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There are cases in the press that it ois cheaper to fly to Spain and get a return flight back to the UK than go by train. One case a couple who lived in Cornwall wanted to pick up a new car they had purchased in Crewe . t was cheaper to fly to Malaga and then get a flight back to Manchester than going by train. The journey was only 2hours longer than the rail journey. An exterm case but all the same.1
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Low cost airlines fly to airports miles from the destination and will continue to do so. London Luton and London Stansted should be investigated by advertising standards! No chance they'll start to fly from Heathrow.Dansk_Red said:One of the downside of Heathrow expansion will probably see regional airports such as Southend close as budget airlines would prefer to fly from Heathrow. There is an airport in Kent which is in mouthballs as no owner has been able to make it pay. The government should find a way to bring it back in use, but the problem is that the infrastructure is not there. The rail system into Heathrow even with the Elizabeth it is working near to capacity, there does not seem to be any mention of this, let's just build the runway and sort out the infrastructure afterwards as we did with the channel tunnel.
City are applying for an A320 license!0 -
I might be wrong, but I think at one point you could fly from City to New York0
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Via Ireland I think.cafcnick1992 said:I might be wrong, but I think at one point you could fly from City to New York0 -
It used to fly via Shannon to refuel as it was unable to take of from City with a full fuel load, the return flight was direct, as the fuel load was low enough to land safely. It never restarted after Covid.0
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That’s correct. Think it was biz class only too.cafcnick1992 said:I might be wrong, but I think at one point you could fly from City to New York0 -
Correct, on a business class only A318. If they didn't need the stop in Ireland it probably would have been a success.Dansk_Red said:It used to fly via Shannon to refuel as it was unable to take of from City with a full fuel load, the return flight was direct, as the fuel tanks0 -
It's still amazes me that you could get to New York from London quicker in the 70s than you can in 2025.
I remember seeing Concorde flying over London when I was younger but didn't really appreciate it. I wish it was still flying now.0 -
People paying concord money prefer to travel in comfort than supersonic. Probably cheaper to fly to New York now in Business than concord in the 70s and that's not taking inflation into account.0
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Guess it depends what the reason for travel is. If it’s business, supersonic is preferable. Anyway, having a glass of most whilst travelling at 1300mph ain’t exactly slumming it!Friend Or Defoe said:People paying concord money prefer to travel in comfort than supersonic. Probably cheaper to fly to New York now in Business than concord in the 70s and that's not taking inflation into account.0 - Sponsored links:
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Is all business travel really necessary or is it an excuse for a trip at the company's expense. With video conferencing we are all much better connected and face to face discussions may not be necessary1
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We still don't know the cause of the accident and I am typing this several hours after you stated thiscafcnick1992 said:I knew someone would blame Trump for that accident. Doesn't matter that we know the helicopter ignored air traffic control warnings. It's still Trumps fault.0 -
Lots of business travel is very necessary.ME14addick said:Is all business travel really necessary or is it an excuse for a trip at the company's expense. With video conferencing we are all much better connected and face to face discussions may not be necessary
Site visits
Property inspections
Repairs and maintenance
Teaching
Air crew
Marine maintenance
Contact farming
Sales conferences
Exhibitions
Political rallies
Construction
Movie location shoots
Geographical mapping
Postal services
Sourcing products and materials
Arranging import deals
Arranging export deals
Medical services and supplies
Humanitarian aid
PR events
Fishing
Surveys
Mining
and many, many more
Including sport. Because football games are always much more fun when the opposition turns up.1 -
Do we really need to travel to watch a game of football, when it's on the tele?ME14addick said:Is all business travel really necessary or is it an excuse for a trip at the company's expense. With video conferencing we are all much better connected and face to face discussions may not be necessary3 -
Diversity hiring policy apparently according to TrumpME14addick said:
We still don't know the cause of the accident and I am typing this several hours after you stated thiscafcnick1992 said:I knew someone would blame Trump for that accident. Doesn't matter that we know the helicopter ignored air traffic control warnings. It's still Trumps fault.
