Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable. Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
Your arguments are always diminished by your taking up the contrary view to anything and everything mainstream. It makes you look firmly in the camp of a conspiracy nut.
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable. Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
Really, here's some:
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
I said in that piece. I'll get into the accuracy/reliance of those in a sec but they aren't relevant to the point I was making.
1) the stat whilst not untrue is completely out of context and is quite out of date. China is also closing coal AND gas power stations at a record rate and replacing with green energy and are on track to fully decarbonise power well before the west. They are investing more into this than the US and Europe combined.
2) yes the previous rainy season in California saw almost double the usual levels of rainfall. This one though has seen almost 0 rain for the last 8 months -less than a tenth of an inch or 0.02% of their expected amount. Its almost like this demonstrates climate change in that the increasing extremes are happening that we were told would happen.
Just to save everyone the click, this individual starts blaming the recent California fires on DEI hiring in fire departments and 'homelessness giving rise to arson'
In other words:This provides evidence that is contrary to my beliefs and which makes me feel uncomfortable. Therefore, I suggest a soft censorship of this and similar material from what are undoubtedly far right, oil sponsored climate deniers in order to maintain an unequivocal position on the impending climate Catastrophe by all posters on this thread.
When you say evidence what you actually mean is "opinion, misinformation and outright lies that goes against all evidence".
There isn't a shred of evidence in that piece
Really, here's some:
A new Coal Fired Power being built every week in China.
The problem with this site is that you all refuse to read, or take notice, of any information or opinion that runs contrary to your beliefs, and then try to get that person's views suppressed by denigrating or abusing them.
Rather than engaging in debate or delving deeper in order to try to uncover the truth via source documents, or media from all sides of the political spectrum (in order to try to obtain a more balanced view) you instead get your misguided and misinformed perspective reinforced by your fellow posters, all of whom appear to be on the same side of the political fence.
"Trump was a terrible president, he colluded with Russia, he started an insurrection, he told people to inject bleach, there's no way in hell he'd ever get re elected".
WRONG 🤣 (Because the American people realised that they had been repeatedly lied to, and terribly misled)
Or. "Social media and the MSM isn't deliberately suppressing Conservative voices and views".
Twitter, Facebook & the FBI weren't deliberately preventing people from knowing about that Laptop from hell (Russian Disinformation, yeh right! )
(Oh yes they were, it now turns out)
And you were all very WRONG yet again 🤣
Maybe time to start wising up?
No need to close the thread Stig because I'm bailing anyway. Thanks for the debate fellas, carry on all agreeing with each other.
Pot. Meet kettle.
We do engage with debate but when one side is backed by science and evidence and the other only lies and conspiracy with no credible sources it ends pretty quick. People have been particularly patient with you on this thread explaining and evidencing thing over and over. There is actually plenty of balance and debate on this thread. But when certain overarching principles that are objective facts are questioned it rather breaks down.
When did critical evaluation of the source of the information stop becoming a skill?. Information not backed by science and evidence should rightly be written off.
B.t.w. social media and the MSM weren't "deliberately suppressing conservative view" they were preventing the spread of misinformation (also known as lies). The fact that ot disproportionately affected conservative views isn't about censorship it was maybe a prompt that conservative views should look into themselves and reflect on the truth of them. The fact that it has stopped doing so isn't a good thing.
But no of course the billionaires that own the media and social media are are all personally promoting hard right and far right views is definitely proof they were anti conservative. The cognitive dissonance required here is hilarious.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
It's attractive to know someone that others don't, it gives you a sense of superiority. There's behind the scenes stuff which you can't disclose and views that go against the majority that you can flaunt to show how special you are. There's misinformation the Met police spread in the 90s and have confessed to making up that is still getting spread today. The ones too deep into it you can't engage with, as their ego's are too fragile to admit to being wrong.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
Sadly my father is one of those people.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
It’s very much about the west in particular maintaining the status quo at all costs. There are billionaires and multi millionaires and multi nationals with a completely vested interest in having “conservative” right and hard right authoritarian governments. I believe the rise of the right wing all over the world is funded and driven by this group of people. Much of the worlds mega rich rely on the traditional revenue streams of fossil fuels and the need to have that continue at all costs. The last thing this group want is progressive, democratic governments with progressive ideas. What’s this political point got to do with the climate emergency ? I’d suggest everything because the Trumps and Farages of this world couldn’t give two hoots about the planet.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
Sadly my father is one of those people.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
Sadly my father is one of those people.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
Sadly my father is one of those people.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
I lost a good friend who believes the government are spraying mind control chemicals into the sky! He's gone completely crackers and everyone sane has had to cut ties with him. It's very sad.
