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Methven, Rodwell and Scott have to go NOW.
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If it isn’t Methven (the football isn’t down to me) responsible for the disintegration and joylessness of our club, who was the exact person who told Brian Cole to lead the Kevin Nolan tribute in the way it happened?I believe that particular non football buck stops with Methven, and if I am right it reveals him to be an utter see you next Tuesday.
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Aside from all the justifiable irritation/ anger at the playing side of things, we’re getting into blame everyone territory and I don’t see much facts but a lot “it must be’s”.
Does anyone on here actually know what Scott has been doing this season? Does anyone know what his day to day has actually looked like? Does anyone know what players he has actually suggested?I’m not talking assumptions, I’m talking having actual cold stone facts.
I think there would be quite a surprise if you did.8 -
Personally I don’t think it’s in his nature to not involve himself in everything.killerandflash said:
Why would Methven get involved in the football side?fenaddick said:
I just don't believe he doesn't get involved in the football side at all.killerandflash said:
Methven isn't responsible for the playing side, that's Scott and Rodwell.fenaddick said:
He sort of is though. NJ will have had to present the style of play he wants to make and the type of players he would bring in during his interview(s)killerandflash said:For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.
And even with the latter 2, it's not as if Jones said he was going to deliver ineffective hoofball in his interview.
We have much better players than Crawley. But badly coached and managed.
I agree that NJ probably didn't quite say this was his plan. The reality is probably somewhere between what we've both said
I know he's the bogeyman, but in our bloated exec team we have Scott and Rodwell who have direct responsibility for the football side. Scott is the Technical Director, reporting to Rodwell.Look how quick he was to get on the pitch and in the dressing room after the Birmingham game6 -
Copying from the NJ thread:
The whole SMT have been a shit show. Big salaries to Rodwell and Elliott, to do what exactly? Last night has got to be one of the lowest attendances we've ever had for a league game, but Methven was on a podcast tugging himself off over the fact that we piggy backed off of Wrexham's popularity a few weeks ago.
That's before you even get to the fact that they (Scott) thought Michael Appleton was a good appointment, and the constant stream of appalling players coming through the door.
These supposedly 'experienced' bunch are somehow doing worse than Sandgaard, who had literally zero idea what he was doing.22 -
Quite. What is Rodwell’s role now? To be fair, I believe he knows he is surplus to requirements, but in that case he should be gone already. Methven is culpable for the structure and the personnel. I believe he was put in as chief exec to make him answerable, so what does he have to say for himself?Croydon said:Copying from the NJ thread:
The whole SMT have been a shit show. Big salaries to Rodwell and Elliott, to do what exactly? Last night has got to be one of the lowest attendances we've ever had for a league game, but Methven was on a podcast tugging himself off over the fact that we piggy backed off of Wrexham's popularity a few weeks ago.
That's before you even get to the fact that they (Scott) thought Michael Appleton was a good appointment, and the constant stream of appalling players coming through the door.
These supposedly 'experienced' bunch are somehow doing worse than Sandgaard, who had literally zero idea what he was doing.
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Player recruitment has been awful. Scott has to go.5
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AFKABartram said:
Whose now got himself a nice salaried position toocarly burn said:Methven is the owner??
Probably getting paid more than Jones.
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As was told to me at the time, anyone that thought Charlie was going to stay in the background for long was very much mistaken.
Almost certainly he had penciled himself in for a gig front and centre once the dust of the takeover had settled, give him some credit.
He knew how sceptical fans would have been if he'd have walked through the gates Roger Alwyn style at the start, so stayed in the background (sort of).
As the for other two, there are no words.
As for the on goings on the pitch, as I said elsewhere this morning.
I watch Charlton on TV these day's and like and other game of football I have a team I want to win, obviously that's Charlton when they are playing, but its no longer important enough for me to worry about and ten minutes after the game is finished whatever the result its forgotten.
The goings on at the club over the last 10/15 years had made me disillusioned yes, lapsed season ticket holder, lapsed supporter yes, I'm all of them and I've been called worse but such is life, now I take an interest.
I read CL because that's what I do, but I honestly believe my days at the football were done long before that shit show last night and truthfully probably nothing to do with what happens on the green stuff.
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Is Paul Elliott on the payroll?
He is a non-exec director and those roles are sometimes paid but sometimes unpaid or a much smaller fee than a full time exec director.
Yes, his role and value should be up for scrutiny but not sure he should be lumped in with the other SMT members.
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kafka said:
Money people always care about their money and Americans are usually decisive and ruthless in cutting out failure. I expect they will give Methven a short window to come up with a plan and measure him tightly against it. If he fails, then expect someone to be parachuted in to manage either replacement or exit. Time for Charlie boy to step up. He was quick enough to be centre stage on the pitch when we beat Birmingham.Airman Brown said:It’s all about The Valley, not personalities, but you do need people who care. The US owners have serious clout, but are they that bothered?