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I listened live, a new low even for him.Chaz Hill said:
Diversity hiring policy apparently according to TrumpME14addick said:
We still don't know the cause of the accident and I am typing this several hours after you stated thiscafcnick1992 said:I knew someone would blame Trump for that accident. Doesn't matter that we know the helicopter ignored air traffic control warnings. It's still Trumps fault.4 -
I did question if ALL business travel was necessary, of course some will be, but if it is just talking, that can be done via a screen.Chizz said:
Lots of business travel is very necessary.ME14addick said:Is all business travel really necessary or is it an excuse for a trip at the company's expense. With video conferencing we are all much better connected and face to face discussions may not be necessary
Site visits
Property inspections
Repairs and maintenance
Teaching
Air crew
Marine maintenance
Contact farming
Sales conferences
Exhibitions
Political rallies
Construction
Movie location shoots
Geographical mapping
Postal services
Sourcing products and materials
Arranging import deals
Arranging export deals
Medical services and supplies
Humanitarian aid
PR events
Fishing
Surveys
Mining
and many, many more
Including sport. Because football games are always much more fun when the opposition turns up.
We had been discussing air travel, can't see what fishing had to do with that.
We are in a crisis and every small change helps.0 -
Don’t know about others that work internationally, but I certainly travel far less post covid. A lot of that is customer driven. It can’t disappear completely though, international projects need face to face contact or they go wrong.I imagine if you asked, a fair majority of those who have to travel for work have faced the ‘work jolly/holiday’ jibe throughout their career. It’s only what it looks like from the outside (in most cases).0
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OK, you have picked out one from the list. I can assure you that the fishing industry requires the movement of crew, goods, cargo, vessel inspection and maintenance, fisheries management, supplier equipment procurement and training, fisheries research, crew hiring, emergency response and crisis management.ME14addick said:
I did question if ALL business travel was necessary, of course some will be, but if it is just talking, that can be done via a screen.Chizz said:
Lots of business travel is very necessary.ME14addick said:Is all business travel really necessary or is it an excuse for a trip at the company's expense. With video conferencing we are all much better connected and face to face discussions may not be necessary
Site visits
Property inspections
Repairs and maintenance
Teaching
Air crew
Marine maintenance
Contact farming
Sales conferences
Exhibitions
Political rallies
Construction
Movie location shoots
Geographical mapping
Postal services
Sourcing products and materials
Arranging import deals
Arranging export deals
Medical services and supplies
Humanitarian aid
PR events
Fishing
Surveys
Mining
and many, many more
Including sport. Because football games are always much more fun when the opposition turns up.
We had been discussing air travel, can't see what fishing had to do with that.
We are in a crisis and every small change helps.
Business travel in the fishing sector is an estimated 500,000 flights a year.1 -
Really hope the A320s fly from City. Such a good airport. Going to Berlin out of there next month having been to Milan Linate, Rome and Florence out of there in the past couple months. Love the BA Embraer 190s.
They tend to fly to small business airports which means that the commute at the other side is shorter too.
Read an interesting article on the standard (I'll cite my references rather than pasting other people's work as my own
) about some (and this is anecdotal 100% not data) people going back to meat because they feel like the climate is already defeated and seeing all the stuff going on at the moment is making loads of people switch to veganism etc, while some already in the lifestyle now viewing it as futile!
I have to admit, given the binary view of a lot of those pushing for change to lifestyles being so absolute rather than marginal, I'm inclined to go the same way, and @cafcnick1992 definitely gave me pause for thought the other day about tradeoffs, ie choosing to make the population poorer in order to push this stuff. Certainly gave me more pause for thought than some of the condescending tones on here.
As always, the message of those who are correct are so often delivered by self righteous arseholes. If the climate lobby could nail that, I reckon more people would listen.5 - Sponsored links:
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The message is not what people want to hear though because the lifestyle changes recommended do inconvenience them. Makes no difference how you dress it up. It sucks either way.Huskaris said:Really hope the A320s fly from City. Such a good airport. Going to Berlin out of there next month having been to Milan Linate, Rome and Florence out of there in the past couple months. Love the BA Embraer 190s.
They tend to fly to small business airports which means that the commute at the other side is shorter too.
Read an interesting article on the standard (I'll cite my references rather than pasting other people's work as my own ) about some (and this is anecdotal 100% not data) people going back to meat because they feel like the climate is already defeated and seeing all the stuff going on at the moment is making loads of people switch to veganism etc, while some already in the lifestyle now viewing it as futile!
I have to admit, given the binary view of a lot of those pushing for change to lifestyles being so absolute rather than marginal, I'm inclined to go the same way, and @cafcnick1992 definitely gave me pause for thought the other day about tradeoffs, ie choosing to make the population poorer in order to push this stuff. Certainly gave me more pause for thought than some of the condescending tones on here.
As always, the message of those who are correct are so often delivered by self righteous arseholes. If the climate lobby could nail that, I reckon more people would listen.
