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Methven, Rodwell and Scott have to go NOW.
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Tchau tchau SE7J BLOCK said:
Yep, and I'll say again, no serious owners of this football club will buy without the assets, we will never be successful without them.kafka said:
Now that Airman has clarified the renewal clauses, I don't see how the Agreement can be described as excellent, other than from Duchelet's pov. It's a ticking time bomb.RonnieMoore said:
Your wrong.…… talks have taken place and its top of the agenda for the new owners but there noElfsborgAddick said:Without any ITK knowledge whatsoever, I have said all along that we'll end up leaving The Valley.This was the end game for Dushitelet, I hope I am wrong.
rush as we have an excellent agreement in place and still 9/10 years left on the lease...
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No significant club has lost their ground in decades.letthegoodtimesroll said:
But it’s not Charlton’s ground. It’s owned by somebody else. It’s a ground the club left, came back to and then eventually lost again and only plays there atm because it rents it. Other clubs have fallen on hard times and basically lost their grounds and I don’t recall an outpouring of public sympathy stopping it; and if for instance West Ham, that ‘generally well liked 🤣 PL team’ from across the river ever get moved on from the London stadium nobody outside their owners and fans will give a shit for them and probably definitely not the local electorate where the ground is located. Charlton are not a special case.killerandflash said:
For all our rivalries, football fans, and indeed sports fans as a group are a massive chunk of electorate. Allowing a reasonably well known, and generally well liked ex Premier Team to be kicked out of their ground to build houses would go down horrendously across the country.Rothko said:
Quite a few, also the politics of it will be terrible, the Mayor be it Sadiq or whoever wins for Labour next time round won't say yes.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Not sure this lot give a shit about who they upset tbh; and the housing minister will need to show a pain of pain in the constituency they’re in if they are going to put a significant squeeze on every other MP’s constituency to deliver new homes.Rothko said:yeah all that, but good luck with the politics of getting that through City Hall or when it gets to Ministers, with the housing minister being the local MP at the moment
besides, how many of the local electorate are Charlton fans ? I doubt it’s that many these days.
Clubs like Chelsea and Fulham, in much more desirable areas for housing, never got kicked out of their ground back in the 80s when football was far less popular, despite massive battles with property developers.
Clubs have gone under, like Bury, and their ground has survived and is now used by their reborn feeder club.2 -
Chelsea in the very smart position where their fans own the land the pitch is on, always been very jealous of thatkillerandflash said:
No significant club has lost their ground in decades.letthegoodtimesroll said:
But it’s not Charlton’s ground. It’s owned by somebody else. It’s a ground the club left, came back to and then eventually lost again and only plays there atm because it rents it. Other clubs have fallen on hard times and basically lost their grounds and I don’t recall an outpouring of public sympathy stopping it; and if for instance West Ham, that ‘generally well liked 🤣 PL team’ from across the river ever get moved on from the London stadium nobody outside their owners and fans will give a shit for them and probably definitely not the local electorate where the ground is located. Charlton are not a special case.killerandflash said:
For all our rivalries, football fans, and indeed sports fans as a group are a massive chunk of electorate. Allowing a reasonably well known, and generally well liked ex Premier Team to be kicked out of their ground to build houses would go down horrendously across the country.Rothko said:
Quite a few, also the politics of it will be terrible, the Mayor be it Sadiq or whoever wins for Labour next time round won't say yes.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Not sure this lot give a shit about who they upset tbh; and the housing minister will need to show a pain of pain in the constituency they’re in if they are going to put a significant squeeze on every other MP’s constituency to deliver new homes.Rothko said:yeah all that, but good luck with the politics of getting that through City Hall or when it gets to Ministers, with the housing minister being the local MP at the moment
besides, how many of the local electorate are Charlton fans ? I doubt it’s that many these days.
Clubs like Chelsea and Fulham, in much more desirable areas for housing, never got kicked out of their ground back in the 80s when football was far less popular, despite massive battles with property developers.
Clubs have gone under, like Bury, and their ground has survived and is now used by their reborn feeder club.4 -
Even if an owner did indeed purchase the stadium, that doesn't mean he'll be able to sell it to the next one. We could just as easily end up in the same situation where the next owner would rather pay a cheaper price without the stadium included.1
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RonnieMoore said:
Your wrong.…… talks have taken place and its top of the agenda for the new owners but there noElfsborgAddick said:Without any ITK knowledge whatsoever, I have said all along that we'll end up leaving The Valley.This was the end game for Dushitelet, I hope I am wrong.
rush as we have an excellent agreement in place and still 9/10 years left on the lease...How is a lease with no right of renewal, costing £500k a year in rent, and with just 9 seasons left to run an excellent agreement? Of course talks will have taken place but 'no rush'?You are a clown, Colin.14 -
Things aren’t great, but we’re pretty far off “the lowest echelons of the football pyramid” thankfully!carly burn said:
Would stumbling about in the lowest of echelons of the football pyramid count?Airman Brown said:Nobody is granting planning consent with the club in existence and able to play there, IMO, but RD can make that difficult by refusing to offer a new lease. The council might be able to use CPO powers in extremis, but it can’t all the time the club is there.
