It's a shame, as there is definitely a player in there, but we have played our best football and achieved our best results without him.
Our manager doesn't seem to rate him, so if it makes room for other signings, I'm not against it anymore.
Hopefully the loan serves him well and he still has a future here. Proper sound bloke and has a fair bit of potential. I'd like to think he still has a future here.
i was told by several of the previous SMT, he was the worst professional they had ever dealt with, so yep big yes.
I don't think I've ever seen a Charlton player in my 60 years of supporting the club put less effort in than him A total waste of space.
when we shipped him off on loan to Mansfield, we inserted a clause to stop a recall or them sending him back, after a couple of months they realised why!
Something to consider with Taylor is he may be on a first team players wage and it’s clear NJ rates Coventry more highly. We paid an undisclosed fee and gave him a 3 year deal, he wasn’t a free agent who joined for a year or two to add depth. Moving him on will likely free up more budget than loaning Anderson out.
It's a shame, as there is definitely a player in there, but we have played our best football and achieved our best results without him.
Our manager don't see to rate him, so if it makes room for other signings, I'm not against it anymore.
Hopefully the loan serves him well and he still has a future here. Proper sound bloke and has a fair bit of potential. I'd like to think he still has a future here.
Yeah if he’s not going to play here give him a chance to play half a season in this league, ideally at Shrewsbury as they’re no threat, see how he does and reassess in summer
It's a shame, as there is definitely a player in there, but we have played our best football and achieved our best results without him.
Our manager don't see to rate him, so if it makes room for other signings, I'm not against it anymore.
Hopefully the loan serves him well and he still has a future here. Proper sound bloke and has a fair bit of potential. I'd like to think he still has a future here.
The "easy" outs ie sending A Campbell back, not extending Hylton's deal, possiby Potts although his contract status may differ, haven't happened or at least not yet been announced.
Asiimwe has gone out on loan but we've got Henry back so no net change.
Whether the plan is to keep Potts, Hylton or Campbell longer term or just until we get others in isn't clear.
But the point about too big a squad was repeatedly made yet we now have as many fit players, with Ramsay, Watson and Mitchell Z back, as we have had all season.
Moving on the fringe/unwanted/in need of a loan players seems to be, from the outside, holding up inward signings, a result of the need, perhaps to balance the wage bill.
On the other hand deals maybe close but negotiations continue as fees and wages are haggled over.
Kanu in theory should be an easy out as well. He's way down the pecking order now that Chuks is back and given his loan at Southend and number of appearances at league one level, i'd be amazed if we can't find him a loan.
Although I am very keen for him to get some consistent (likely L2) football, I don't want Kanu to go out on loan.
If you work on the principle that we are set up with a big lad, little lad two up front, the priority atm seems like:
Big lad - Leaburn, Chuks (sub, if fit), Ahadme, Hylton
Little lad - TC, Godden, Kanu
Either of TC or Godden gets injured, we have no option of the bench for this role. Chuks is made of glass, so is a bonus for any game and can't be planned for being able to be used. Godden has had injury problems already this season, and Leaburn still could be at risk, arguably (but fulfils both roles, potentially). TC has played a lot of football and could be somewhat at risk of injury. Ahadme can only be considered as a big lump up front and Hylton shouldn't even really be considered.
When you look at it like this, Kanu has to be kept as cover, or we will simply have to recall him back again if any of the forwards with any pace/legs get injured.
It's a shame, as there is definitely a player in there, but we have played our best football and achieved our best results without him.
Our manager don't see to rate him, so if it makes room for other signings, I'm not against it anymore.
Hopefully the loan serves him well and he still has a future here. Proper sound bloke and has a fair bit of potential. I'd like to think he still has a future here.
I think TT has been a bit unlucky in that he's a perfectly decent player, probably a good one but just not fitting into the system and not suiting the manager's style... and he's not THAT good that you'd want us to change the shape and style to suit him.
If/when he does go I expect he's got a very decent career ahead of him. It never quite worked out at Charlton but I genuinely don't think there's anyone to "blame" for that. Just bad luck.
