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I said in that piece. I'll get into the accuracy/reliance of those in a sec but they aren't relevant to the point I was making.queensland_addick said:
Really, here's some:cantersaddick said:
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".Redskin said:
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable.Leuth said:
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'Redskin said:
Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
https://www.power-technology.com/news/china-permitting-two-coal-fired-power-plants-per-week/?cf-view
Record downpours in Southern California 11 months ago:
https://abc7.com/storm-rain-totals-in-southern-california/14388316/
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
1) the stat whilst not untrue is completely out of context and is quite out of date. China is also closing coal AND gas power stations at a record rate and replacing with green energy and are on track to fully decarbonise power well before the west. They are investing more into this than the US and Europe combined.
2) yes the previous rainy season in California saw almost double the usual levels of rainfall. This one though has seen almost 0 rain for the last 8 months -less than a tenth of an inch or 0.02% of their expected amount. Its almost like this demonstrates climate change in that the increasing extremes are happening that we were told would happen.3 -
Pot. Meet kettle.queensland_addick said:
Really, here's some:cantersaddick said:
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".Redskin said:
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable.Leuth said:
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'Redskin said:
Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
https://www.power-technology.com/news/china-permitting-two-coal-fired-power-plants-per-week/?cf-view
Record downpours in Southern California 11 months ago:
https://abc7.com/storm-rain-totals-in-southern-california/14388316/
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
We do engage with debate but when one side is backed by science and evidence and the other only lies and conspiracy with no credible sources it ends pretty quick. People have been particularly patient with you on this thread explaining and evidencing thing over and over. There is actually plenty of balance and debate on this thread. But when certain overarching principles that are objective facts are questioned it rather breaks down.
When did critical evaluation of the source of the information stop becoming a skill?. Information not backed by science and evidence should rightly be written off.
B.t.w. social media and the MSM weren't "deliberately suppressing conservative view" they were preventing the spread of misinformation (also known as lies). The fact that ot disproportionately affected conservative views isn't about censorship it was maybe a prompt that conservative views should look into themselves and reflect on the truth of them. The fact that it has stopped doing so isn't a good thing.
But no of course the billionaires that own the media and social media are are all personally promoting hard right and far right views is definitely proof they were anti conservative. The cognitive dissonance required here is hilarious.6 -
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
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It's attractive to know someone that others don't, it gives you a sense of superiority. There's behind the scenes stuff which you can't disclose and views that go against the majority that you can flaunt to show how special you are. There's misinformation the Met police spread in the 90s and have confessed to making up that is still getting spread today. The ones too deep into it you can't engage with, as their ego's are too fragile to admit to being wrong.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.3 -
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.3 -
To throw a bit of positive information out there.
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It’s very much about the west in particular maintaining the status quo at all costs. There are billionaires and multi millionaires and multi nationals with a completely vested interest in having “conservative” right and hard right authoritarian governments. I believe the rise of the right wing all over the world is funded and driven by this group of people. Much of the worlds mega rich rely on the traditional revenue streams of fossil fuels and the need to have that continue at all costs. The last thing this group want is progressive, democratic governments with progressive ideas. What’s this political point got to do with the climate emergency ? I’d suggest everything because the Trumps and Farages of this world couldn’t give two hoots about the planet.5
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I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.0 -
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.Friend Or Defoe said:
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.2 -
My son in law believes all that nonsense as well.ShootersHillGuru said:
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.Friend Or Defoe said:
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
But as he's Millwall I expected him to be thick as shit.
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@queensland_addick, I'm trying to think if we've had any poster on here who doesn't believe the climate is warming, and that humans burning fossil fuels isn't increasing the concentration of C02 in the atmosphere, even though more comes from earths natural processes. Only one called us all mugs and said it was a hoax, without being able to offer credible scientific evidence to support his claim though.
So no, there's virtually no disagreement about that and you said so yourself. That's why the debate on here is more about who should be doing what, where and by when. We don't all agree on that as outcomes are not guaranteed, and it's also why COP summits are held every year with countries signed up to meeting net zero targets to stop us adding to it.
I question our capability to achieve that though, and don't believe reducing C02 emissions alone will be enough to have the desired effect, but we should try. I'm pessimistic about our prospects and think we're probably past some of the tipping points already, but that's an opinion unsupported by irrefutable evidence as yet.