I can see a potential scenario where the club isn’t in a position to occupy the ground and planning consent gets granted for redevelopment though.
At the moment, everything is about leverage. It will only get more and more difficult until and unless it is resolved.0 -
I'd not call him that.bobmunro said:RonnieMoore said:
Your wrong.…… talks have taken place and its top of the agenda for the new owners but there noElfsborgAddick said:Without any ITK knowledge whatsoever, I have said all along that we'll end up leaving The Valley.This was the end game for Dushitelet, I hope I am wrong.
rush as we have an excellent agreement in place and still 9/10 years left on the lease...How is a lease with no right of renewal, costing £500k a year in rent, and with just 9 seasons left to run an excellent agreement? Of course talks will have taken place but 'no rush'?You are a clown, Colin.0 -
A clown? Or Colin?ElfsborgAddick said:
I'd not call him that.bobmunro said:RonnieMoore said:
Your wrong.…… talks have taken place and its top of the agenda for the new owners but there noElfsborgAddick said:Without any ITK knowledge whatsoever, I have said all along that we'll end up leaving The Valley.This was the end game for Dushitelet, I hope I am wrong.
rush as we have an excellent agreement in place and still 9/10 years left on the lease...How is a lease with no right of renewal, costing £500k a year in rent, and with just 9 seasons left to run an excellent agreement? Of course talks will have taken place but 'no rush'?You are a clown, Colin.2 -
Airman Brown said:Nobody is granting planning consent with the club in existence and able to play there, IMO, but RD can make that difficult by refusing to offer a new lease. The council might be able to use CPO powers in extremis, but it can’t all the time the club is there.
I can see a potential scenario where the club isn’t in a position to occupy the ground and planning consent gets granted for redevelopment though.
At the moment, everything is about leverage. It will only get more and more difficult until and unless it is resolved.
I've said for years this is what's happening. Managed decline.3 -
Worth reading again in full. Among other things, you‘d take out from it that he would be more in the background and with a more limited role than he had at Sunderland, and yet here we are. The whole thing looks like a mess and is enormously depressing, not least because in mid-summer I thought that everyone including Charlie was talking a lot of sense. Then again I also rather assumed that Jones had a plan, and that Ahadme must be pretty damn good…. https://thecharltondossier.com/charlie-methven-exclusive-interview/11
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boggzy said:Airman Brown said:Nobody is granting planning consent with the club in existence and able to play there, IMO, but RD can make that difficult by refusing to offer a new lease. The council might be able to use CPO powers in extremis, but it can’t all the time the club is there.
I can see a potential scenario where the club isn’t in a position to occupy the ground and planning consent gets granted for redevelopment though.
At the moment, everything is about leverage. It will only get more and more difficult until and unless it is resolved.
I've said for years this is what's happening. Managed decline.
If that's the case then it's Two Sheds with that agenda. With £7m+ a year losses and no assets it's hardly a valid business plan for the current owners.
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Managed decline? "I've got a great idea chaps. Start throwing money down the drain. You won't get any back. Are you In? - Yes I'll go for that. Can't fail and easy to do. Here's my first millions, let me know when it's gone so I can invest and lose some more."
If it looks that way, it's by accident of attracting owners who don't know what they're doing, not deliberately trying to do it badly. What happens to the 'managed decline' if someone with the wherewithal takes over, or the current owners ditch their SMT flops?
And RD knows his most realistic prospect of financial gain will come if we are a premier league club.
It's farcical to think the evidence does support such a conspiracy theory, but it's no wonder we see it when we seem to get worse year on year.4 -
Some of the shit spouted on here as gospel is hilarious, on both sides of the fence4
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Duchatelet, stick the rent up to £500k per week and put us all out of our misery!1
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Anybody thinking Merhven wasn't calling the shots was deluded. He bided his time before his "promotion" was made official.PragueAddick said:Worth reading again in full. Among other things, you‘d take out from it that he would be more in the background and with a more limited role than he had at Sunderland, and yet here we are. The whole thing looks like a mess and is enormously depressing, not least because in mid-summer I thought that everyone including Charlie was talking a lot of sense. Then again I also rather assumed that Jones had a plan, and that Ahadme must be pretty damn good…. https://thecharltondossier.com/charlie-methven-exclusive-interview/
The clown couldn't get Sunderland promoted out of league 1, whilst 35,000 turned up weekly AND they had parachute payments.
Blind Faith and the SMT are not skilled enough to turn things around.