The "easy" outs ie sending A Campbell back, not extending Hylton's deal, possiby Potts although his contract status may differ, haven't happened or at least not yet been announced.
Asiimwe has gone out on loan but we've got Henry back so no net change.
Whether the plan is to keep Potts, Hylton or Campbell longer term or just until we get others in isn't clear.
But the point about too big a squad was repeatedly made yet we now have as many fit players, with Ramsay, Watson and Mitchell Z back, as we have had all season.
Moving on the fringe/unwanted/in need of a loan players seems to be, from the outside, holding up inward signings, a result of the need, perhaps to balance the wage bill.
On the other hand deals maybe close but negotiations continue as fees and wages are haggled over.
Kanu in theory should be an easy out as well. He's way down the pecking order now that Chuks is back and given his loan at Southend and number of appearances at league one level, i'd be amazed if we can't find him a loan.
Although I am very keen for him to get some consistent (likely L2) football, I don't want Kanu to go out on loan.
If you work on the principle that we are set up with a big lad, little lad two up front, the priority atm seems like:
Big lad - Leaburn, Chuks (sub, if fit), Ahadme, Hylton
Little lad - TC, Godden, Kanu
Either of TC or Godden gets injured, we have no option of the bench for this role. Chuks is made of glass, so is a bonus for any game and can't be planned for being able to be used. Godden has had injury problems already this season, and Leaburn still could be at risk, arguably (but fulfils both roles, potentially). TC has played a lot of football and could be somewhat at risk of injury. Ahadme can only be considered as a big lump up front and Hylton shouldn't even really be considered.
When you look at it like this, Kanu has to be kept as cover, or we will simply have to recall him back again if any of the forwards with any pace/legs get injured.
If we sign a pacy TC alternative then Kanu can go out on loan
Until then I actually think we should be using Kanu more. TC keeps playing well and then flagging, Kanu should be coming on for him until we sign a more similar TC alternative
My feeling is that Jones doesn’t rate what TT does off the ball..his distribution is first rate but he can lose the ball at close quarters and his tracking back leaves a bit to be desired ...if he gets a role solely as a " quarter back " he'd be great ..in other words I think NJ thinks he's a luxury
My feeling is that Jones doesn’t rate what TT does off the ball..his distribution is first rate but he can lose the ball at close quarters and his tracking back leaves a bit to be desired ...if he gets a role solely as a " quarter back " he'd be great ..in other words I think NJ thinks he's a luxury
Perhaps he loses the ball occasionally because he tries to move us up the pitch. We have no other dead-ball delivery in the squad, even Edwards, current incumbent, is average.
My feeling is that Jones doesn’t rate what TT does off the ball..his distribution is first rate but he can lose the ball at close quarters and his tracking back leaves a bit to be desired ...if he gets a role solely as a " quarter back " he'd be great ..in other words I think NJ thinks he's a luxury
I don’t think he’s that wrong tbh. Coventry is the much better all round player, if Taylor played there we’d be much worse defensively. And Taylor isn’t the player for the more advanced roles, his game is all about getting on the ball deep but he’s not good enough defensively for that position
Thought Terry Taylor was poor when he played last season albeit he was often injured.
Better this year and clearly can take a free kick and pass the ball but still not convinced he is good enough.
If he goes on loan and gets a run of games then maybe he'll play his way into a permanent move and we'll get a small fee. If not, we free up some of his wages for a few months.
I can't bring myself to go through all of this but are we actually linked with anyone?
In regards to Campbell I think he's had one decent game vs Birmingham and that's it!
I wrote on twitter after the Preston game that I genuinely think we need to cut our losses with Gas and try and get a fee for him this window as his re-sale value will plummet come the summer. What's he on a 2 or 3 year deal?
Bolton linked with Terry Taylor.
Allan Campbell linked with a raft of Scottish teams.
We have extended contracts of Reid (keeper) and Laquretabua.
NJ has said we have a near Championship squad already so reinforced the message of a quiet window.