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cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.My brother's the same. Goes all in as long as it's not what the majority thinks. Covid is a hoax so Bill Gates can get a nanochip into your bloodstream, Pizzagate was real, The Great Reset, World Government and the death of civil liberty, MSM is run by Big Woke, Putin had no choice but to invade Ukraine because NATO are mean, amplifying whatever horseshit Russell Brand says now (but hating him when he was a metrosexual comedian). It's a troubling thing to witness and sadly in the end all you can do is edge yourself away.I'd recommend Behind the Bastards on the Nazi conversation (and for everything, it's great) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/part-one-how-nice-normal-people-made-the-holocaust-possible/id1373812661?i=1000494574174
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It's been more than four years since Margaret Keenan became - at the age of 90 - the first person in the world to get the Covid jab. Bill Gates is either useless or incredibly secretive. Because, what has he actually done now that he's had full control of her since then?3
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What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
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I see it as an increasing population means we are having to lose more and more places like this in order to build more housing, factories schools and various other things.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
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She probably thinks JFK wasn't LHO as well. Nutter.ShootersHillGuru said:
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.Friend Or Defoe said:
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.0 -
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1880745649500754431/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1880745649500754431¤tTweetUser=CitizenFreePrescantersaddick said:
Pot. Meet kettle.queensland_addick said:
Really, here's some:cantersaddick said:
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".Redskin said:
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable.Leuth said:
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'Redskin said:
Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
https://www.power-technology.com/news/china-permitting-two-coal-fired-power-plants-per-week/?cf-view
Record downpours in Southern California 11 months ago:
https://abc7.com/storm-rain-totals-in-southern-california/14388316/
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
We do engage with debate but when one side is backed by science and evidence and the other only lies and conspiracy with no credible sources it ends pretty quick. People have been particularly patient with you on this thread explaining and evidencing thing over and over. There is actually plenty of balance and debate on this thread. But when certain overarching principles that are objective facts are questioned it rather breaks down.
When did critical evaluation of the source of the information stop becoming a skill?. Information not backed by science and evidence should rightly be written off.
B.t.w. social media and the MSM weren't "deliberately suppressing conservative view" they were preventing the spread of misinformation (also known as lies). The fact that ot disproportionately affected conservative views isn't about censorship it was maybe a prompt that conservative views should look into themselves and reflect on the truth of them. The fact that it has stopped doing so isn't a good thing.
But no of course the billionaires that own the media and social media are are all personally promoting hard right and far right views is definitely proof they were anti conservative. The cognitive dissonance required here is hilarious.2 -
I love this our side is full of facts from scientists and evidence but your side is fed from disinformation (reminds me of a certain shock jock and his gullible listeners) even though Nobel prizewinning scientists dont agree with them.queensland_addick said:
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1880745649500754431/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1880745649500754431¤tTweetUser=CitizenFreePrescantersaddick said:
Pot. Meet kettle.queensland_addick said:
Really, here's some:cantersaddick said:
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".Redskin said:
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable.Leuth said:
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'Redskin said:
Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
https://www.power-technology.com/news/china-permitting-two-coal-fired-power-plants-per-week/?cf-view
Record downpours in Southern California 11 months ago:
https://abc7.com/storm-rain-totals-in-southern-california/14388316/
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
We do engage with debate but when one side is backed by science and evidence and the other only lies and conspiracy with no credible sources it ends pretty quick. People have been particularly patient with you on this thread explaining and evidencing thing over and over. There is actually plenty of balance and debate on this thread. But when certain overarching principles that are objective facts are questioned it rather breaks down.
When did critical evaluation of the source of the information stop becoming a skill?. Information not backed by science and evidence should rightly be written off.
B.t.w. social media and the MSM weren't "deliberately suppressing conservative view" they were preventing the spread of misinformation (also known as lies). The fact that ot disproportionately affected conservative views isn't about censorship it was maybe a prompt that conservative views should look into themselves and reflect on the truth of them. The fact that it has stopped doing so isn't a good thing.
But no of course the billionaires that own the media and social media are are all personally promoting hard right and far right views is definitely proof they were anti conservative. The cognitive dissonance required here is hilarious.
Reminds me of a certain thread called brexit. Those experts (and fortunately some of the posters) soon disappeared once it was done.
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We can't look at the climate emergency without taking our natural world into account, when pieces of land that support rare species are lost, biodiversity suffers. Biodiversity is essential for humans as well, each species plays its part in a healthy ecosystem.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
Please read the following link which explains why.