My sister in law believes the same. Chem trails, shootings in America are staged, 911. Vaccines are poison. The last one has caused a fall out with my missus. Their dad is 91 and has been persuaded not to take a flu shot. Not sensible particularly this winter.
My son in law believes all that nonsense as well. But as he's Millwall I expected him to be thick as shit. He didn't disappoint.
@queensland_addick, I'm trying to think if we've had any poster on here who doesn't believe the climate is warming, and that humans burning fossil fuels isn't increasing the concentration of C02 in the atmosphere, even though more comes from earths natural processes. I can think of only one who called us all mugs and said it was all a hoax, without being able to offer credible scientific evidence to support his claim though.
So no, there's virtually no disagreement about that and you said so yourself. That's why the debate on here centres more on who should be doing what, where and when, and we certainly don't all agree on that as the outcomes are not guaranteed, but it's why there are COP summits every year with countries signed up to meeting net zero targets, in the belief that, if nothing else, it will stop us from making things worse.
I personally question our capability to achieve that though, and don't believe reducing C02 emissions in isolation will be enough to have the desired effect,but we must try. I also think we're probably past some of the tipping points already, but that's my opinion, unsupported by irrefutable evidence as yet. I don't go in for name calling, but accept I'm a pessimistic on this thread at least.
It's really weird that the internet has created a group of people who see everyone else agreeing with each other and think 'ugh, stupid mainstream media' rather than 'wait maybe if everyone else thinks that I might be wrong'. So many fragile egos fed by misinformation.
Sadly my father is one of those people.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
My brother's the same. Goes all in as long as it's not what the majority thinks. Covid is a hoax so Bill Gates can get a nanochip into your bloodstream, Pizzagate was real, The Great Reset, World Government and the death of civil liberty, MSM is run by Big Woke, Putin had no choice but to invade Ukraine because NATO are mean, amplifying whatever horseshit Russell Brand says now (but hating him when he was a metrosexual comedian). It's a troubling thing to witness and sadly in the end all you can do is edge yourself away.
It's been more than four years since Margaret Keenan became - at the age of 90 - the first person in the world to get the Covid jab. Bill Gates is either useless or incredibly secretive. Because, what has he actually done now that he's had full control of her since then?
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1) the stat whilst not untrue is completely out of context and is quite out of date. China is also closing coal AND gas power stations at a record rate and replacing with green energy and are on track to fully decarbonise power well before the west. They are investing more into this than the US and Europe combined.
2) yes the previous rainy season in California saw almost double the usual levels of rainfall. This one though has seen almost 0 rain for the last 8 months -less than a tenth of an inch or 0.02% of their expected amount. Its almost like this demonstrates climate change in that the increasing extremes are happening that we were told would happen.
We do engage with debate but when one side is backed by science and evidence and the other only lies and conspiracy with no credible sources it ends pretty quick. People have been particularly patient with you on this thread explaining and evidencing thing over and over. There is actually plenty of balance and debate on this thread. But when certain overarching principles that are objective facts are questioned it rather breaks down.
When did critical evaluation of the source of the information stop becoming a skill?. Information not backed by science and evidence should rightly be written off.
B.t.w. social media and the MSM weren't "deliberately suppressing conservative view" they were preventing the spread of misinformation (also known as lies). The fact that ot disproportionately affected conservative views isn't about censorship it was maybe a prompt that conservative views should look into themselves and reflect on the truth of them. The fact that it has stopped doing so isn't a good thing.
But no of course the billionaires that own the media and social media are are all personally promoting hard right and far right views is definitely proof they were anti conservative. The cognitive dissonance required here is hilarious.
When I was a child he used to tell me "you can't believe everything you read on the internet" and "the internet will rot your brain". Unfortunately that's exactly what's happened to him.
I remember during my A levels a group of us having a debate with my history/politics teacher about how people in Nazi Germany were taken in or went along with it. I remember saying that my Dad was far too politically informed for that to happen to us. Unfortunately he's gone so far down the rabbit hole some of the things he spouts now wouldn't be that far out of place in Nazi Germany.
But as he's Millwall I expected him to be thick as shit.
He didn't disappoint.
So no, there's virtually no disagreement about that and you said so yourself. That's why the debate on here centres more on who should be doing what, where and when, and we certainly don't all agree on that as the outcomes are not guaranteed, but it's why there are COP summits every year with countries signed up to meeting net zero targets, in the belief that, if nothing else, it will stop us from making things worse.
I personally question our capability to achieve that though, and don't believe reducing C02 emissions in isolation will be enough to have the desired effect,but we must try. I also think we're probably past some of the tipping points already, but that's my opinion, unsupported by irrefutable evidence as yet. I don't go in for name calling, but accept I'm a pessimistic on this thread at least.