So quite a few "rumour/transfer/signing" related things in the last week. Just nothing particularly exciting.
Rumours threads have always been full of guff and people always get upset about it.
I've never really understood it, as if you just want to read about facts, then any sales/purchases immediately spring their own thread, so just ignore/don't bother with this one (sorry, last bit not aimed at you @agim, just a general observation)
Maybe jones should have been provided with the follow up question “if the squad is near championship quality, why are we mid table”
The fact that Jones thinks that says it all really! The man is deluded and with awful player judgement. Our current squad would come straight back down if promoted.
I can't bring myself to go through all of this but are we actually linked with anyone?
In regards to Campbell I think he's had one decent game vs Birmingham and that's it!
I wrote on twitter after the Preston game that I genuinely think we need to cut our losses with Gas and try and get a fee for him this window as his re-sale value will plummet come the summer. What's he on a 2 or 3 year deal?
Bolton linked with Terry Taylor.
Allan Campbell linked with a raft of Scottish teams.
We have extended contracts of Reid (keeper) and Laquretabua.
NJ has said we have a near Championship squad already so reinforced the message of a quiet window.
So quite a few "rumour/transfer/signing" related things in the last week. Just nothing particularly exciting.
Rumours threads have always been full of guff and people always get upset about it.
I've never really understood it, as if you just want to read about facts, then any sales/purchases immediately spring their own thread, so just ignore/don't bother with this one (sorry, last bit not aimed at you @agim, just a general observation)
Maybe jones should have been provided with the follow up question “if the squad is near championship quality, why are we mid table”
The fact that Jones thinks that says it all really! The man is deluded and with awful player judgement. Our current squad would come straight back down if promoted.
Does he really think that or is it part of building up some of players confidence? TC looks a completely different player to the one who played under Appleton for example.
I can't bring myself to go through all of this but are we actually linked with anyone?
In regards to Campbell I think he's had one decent game vs Birmingham and that's it!
I wrote on twitter after the Preston game that I genuinely think we need to cut our losses with Gas and try and get a fee for him this window as his re-sale value will plummet come the summer. What's he on a 2 or 3 year deal?
Bolton linked with Terry Taylor.
Allan Campbell linked with a raft of Scottish teams.
We have extended contracts of Reid (keeper) and Laquretabua.
NJ has said we have a near Championship squad already so reinforced the message of a quiet window.
So quite a few "rumour/transfer/signing" related things in the last week. Just nothing particularly exciting.
Rumours threads have always been full of guff and people always get upset about it.
I've never really understood it, as if you just want to read about facts, then any sales/purchases immediately spring their own thread, so just ignore/don't bother with this one (sorry, last bit not aimed at you @agim, just a general observation)
Maybe jones should have been provided with the follow up question “if the squad is near championship quality, why are we mid table”
The fact that Jones thinks that says it all really! The man is deluded and with awful player judgement. Our current squad would come straight back down if promoted.
We're not getting promoted, so you won't have to worry about that !
The question you have to ask yourself, is if we got rid of A.Campbell and Taylor, is there a player out there that can fill that gap in the squad, that's better, and net cheaper? I suspect not, so I would only get rid of 1, and for me that would be Campbell, and keep Taylor
The question you have to ask yourself, is if we got rid of A.Campbell and Taylor, is there a player out there that can fill that gap in the squad, that's better, and net cheaper? I suspect not, so I would only get rid of 1, and for me that would be Campbell, and keep Taylor
I think he’ll look for someone in a similar style to Docherty or Campbell that he sees as potentially able to play as either and 8 or a 6. Not easy to find though and a PL loanee would possibly be best in terms of their technical ability. We know Jones isn’t a fan of them though. No coincidence to me that a lot of our top performers (Ramsay, Small, Coventry, Jones) all came through PL academies or our own very high quality academy
Getting rid of Taylor, AC and Edun vastly reduces our midfield cover. Anderson, possibly Zach although untried; we need to keep one, hopefully not Campbell. Only Enslin looks capable of a step up from youths.