The message of the science is clear, so people can choose to act on it or not. The government will make us act on it in some ways, such as the EV transition, and I'm sure future generations everywhere will be poorer in the end having to pay for the consequence of us allowing the climate emergency to worsen, but I choose to take responsibility for my own actions.
It's the best I can do, and If that makes me a self righteous arsehole, then I plead guilty, but I feel no shame in it because I'd rather be that than be selfish and help ruin others futures.
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The Courts overturning those new gas fields in Scotland is disappointing. We're so desperate to keep energy expensive its unreal.1
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You've made this claim 20 odd times in the last few weeks but refused to answer whenever challenged on it.cafcnick1992 said:The Courts overturning those new gas fields in Scotland is disappointing. We're so desperate to keep energy expensive its unreal.
So for one final time. Can you explain how moving to rebewables which costs 70-80% less than gas is making energy more expensive?
It's gas thats driving our high energy prices through our outdated marginal pricing mechanism which has also allowed blatant profiteering in the energy sector during the energy crisis (also driven by gas) over and above their previous profits which were already legally defined as economically excess profits by the CMA.8 -
Some may view it as futile but that's not the vorw of scientists. Yes there are tipping points but they also say that every 0.1 degree of warming prevented is millions of lives saved. That's what we have to remember and keep doing all we can. As well as using the signalling effects of our decisions to influence corporations and governments.Huskaris said:Really hope the A320s fly from City. Such a good airport. Going to Berlin out of there next month having been to Milan Linate, Rome and Florence out of there in the past couple months. Love the BA Embraer 190s.
They tend to fly to small business airports which means that the commute at the other side is shorter too.
Read an interesting article on the standard (I'll cite my references rather than pasting other people's work as my own ) about some (and this is anecdotal 100% not data) people going back to meat because they feel like the climate is already defeated and seeing all the stuff going on at the moment is making loads of people switch to veganism etc, while some already in the lifestyle now viewing it as futile!
I have to admit, given the binary view of a lot of those pushing for change to lifestyles being so absolute rather than marginal, I'm inclined to go the same way, and @cafcnick1992 definitely gave me pause for thought the other day about tradeoffs, ie choosing to make the population poorer in order to push this stuff. Certainly gave me more pause for thought than some of the condescending tones on here.
As always, the message of those who are correct are so often delivered by self righteous arseholes. If the climate lobby could nail that, I reckon more people would listen.
Can you provide anything that backs up the bit in bold. It's a claim that originated in Tufton Street and was popularised by Liz Truss' government and is now the official line of reform. But I've yet to see anyone put any logic to the claim let alone any evidence.3 -
You think that's bad, you should hear what Trump himself said.cafcnick1992 said:I knew someone would blame Trump for that accident. Doesn't matter that we know the helicopter ignored air traffic control warnings. It's still Trumps fault.8 -
Are pure price comparisons valid at all currently though?cantersaddick said:
You've made this claim 20 odd times in the last few weeks but refused to answer whenever challenged on it.cafcnick1992 said:The Courts overturning those new gas fields in Scotland is disappointing. We're so desperate to keep energy expensive its unreal.
So for one final time. Can you explain how moving to rebewables which costs 70-80% less than gas is making energy more expensive?
It's gas thats driving our high energy prices through our outdated marginal pricing mechanism which has also allowed blatant profiteering in the energy sector during the energy crisis (also driven by gas) over and above their previous profits which were already legally defined as economically excess profits by the CMA.
I had understood the current pricing model ( no doubt now outdated) has evolved since privatisation and since the advent of renewables and particularly includes subsidies to encourage investment in renewables and infrastructure. In other words it is hugely complex meaning we aren’t comparing like with like.All we know is that in future renewables will logically be cheaper / easier to generate and therefore very logical to use. Not sure the end price for consumers is the way to look at it or likely to reduce in the near term if sadly.1 -
All of whom are backed by the fossil fuel industries and worried that they will lose their ability to make billions.cantersaddick said:
Some may view it as futile but that's not the vorw of scientists. Yes there are tipping points but they also say that every 0.1 degree of warming prevented is millions of lives saved. That's what we have to remember and keep doing all we can. As well as using the signalling effects of our decisions to influence corporations and governments.Huskaris said:Really hope the A320s fly from City. Such a good airport. Going to Berlin out of there next month having been to Milan Linate, Rome and Florence out of there in the past couple months. Love the BA Embraer 190s.
They tend to fly to small business airports which means that the commute at the other side is shorter too.
Read an interesting article on the standard (I'll cite my references rather than pasting other people's work as my own ) about some (and this is anecdotal 100% not data) people going back to meat because they feel like the climate is already defeated and seeing all the stuff going on at the moment is making loads of people switch to veganism etc, while some already in the lifestyle now viewing it as futile!