https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/science/climate-issues/biodiversity
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Yes that's true, that's why we need to make sure that the land we build on is not to the detriment of the natural world. The planning rules already state that biodiversity must be improved if a development goes ahead, but all too often this is not properly enforced. Land which has rare species should not be developed.blackpool72 said:
I see it as an increasing population means we are having to lose more and more places like this in order to build more housing, factories schools and various other things.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
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Yes I agree with you.ME14addick said:
Yes that's true, that's why we need to make sure that the land we build on is not to the detriment of the natural world. The planning rules already state that biodiversity must be improved if a development goes ahead, but all too often this is not properly enforced. Land which has rare species should not be developed.blackpool72 said:
I see it as an increasing population means we are having to lose more and more places like this in order to build more housing, factories schools and various other things.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
Unfortunately Angela Rayner may not.2 -
Chippy, your 'side' isn't full of facts, the view of the vast majority of scientists is that the current rate of climate change is man made. It shouldn't be about 'sides' this isn't a football game, we all need to work together.Chippycafc said:
I love this our side is full of facts from scientists and evidence but your side is fed from disinformation (reminds me of a certain shock jock and his gullible listeners) even though Nobel prizewinning scientists dont agree with them.queensland_addick said:
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1880745649500754431/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1880745649500754431¤tTweetUser=CitizenFreePrescantersaddick said:
Pot. Meet kettle.queensland_addick said:
Really, here's some:cantersaddick said:
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".Redskin said:
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable.Leuth said:
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'Redskin said:
Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
https://www.power-technology.com/news/china-permitting-two-coal-fired-power-plants-per-week/?cf-view
Record downpours in Southern California 11 months ago:
https://abc7.com/storm-rain-totals-in-southern-california/14388316/
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
We do engage with debate but when one side is backed by science and evidence and the other only lies and conspiracy with no credible sources it ends pretty quick. People have been particularly patient with you on this thread explaining and evidencing thing over and over. There is actually plenty of balance and debate on this thread. But when certain overarching principles that are objective facts are questioned it rather breaks down.
When did critical evaluation of the source of the information stop becoming a skill?. Information not backed by science and evidence should rightly be written off.
B.t.w. social media and the MSM weren't "deliberately suppressing conservative view" they were preventing the spread of misinformation (also known as lies). The fact that ot disproportionately affected conservative views isn't about censorship it was maybe a prompt that conservative views should look into themselves and reflect on the truth of them. The fact that it has stopped doing so isn't a good thing.
But no of course the billionaires that own the media and social media are are all personally promoting hard right and far right views is definitely proof they were anti conservative. The cognitive dissonance required here is hilarious.
Reminds me of a certain thread called brexit. Those experts (and fortunately some of the posters) soon disappeared once it was done.
Arrogance is astonishing.
Threads about Brexit were closed down, that's why they disappeared.2 -
Whenever we discuss such things she always falls back on the phrase “join the dots”. Trying to get her to put meat on the bones of the various conspiracies is tortuous. The one that amuses me most is that and I quote “they’re spraying us like bugs”. The fact that the spraying by commercial jets (chem trails) would require the complicity of delivery drivers, airport technicians, cabin crew, engineers and pilots who would also be spraying their own families is something she’s never been able to explain. I think the conspiracy theorists have a deep mental issue with trust. I’ll also say that mostly they have a poor understanding of science and what science is and are mischievously being preyed on by influencers for their own ends or amusement. It’s actually very sad and concerning.SporadicAddick said:
She probably thinks JFK wasn't LHO as well. Nutter.ShootersHillGuru said:
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.Friend Or Defoe said:
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.1 -
ME14addick said:
Yes that's true, that's why we need to make sure that the land we build on is not to the detriment of the natural world. The planning rules already state that biodiversity must be improved if a development goes ahead, but all too often this is not properly enforced. Land which has rare species should not be developed.blackpool72 said:
I see it as an increasing population means we are having to lose more and more places like this in order to build more housing, factories schools and various other things.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
Isn't the land we build on, and the processes and resources exploited to build, always detrimental to the natural world? Just in some areas more harm is caused than in others, and we're learning how to mitigate the effects. Do we have 'net zero' accredited house builders yet? I'm not being facetious. Just curious.
On population, more people means more demand for food, including meat, which requires land to grow feed grain, which could otherwise be used to grow crops to feed the population, as could the land free-range animals are reared on if we stopped eating meat, thus helping eliminate world hunger. The oceans are already overfished too, with some species depleted below a sustainable level.
If the population continues to grow, I do wonder how it can possibly be sustained without negatively impacting the natural environment and worsening the effects of climate change.