The question you have to ask yourself, is if we got rid of A.Campbell and Taylor, is there a player out there that can fill that gap in the squad, that's better, and net cheaper? I suspect not, so I would only get rid of 1, and for me that would be Campbell, and keep Taylor
My feeling is that Jones doesn’t rate what TT does off the ball..his distribution is first rate but he can lose the ball at close quarters and his tracking back leaves a bit to be desired ...if he gets a role solely as a " quarter back " he'd be great ..in other words I think NJ thinks he's a luxury
So do I. He is not strong enough to be a defensive mid and not quick or clever enough to be an attacking mid.
I'm sure back in August iwhen some of us stated that our transfer dealings were a bit short we were told to wait to see where we were at xmas & that we could always strengthen in January.
Now January is here we get told that the January window isn't the best time to be signing players & its more of the case of getting rid of dead wood.
Same old same old as usual. Teams around us who are serious about promotion are strengthening whilst once again we miss out on players that are better than what we have.
Said it before.....play offs are a pipe dream with this squad. A 10th place finish is about the best we'll do I'm afraid.
The only thing I would say with a PL academy loan signing is that they're likely to want them to play week in week out.
I doubt that. Premier League clubs are well aware that the kids loaned out arnt necessarily going to be first choice at league one clubs. Great if they get reasonable game time but being in and around the first team squad is a valuable learning experience. Any PL academy kids that are good enough to replace seasoned league one players are likely very hard or a lucky find and often headed for loans in The Championship.
The question you have to ask yourself, is if we got rid of A.Campbell and Taylor, is there a player out there that can fill that gap in the squad, that's better, and net cheaper? I suspect not, so I would only get rid of 1, and for me that would be Campbell, and keep Taylor
Taylor has, in patches. In fact there was a 4 or 5 game stretch (in the Vertu Trophy game and the subsequent league games) where he was one of our best players in the whole squad. Campbell hasn't shown that at any point
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It's a shame, as there is definitely a player in there, but we have played our best football and achieved our best results without him.
Our manager doesn't seem to rate him, so if it makes room for other signings, I'm not against it anymore.
Hopefully the loan serves him well and he still has a future here. Proper sound bloke and has a fair bit of potential. I'd like to think he still has a future here.
If you work on the principle that we are set up with a big lad, little lad two up front, the priority atm seems like:
- Big lad - Leaburn, Chuks (sub, if fit), Ahadme, Hylton
- Little lad - TC, Godden, Kanu
Either of TC or Godden gets injured, we have no option of the bench for this role. Chuks is made of glass, so is a bonus for any game and can't be planned for being able to be used. Godden has had injury problems already this season, and Leaburn still could be at risk, arguably (but fulfils both roles, potentially). TC has played a lot of football and could be somewhat at risk of injury. Ahadme can only be considered as a big lump up front and Hylton shouldn't even really be considered.When you look at it like this, Kanu has to be kept as cover, or we will simply have to recall him back again if any of the forwards with any pace/legs get injured.
If/when he does go I expect he's got a very decent career ahead of him. It never quite worked out at Charlton but I genuinely don't think there's anyone to "blame" for that. Just bad luck.
Until then I actually think we should be using Kanu more. TC keeps playing well and then flagging, Kanu should be coming on for him until we sign a more similar TC alternative
Hasn't set the world alight at Rochdale or during his last loan at Wealdstone.
Regardless, as it stands he's at Sparrows Lane.
Better this year and clearly can take a free kick and pass the ball but still not convinced he is good enough.
If he goes on loan and gets a run of games then maybe he'll play his way into a permanent move and we'll get a small fee. If not, we free up some of his wages for a few months.
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sam3110 said:
Now January is here we get told that the January window isn't the best time to be signing players & its more of the case of getting rid of dead wood.
Same old same old as usual. Teams around us who are serious about promotion are strengthening whilst once again we miss out on players that are better than what we have.
Said it before.....play offs are a pipe dream with this squad. A 10th place finish is about the best we'll do I'm afraid.