elite level as it creates more grassroots players to go into the pipeline.
Regardless of what project was being discussed, the point he was making was about the fans' overall perception of the club.
I've never said the women's game wasn't deserving of being spoken about in order to grow the game. Just that there's no need to shoehorn it in out of context unnecessarily.
Just like you didn't need to shoehorn in your description of an insufferable sounding Nigel stood in his kitchen eating breakfast, but there you go.
*breathes out* I shake my head wearily.
It wasn't shoehorned it was literally part of the conversation regarding the project, if anything assuming you are correct regarding Alan Brazil's intentions (which is a big assumption) he was shoehorning the fans perception of the women's game.
Talking about shoehorns I own 4 different shoehorns because i have many different types of shoes - penny loafers, sneakers, cuban heels etc and your arguments are more worn than the soles of my eldest pair.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
As you full well know I am but a humble man of the people, as long as those people agree with me and are at least university educated.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.g
As you full well know I am but a humble man of the people, as long as those people agree with me and are at least university educated.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.g
As you full well know I am but a humble man of the people, as long as those people agree with me and are at least university educated.
I was laughing with you and have a masters.
All jokes aside i do appreciate everyone here, even those that can't recognize when my tongue is firmly lodged in cheek
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
Start calling you toenails, you’re so far up his arse.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
Start calling you toenails, you’re so far up his arse.
Been called worse, but worth it to be respected by the great man.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.g
As you full well know I am but a humble man of the people, as long as those people agree with me and are at least university educated.
I was laughing with you and have a masters.
All jokes aside i do appreciate everyone here, even those that can't recognize when my tongue is firmly lodged in cheek
Well that’s the end of that then - was mildly amusing
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
Start calling you toenails, you’re so far up his arse.
I have an MSc, attended grammar school and grew up holidaying in Europe. There are worse places to be Gaz.
Yes but fortunately for me I don't count the opinions of people I don't respect as being legitimate. Though everyone who is laughing with me and likes my posts I very conveniently respect.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
Start calling you toenails, you’re so far up his arse.
I have an MSc, attended grammar school and grew up holidaying in Europe. There are worse places to be Gaz.
Wow a thread on Alan Brazil that contains two of my room 101's. Women's football and dogs. Can we get tattoos, selfie sticks and onesies in I wonder?
I didn't expect you to have a couple of my 101 list. Tattoos on skin is gross, and tattoos of roses on the younger female breasts may look fine but what about in later years when the flowers wilt ! A Welsh friend of mine had the 58 letters of his birth place tattooed on his John Thomas; he said it was only when he had a fling with a barmaid did he see the full name. I said don't send a dick pic, a picture of your local train station will be more to my liking being a CAFC fan !
Dogs especially German Shepherds don't like me, they must smell my fear.
Selfie stick and onesie (I have a halfie down to my shin and great indoors in the winter) not bad shouts.
Disagree about Women's football but it may be getting over hyped now after 50 odd years of being banned when the Preston ladies attracted too big a crowd in the 1920's and taking time to be a successful pro sport over the last 20 years in England. BUT no room for Misogynistic views and great that girls/women can choose what sport they play and the elite women can now make a good living for the decade or so at football and cricket now and in the coming years.
Pretty sure people who have tattoos don't particularly give a tinker's cuss what you think they look like buddy.
Room 101 is for personal things we don't like as I'm sure you are aware 🤔
Most of the world don't give a flying fuck what you or I think about anything.
On your bike.
Should inspire a new thread ‘what three things you’d put in room 101’. No comments allowed.
Wow a thread on Alan Brazil that contains two of my room 101's. Women's football and dogs. Can we get tattoos, selfie sticks and onesies in I wonder?
I didn't expect you to have a couple of my 101 list. Tattoos on skin is gross, and tattoos of roses on the younger female breasts may look fine but what about in later years when the flowers wilt ! A Welsh friend of mine had the 58 letters of his birth place tattooed on his John Thomas; he said it was only when he had a fling with a barmaid did he see the full name. I said don't send a dick pic, a picture of your local train station will be more to my liking being a CAFC fan !
Dogs especially German Shepherds don't like me, they must smell my fear.
Selfie stick and onesie (I have a halfie down to my shin and great indoors in the winter) not bad shouts.
Disagree about Women's football but it may be getting over hyped now after 50 odd years of being banned when the Preston ladies attracted too big a crowd in the 1920's and taking time to be a successful pro sport over the last 20 years in England. BUT no room for Misogynistic views and great that girls/women can choose what sport they play and the elite women can now make a good living for the decade or so at football and cricket now and in the coming years.
Pretty sure people who have tattoos don't particularly give a tinker's cuss what you think they look like buddy.
Room 101 is for personal things we don't like as I'm sure you are aware 🤔
Most of the world don't give a flying fuck what you or I think about anything.
On your bike.
Should inspire a new thread ‘what three things you’d put in room 101’. No comments allowed.
1. Tattoos 2. Posts about tattoos 3. Prickly posts that are dismissive of posts about tattoos
Wow a thread on Alan Brazil that contains two of my room 101's. Women's football and dogs. Can we get tattoos, selfie sticks and onesies in I wonder?