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I see such posts on social media all too frequently, if you dare to challenge them, their answer is that your brain has been affected by the chemicals or vaccines.ShootersHillGuru said:
Whenever we discuss such things she always falls back on the phrase “join the dots”. Trying to get her to put meat on the bones of the various conspiracies is tortuous. The one that amuses me most is that and I quote “they’re spraying us like bugs”. The fact that the spraying by commercial jets (chem trails) would require the complicity of delivery drivers, airport technicians, cabin crew, engineers and pilots who would also be spraying their own families is something she’s never been able to explain. I think the conspiracy theorists have a deep mental issue with trust. I’ll also say that mostly they have a poor understanding of science and what science is and are mischievously being preyed on by influencers for their own ends or amusement. It’s actually very sad and concerning.SporadicAddick said:
She probably thinks JFK wasn't LHO as well. Nutter.ShootersHillGuru said:
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.Friend Or Defoe said:
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.cantersaddick said:
Sadly my father is one of those people.Garrymanilow said:It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
It was a different topic, but yesterday I reported a comment on Facebook as 'hate speech' and was successful in it being taken down.2 -
Here’s the rub. Population and demand drives emissions and emissions drive climate change. Eventually climate change will make some areas uninhabitable and some areas we now rely on to produce our food not able to do so. The two combined along with mass migrations will cause starvations and conflicts and the population will inevitably decrease. Not near yet but I’m thinking not as far away as we might hope. An apocalyptic scenario but I don’t think it’s outlandish to assume it’s almost inevitable.swordfish said:ME14addick said:
Yes that's true, that's why we need to make sure that the land we build on is not to the detriment of the natural world. The planning rules already state that biodiversity must be improved if a development goes ahead, but all too often this is not properly enforced. Land which has rare species should not be developed.blackpool72 said:
I see it as an increasing population means we are having to lose more and more places like this in order to build more housing, factories schools and various other things.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
Isn't the land we build on, and the processes and resources exploited to build, always detrimental to the natural world? Just in some areas more harm is caused than in others, and we're learning how to mitigate the effects. Do we have 'net zero' accredited house builders yet? I'm not being facetious. Just curious.
On population, more people means more demand for food, including meat, which requires land to grow feed grain, which could otherwise be used to grow crops to feed the population, helping eliminate world hunger. The oceans are already overfished too, with some species depleted below a sustainable level.
If the population continues to grow, I do wonder how it can possibly be sustained without negatively impacting the natural environment and worsening the effects of climate change.3 -
I agree that population does have a big impact and we are using up more of the planet's resources. Its difficult to immediately do anything about population increases, without taking action that it unacceptable to most people.swordfish said:ME14addick said:
Yes that's true, that's why we need to make sure that the land we build on is not to the detriment of the natural world. The planning rules already state that biodiversity must be improved if a development goes ahead, but all too often this is not properly enforced. Land which has rare species should not be developed.blackpool72 said:
I see it as an increasing population means we are having to lose more and more places like this in order to build more housing, factories schools and various other things.SporadicAddick said:
What's this got to do with climate emergency?ME14addick said:This is what we are up against:
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/dark-day-nature?fbclid=IwY2xjawH4bfVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHYFbgZHNUIH_D4PI2fLblBVtUWxrZ-0xUmkPjpm7K1ZIWxHYsFV5JyN8IA_aem_Mk-NMjlA4JWi1gmmbGNyqQKent Wildlife Trust has expressed deep disappointment and serious concerns for wildlife following the approval of a planning application for a new bike factory by manufacturer Brompton.
The factory, which will be built on the South Willesborough Dykes Local Wildlife Site, was approved on Wednesday, January 15th, despite widespread concern over the impact on this ecologically significant area.
While Brompton has announced plans to invest £100 million in creating new wetland habitat as part of the development, Kent Wildlife Trust has say that such measures cannot compensate for the loss of an irreplaceable natural corridor. This site, part of the Ashford Green Corridor, serves as a critical haven for a diverse array of wildlife, including protected species like dormice, great crested newts, and several bat species, as well as numerous birds and aquatic invertebrates.
Isn't the land we build on, and the processes and resources exploited to build, always detrimental to the natural world? Just in some areas more harm is caused than in others, and we're learning how to mitigate the effects. Do we have 'net zero' accredited house builders yet? I'm not being facetious. Just curious.
On population, more people means more demand for food, including meat, which requires land to grow feed grain, which could otherwise be used to grow crops to feed the population, as could the land free-range animals are reared on if we stopped eating meat, thus helping eliminate world hunger. The oceans are already overfished too, with some species depleted below a sustainable level.
If the population continues to grow, I do wonder how it can possibly be sustained without negatively impacting the natural environment and worsening the effects of climate change.
Someone mentioned in an earlier post, that there is a day in the year when we use up more of our ecological resources than we can produce in one year, its called Earth Overshoot Day and it is getting earlier and earlier. We can all try to consume less and I will admit that is not easy to do, we all want more 'stuff'.
https://www.zerowastescotland.org.uk/resources/what-earth-overshoot-day
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As I've said, the 'what do we do about population increase' question is generally answered by the 'overpopulation is the only factor' brigade with 'not lift a finger when they all start dying'. Oh, and 'gunboats in UK waters'1
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Overpopulation isn't the only factor, I agree with you.Leuth said:As I've said, the 'what do we do about population increase' question is generally answered by the 'overpopulation is the only factor' brigade with 'not lift a finger when they all start dying'. Oh, and 'gunboats in UK waters'0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/18/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-splitting-time-between-skegness-and-dubai-after-partner-leaves-ukReform Party leadership not helping out much with keeping air travel down. The leader back and forth to the US and now the Deputy leader back and forwards to Dubai.1