We will go NOWHERE whilst they remain in charge.15 -
Rodwells CV hardly jumps off the page either.supaclive said:
Anybody thinking Merhven wasn't calling the shots was deluded. He bided his time before his "promotion" was made official.PragueAddick said:Worth reading again in full. Among other things, you‘d take out from it that he would be more in the background and with a more limited role than he had at Sunderland, and yet here we are. The whole thing looks like a mess and is enormously depressing, not least because in mid-summer I thought that everyone including Charlie was talking a lot of sense. Then again I also rather assumed that Jones had a plan, and that Ahadme must be pretty damn good…. https://thecharltondossier.com/charlie-methven-exclusive-interview/
The clown couldn't get Sunderland promoted out of league 1, whilst 35,000 turned up weekly AND they had parachute payments.
Blind Faith and the SMT are not skilled enough to turn things around.
We will go NOWHERE whilst they remain in charge.
He's had executive roles at numerous clubs and not one of them progressed during his time.
F****g chancer like the rest of them.15 -
Club needs a total shake-up, but that wont happen10
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Lots of calls on the match thread for a change of manager, (how much would that cost?) you can’t keep turning over managers, if the players you keep recruiting arnt very good.7
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Manager wanted said players,manager got said players,now he can’t train them to kick a fucking football properly & in doing so has even somehow made our own players worse than before too…I don’t give a shite how much it costs not my money,but if they want to just keep wasting it so be it…or they take the plunge & start from scratch either way they need to get their act together before they lose all paying fans…& be in an even worse position & lose the lot…Mendonca In Asdas said:Lots of calls on the match thread for a change of manager, (how much would that cost?) you can’t keep turning over managers, if the players you keep recruiting arnt very good.3 -
Should never have let Jones pick his whole squad in the first place.
He's not a player identifier. Lua Lua told us that.
No. That was Scott's role. One he also seems to be incapable of.
A right feeking mess this!9 -
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Get out of our club enough is enough
Total switch up needed
fucking pants the lot of them2 -
Absolutely, we’ve got to get these clowns out of the club. I do not want them overseeing the inevitable new manager recruitment again. Their track record stinks!supaclive said:
Anybody thinking Merhven wasn't calling the shots was deluded. He bided his time before his "promotion" was made official.PragueAddick said:Worth reading again in full. Among other things, you‘d take out from it that he would be more in the background and with a more limited role than he had at Sunderland, and yet here we are. The whole thing looks like a mess and is enormously depressing, not least because in mid-summer I thought that everyone including Charlie was talking a lot of sense. Then again I also rather assumed that Jones had a plan, and that Ahadme must be pretty damn good…. https://thecharltondossier.com/charlie-methven-exclusive-interview/
The clown couldn't get Sunderland promoted out of league 1, whilst 35,000 turned up weekly AND they had parachute payments.
Blind Faith and the SMT are not skilled enough to turn things around.
We will go NOWHERE whilst they remain in charge.7 -
So it’s top of their agenda but there’s no rush, which one is it? If they are really saying that then I’m even more worried. Get these clowns out now!RonnieMoore said:
Your wrong.…… talks have taken place and its top of the agenda for the new owners but there noElfsborgAddick said:Without any ITK knowledge whatsoever, I have said all along that we'll end up leaving The Valley.This was the end game for Dushitelet, I hope I am wrong.
rush as we have an excellent agreement in place and still 9/10 years left on the lease...1 -
Can’t wait for the next eloquent speaker to arrive , waffle a lot of cliches say the right things and our lot will be bending over to receive quicker than you can say Karl Jack Robinson10
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What was the Lua Lua quote?carly burn said:Should never have let Jones pick his whole squad in the first place.
He's not a player identifier. Lua Lua told us that.
No. That was Scott's role. One he also seems to be incapable of.
A right feeking mess this!4 -
I'm also very curious about that!Scoham said:
What was the Lua Lua quote?carly burn said:Should never have let Jones pick his whole squad in the first place.
He's not a player identifier. Lua Lua told us that.
No. That was Scott's role. One he also seems to be incapable of.
A right feeking mess this!0 -
I think OP meant that signing Lua Lua last year told us, not that Lua Lua said anything. Pretty sure we never heard from himScoham said:
What was the Lua Lua quote?carly burn said:Should never have let Jones pick his whole squad in the first place.
He's not a player identifier. Lua Lua told us that.
No. That was Scott's role. One he also seems to be incapable of.
A right feeking mess this!5 -
I'm talking about the signing of Lua Lua.
On his arrival Jones told us about all the great things he would bring ....which amounted to fu*k all!
A player well past his best.
His summer recruitment went much the same way5 -
Very quickly it will be told to us how well they speak, they know what they are doingoohaahmortimer said:Can’t wait for the next eloquent speaker to arrive , waffle a lot of cliches say the right things and our lot will be bending over to receive quicker than you can say Karl Jack Robinson
Selfies with the new owners/SMT on social media.
Telling us all that the new people so get us as a club.
Anyone even slightly questioning them get told to pipe down.
Some point down the road the same people who were praising them are saying they need to be removed and we go back round the circle.10 -
Sorry you are clutching at straws with Lua Lua. He spoke of the great things he had done for him in the past and what he can contribute. Any guaranteed projection going forward is entirely of your own making.
There are far bigger issues in play than the likes of Lua Lua0