I didn't expect you to have a couple of my 101 list. Tattoos on skin is gross, and tattoos of roses on the younger female breasts may look fine but what about in later years when the flowers wilt ! A Welsh friend of mine had the 58 letters of his birth place tattooed on his John Thomas; he said it was only when he had a fling with a barmaid did he see the full name. I said don't send a dick pic, a picture of your local train station will be more to my liking being a CAFC fan !
Dogs especially German Shepherds don't like me, they must smell my fear.
Selfie stick and onesie (I have a halfie down to my shin and great indoors in the winter) not bad shouts.
Disagree about Women's football but it may be getting over hyped now after 50 odd years of being banned when the Preston ladies attracted too big a crowd in the 1920's and taking time to be a successful pro sport over the last 20 years in England. BUT no room for Misogynistic views and great that girls/women can choose what sport they play and the elite women can now make a good living for the decade or so at football and cricket now and in the coming years.
Pretty sure people who have tattoos don't particularly give a tinker's cuss what you think they look like buddy.
Room 101 is for personal things we don't like as I'm sure you are aware 🤔
Most of the world don't give a flying fuck what you or I think about anything.
On your bike.
Should inspire a new thread ‘what three things you’d put in room 101’. No comments allowed.
1. Tattoos 2. Posts about tattoos 3. Prickly posts that are dismissive of posts about tattoos
Wow a thread on Alan Brazil that contains two of my room 101's. Women's football and dogs. Can we get tattoos, selfie sticks and onesies in I wonder?
I didn't expect you to have a couple of my 101 list. Tattoos on skin is gross, and tattoos of roses on the younger female breasts may look fine but what about in later years when the flowers wilt ! A Welsh friend of mine had the 58 letters of his birth place tattooed on his John Thomas; he said it was only when he had a fling with a barmaid did he see the full name. I said don't send a dick pic, a picture of your local train station will be more to my liking being a CAFC fan !
Dogs especially German Shepherds don't like me, they must smell my fear.
Selfie stick and onesie (I have a halfie down to my shin and great indoors in the winter) not bad shouts.
Disagree about Women's football but it may be getting over hyped now after 50 odd years of being banned when the Preston ladies attracted too big a crowd in the 1920's and taking time to be a successful pro sport over the last 20 years in England. BUT no room for Misogynistic views and great that girls/women can choose what sport they play and the elite women can now make a good living for the decade or so at football and cricket now and in the coming years.
Pretty sure people who have tattoos don't particularly give a tinker's cuss what you think they look like buddy.
Room 101 is for personal things we don't like as I'm sure you are aware 🤔
Most of the world don't give a flying fuck what you or I think about anything.
On your bike.
Should inspire a new thread ‘what three things you’d put in room 101’. No comments allowed.
1. Tattoos 2. Posts about tattoos 3. Prickly posts that are dismissive of posts about tattoos
If we're digging out tattoos.. Men with earrings. Anyone over 20 in skinny jeans.
Wow a thread on Alan Brazil that contains two of my room 101's. Women's football and dogs. Can we get tattoos, selfie sticks and onesies in I wonder?
I didn't expect you to have a couple of my 101 list. Tattoos on skin is gross, and tattoos of roses on the younger female breasts may look fine but what about in later years when the flowers wilt ! A Welsh friend of mine had the 58 letters of his birth place tattooed on his John Thomas; he said it was only when he had a fling with a barmaid did he see the full name. I said don't send a dick pic, a picture of your local train station will be more to my liking being a CAFC fan !
Dogs especially German Shepherds don't like me, they must smell my fear.
Selfie stick and onesie (I have a halfie down to my shin and great indoors in the winter) not bad shouts.
Disagree about Women's football but it may be getting over hyped now after 50 odd years of being banned when the Preston ladies attracted too big a crowd in the 1920's and taking time to be a successful pro sport over the last 20 years in England. BUT no room for Misogynistic views and great that girls/women can choose what sport they play and the elite women can now make a good living for the decade or so at football and cricket now and in the coming years.
Pretty sure people who have tattoos don't particularly give a tinker's cuss what you think they look like buddy.
Room 101 is for personal things we don't like as I'm sure you are aware 🤔
Most of the world don't give a flying fuck what you or I think about anything.
On your bike.
Should inspire a new thread ‘what three things you’d put in room 101’. No comments allowed.
1. Tattoos 2. Posts about tattoos 3. Prickly posts that are dismissive of posts about tattoos
If we're digging out tattoos.. Men with earrings. Anyone over 20 in skinny jeans.
Tattoos Men with earrings/ eyebrows/ nose pierced - but especially if over 30. Men with Ponytails
also people walking around supermarkets eating stuff they haven't bought yet or ever.
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It wasn't shoehorned it was literally part of the conversation regarding the project, if anything assuming you are correct regarding Alan Brazil's intentions (which is a big assumption) he was shoehorning the fans perception of the women's game.
Talking about shoehorns I own 4 different shoehorns because i have many different types of shoes - penny loafers, sneakers, cuban heels etc and your arguments are more worn than the soles of my eldest pair.
What a man you are, rising above the nonsense from others.
;-)
2. Posts about tattoos
3. Prickly posts that are dismissive of posts about tattoos
Men with earrings.
Anyone over 20 in skinny jeans.
Men with earrings/ eyebrows/ nose pierced - but especially if over 30.
Men with Ponytails
also people walking around supermarkets eating stuff they haven't bought yet or ever.