I have to admit, given the binary view of a lot of those pushing for change to lifestyles being so absolute rather than marginal, I'm inclined to go the same way, and @cafcnick1992 definitely gave me pause for thought the other day about tradeoffs, ie choosing to make the population poorer in order to push this stuff. Certainly gave me more pause for thought than some of the condescending tones on here.
As always, the message of those who are correct are so often delivered by self righteous arseholes. If the climate lobby could nail that, I reckon more people would listen.
Can you provide anything that backs up the bit in bold. It's a claim that originated in Tufton Street and was popularised by Liz Truss' government and is now the official line of reform. But I've yet to see anyone put any logic to the claim let alone any evidence.2 -
Hey Canters, thanks for responding in a kinder manner.cantersaddick said:
Some may view it as futile but that's not the vorw of scientists. Yes there are tipping points but they also say that every 0.1 degree of warming prevented is millions of lives saved. That's what we have to remember and keep doing all we can. As well as using the signalling effects of our decisions to influence corporations and governments.Huskaris said:Really hope the A320s fly from City. Such a good airport. Going to Berlin out of there next month having been to Milan Linate, Rome and Florence out of there in the past couple months. Love the BA Embraer 190s.
They tend to fly to small business airports which means that the commute at the other side is shorter too.
Read an interesting article on the standard (I'll cite my references rather than pasting other people's work as my own ) about some (and this is anecdotal 100% not data) people going back to meat because they feel like the climate is already defeated and seeing all the stuff going on at the moment is making loads of people switch to veganism etc, while some already in the lifestyle now viewing it as futile!
I have to admit, given the binary view of a lot of those pushing for change to lifestyles being so absolute rather than marginal, I'm inclined to go the same way, and @cafcnick1992 definitely gave me pause for thought the other day about tradeoffs, ie choosing to make the population poorer in order to push this stuff. Certainly gave me more pause for thought than some of the condescending tones on here.
As always, the message of those who are correct are so often delivered by self righteous arseholes. If the climate lobby could nail that, I reckon more people would listen.
Can you provide anything that backs up the bit in bold. It's a claim that originated in Tufton Street and was popularised by Liz Truss' government and is now the official line of reform. But I've yet to see anyone put any logic to the claim let alone any evidence.
I'll link you to the below if that's ok.
https://pkf-francisclark.co.uk/services/tax-advice/green-taxes/#:~:text=Green taxes raised £52.5 billion in the UK in 2023&text=Green taxes are applied to,change behaviours and raise revenues
The headline is that green taxes raised £52.5bn in 2023. That is obviously cash extracted from the economy.
Now I'm not saying that it's not necessary, but it is definitely a trade off in my opinion. It's all about getting the balance right rather than binary black and white in my opinion.
The problem I see in public discourse is it's either the kind of idiots who have the heating on full with the windows open, driving a car that could invade a small country to drop Tarquin off at school, vs insufferable attention seeking crusties saying we have to change all our lives as of right now or we are destroying the planet.
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I'd be very interested to hear how producing more natural gas makes energy more expensive than making no natural gas. You can produce natural gas and renewable energy, so there isn't an opportunity cost argument either. Even if the gas produced is sold overseas, some of it will remain in the UK.cantersaddick said:
You've made this claim 20 odd times in the last few weeks but refused to answer whenever challenged on it.cafcnick1992 said:The Courts overturning those new gas fields in Scotland is disappointing. We're so desperate to keep energy expensive its unreal.
So for one final time. Can you explain how moving to rebewables which costs 70-80% less than gas is making energy more expensive?
It's gas thats driving our high energy prices through our outdated marginal pricing mechanism which has also allowed blatant profiteering in the energy sector during the energy crisis (also driven by gas) over and above their previous profits which were already legally defined as economically excess profits by the CMA.
I've said many times that I have no issue moving to renewables, as long as there is sufficient supply of "dirty" energy to keep energy affordable during the transition. Gas isn't making our energy expensive, it's the insufficient capacity of renewable energy that hurts us. It's been well publicised that there's a national gas shortage which makes us criminally reliant on imported energy which is very expensive.1 -
Trump shouldn't be commenting until the investigation has taken its course.Friend Or Defoe said:
You think that's bad, you should hear what Trump himself said.cafcnick1992 said:I knew someone would blame Trump for that accident. Doesn't matter that we know the helicopter ignored air traffic control warnings. It's still Trumps fault.2