He has had three chances/managers, he's run his course.
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He's not doing it out of the goodness of his heartHenry Irving said:Is Paul Elliott on the payroll?
He is a non-exec director and those roles are sometimes paid but sometimes unpaid or a much smaller fee than a full time exec director.
Yes, his role and value should be up for scrutiny but not sure he should be lumped in with the other SMT members.11 -
I’m surprised we’ve still not spoken to Brighton to help our recruitment out. It wouldn’t surprise me if jones already did but probably been rejected through negligence from the board.
Brighton helped Ipswich last year and currently are helping Grimsby and Exeter with their recruitment…no surprise to see both doing well.Jones has a strong relationship with the stats team there and as I say I’d be surprised if jones hadn’t already tried to push that we had them on board to help us but I think the board are either too incompetent for help because Scott won’t allow it or they’re not willing to spend some money.2 -
Those three I assume won’t go yet because they are being paid to be here. Not their cash invested.No incentive to bail / just the opposite ie find a scapegoat and stay on the payroll.0
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I think we are all so pissed off with what is happening on the pitch, both style of play and league results/position that we are looking for scapegoats everywhere.The bottom line is that if results and entertainment at the games (commitment remains there) pick up, we would be less ‘triggered’ by anything else going on.I think Nathan is in a tricky place, likely privately acknowledging the squad is imbalanced but can’t publicly admit that, equally surprised that a few former team players aren’t pulling up any weeds let alone trees AT THIS LEVEL and also realising right now whether he plays 3, 4 at the back, 2 or 3 up front, none of the options are clicking in the league games. The oppo’s more on the floor style of football is outdoing us as are longer range strikes.If there is no turn around vs Lincoln and Mansfield it may well be curtains, but a bounce out of nowhere and we may all be a bit more positive. That said, football purists are fcuked as that does not appear to be NJ’s preferred style now that has bedded in.0
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Red_Chester said:I’m surprised we’ve still not spoken to Brighton to help our recruitment out. It wouldn’t surprise me if jones already did but probably been rejected through negligence from the board.
Brighton helped Ipswich last year and currently are helping Grimsby and Exeter with their recruitment…no surprise to see both doing well.Jones has a strong relationship with the stats team there and as I say I’d be surprised if jones hadn’t already tried to push that we had them on board to help us but I think the board are either too incompetent for help because Scott won’t allow it or they’re not willing to spend some money.A company called Jamestown Analytics (admittedly owned by Tony Bloom) are supplying Brighton and Grimsby with data, not the club itself.0 -
I can only assume NJ is looking forward to a Christmas at home with his feet up. He clearly doesn’t fancy the visit to Preston in the cup either and is doing his best to avoid it. 😉🙂0
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Of course he is.Henry Irving said:Is Paul Elliott on the payroll?
He is a non-exec director and those roles are sometimes paid but sometimes unpaid or a much smaller fee than a full time exec director.
Yes, his role and value should be up for scrutiny but not sure he should be lumped in with the other SMT members.0 -
I don’t know about “curtains” but if there is one thing that should be obvious by now it’s that a “bounce” out of nowhere isn’t going to resolve the issues at the club. The pattern of results repeating year on year is not bad luck, about injuries or even lack of resource relative to other teams in the division.Pavoren007 said:I think we are all so pissed off with what is happening on the pitch, both style of play and league results/position that we are looking for scapegoats everywhere.The bottom line is that if results and entertainment at the games (commitment remains there) pick up, we would be less ‘triggered’ by anything else going on.I think Nathan is in a tricky place, likely privately acknowledging the squad is imbalanced but can’t publicly admit that, equally surprised that a few former team players aren’t pulling up any weeds let alone trees AT THIS LEVEL and also realising right now whether he plays 3, 4 at the back, 2 or 3 up front, none of the options are clicking in the league games. The oppo’s more on the floor style of football is outdoing us as are longer range strikes.If there is no turn around vs Lincoln and Mansfield it may well be curtains, but a bounce out of nowhere and we may all be a bit more positive. That said, football purists are fcuked as that does not appear to be NJ’s preferred style now that has bedded in.
I don’t think any of us has the complete explanation for this situation, me included, but it’s not scapegoating to look at those in charge because it’s their responsibility to resolve it and they haven’t done so.17 -
Based on this set up, is it even possible to realistically sell us? Would they not all have to be in agreement to go? If so, I can't see that happening.Athletico Charlton said:Brener 23.3%
Friedman. 23.3%
Rosenfeld 23.3%
Say 70%
Leaves 30% between ACA, Javeri, Boyan, Methven at 5%+ and any smaller shareholders (ie Carter).
I think ACA were rumoured at 10%, so maybe the others have 5% each and small owners have 5% total? But who knows.
ACA almost certainly can't afford to put more in, I suspect some of the others may be getting reluctant soon. Do any of the big hitters want to mop up some of the smaller ones? I doubt it as they didn't at the start and we have not progressed at all.
With no progress being seen and less financial attachment or transparency a consortium can unravel very quickly.1 -
Do the US big hitters have anyone on the ground around the Valley/Sparrows Lane who could report back to them with ‘honest’ assessments of how things are going? Because I for one would have been screaming weeks ago that this just isn’t working. It’s just so obvious to see. Would anybody feel able to do that though without jeopardising their own position.4
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I doubt you get that rich by not knowing what's going on in your investments.Rob said:Do the US big hitters have anyone on the ground around the Valley/Sparrows Lane who could report back to them with ‘honest’ assessments of how things are going? Because I for one would have been screaming weeks ago that this just isn’t working. It’s just so obvious to see. Would anybody feel able to do that though without jeopardising their own position.
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You’d think Gavin Carter as a fan and an investor would be the man to speak directly to the other investors. I assume he knows them, has spoken to them, met them but who knows?Rob said:Do the US big hitters have anyone on the ground around the Valley/Sparrows Lane who could report back to them with ‘honest’ assessments of how things are going? Because I for one would have been screaming weeks ago that this just isn’t working. It’s just so obvious to see. Would anybody feel able to do that though without jeopardising their own position.4 -
Yes, he knows them and speaks to them on a regular basisLargeAddick said:
You’d think Gavin Carter as a fan and an investor would be the man to speak directly to the other investors. I assume he knows them, has spoken to them, met them but who knows?Rob said:Do the US big hitters have anyone on the ground around the Valley/Sparrows Lane who could report back to them with ‘honest’ assessments of how things are going? Because I for one would have been screaming weeks ago that this just isn’t working. It’s just so obvious to see. Would anybody feel able to do that though without jeopardising their own position.3 -
I would be very surprised if they aren't sending someone to report back on the business anyway, just because that is what serious investors do.Rob said:Do the US big hitters have anyone on the ground around the Valley/Sparrows Lane who could report back to them with ‘honest’ assessments of how things are going? Because I for one would have been screaming weeks ago that this just isn’t working. It’s just so obvious to see. Would anybody feel able to do that though without jeopardising their own position.
The chaos just means they will do it sooner, if in fact it hasn't aleady happened.0 -
Isn’t all that part of CM’s job in theory?0
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I would be very interested in what the investors think about recent performances.
They aren't football experts, but I'm sure they didn't invest in the club to endure the dross served up last night.3 -
It would be interesting sitting in on a meeting with Methven, Carter and the Americans, particularly if Carter is in disagreement with Methven and chums and their achievements so far.LargeAddick said:
You’d think Gavin Carter as a fan and an investor would be the man to speak directly to the other investors. I assume he knows them, has spoken to them, met them but who knows?Rob said:Do the US big hitters have anyone on the ground around the Valley/Sparrows Lane who could report back to them with ‘honest’ assessments of how things are going? Because I for one would have been screaming weeks ago that this just isn’t working. It’s just so obvious to see. Would anybody feel able to do that though without jeopardising their own position.
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As I have said many times on here one of my issues with CM is that he marks his own homework.fenaddick said:Isn’t all that part of CM’s job in theory?14 -
I'm not in the know by any means but thought that was a given right from the start. What methven might claim & "advise" his few trusted believers on CL is another matter.Henry Irving said:
And Rosenfeld.Rob said:Surely Methven is a minor owner. I thought Brener and Friedman are the majority owners. No?
Each owns 23.3% I'm led to believe.
No idea on CM's %
He said he put cash in but I suspect that he was given shares as his payment for brokering the deal.
But he also, as I understand it, gets a salary.
I would imagine that 18 months in, the US owners will be reviewing the senior management structure, and how effective they are as individuals, regardless of results because that's what big investors do.
The car crash on the pitch just means that will be done sooner and will include Nathan Jones.
The problem is CM is the conduit for all comms and has a vested interest in protecting his mates and his own positions.
The gang of four will want to point the blame, and to some extent rightly, at Jones as they did with Holden and Appleton but how many times can they wash their hands of any responsibility and get away with it?0 -
Agreed, was pointing out that that’s an issueHenry Irving said:
As I have said many times on here one of my issues with CM is that he marks his own homework.fenaddick said:Isn’t all that part of CM’s job in theory?2
