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Methven, Rodwell and Scott have to go NOW.
ElfsborgAddick
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We are NOT going to move forward with these three at the club.
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couldnt agree more,Time for Curbs15
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More importantly do the owners want to put any more funds into this car crash and decide to concede defeat and move on8
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Methven is the owner??0
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Remind me of his percentage againcarly burn said:Methven is the owner??2 -
shirty5 said:More importantly do the owners want to put any more funds into this car crash and decide to concede defeat and move on
Absolutely, do they know what way to turn other than sell up?
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shirty5 said:
Remind me of his percentage againcarly burn said:Methven is the owner??
Same as the rest of them. 5% +.
I'll wager he owns more than the majority of them.
5%+ of fu*k all isn't a lot .1 -
I think we are might be better to just torch the place entirely, take the insurance money, and start afresh.10
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I don’t agree. I don’t think he’ll have much more than the 5%.carly burn said:shirty5 said:
Remind me of his percentage againcarly burn said:Methven is the owner??
Same as the rest of them. 5% +.
I'll wager he owns more than the majority of them.
5%+ of fu*k all isn't a lot .
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He can retain his shares whilst having his employment terminated.carly burn said:Methven is the owner??9 -
Surely Methven is a minor owner. I thought Brener and Friedman are the majority owners. No?2
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Whose now got himself a nice salaried position toocarly burn said:Methven is the owner??14 -
Did he put any of his own money in to get a share?AFKABartram said:
Whose now got himself a nice salaried position toocarly burn said:Methven is the owner??1 -
And Rosenfeld.Rob said:Surely Methven is a minor owner. I thought Brener and Friedman are the majority owners. No?
Each owns 23.3% I'm led to believe.
No idea on CM's %
He said he put cash in but I suspect that he was given shares as his payment for brokering the deal.
But he also, as I understand it, gets a salary.
I would imagine that 18 months in, the US owners will be reviewing the senior management structure, and how effective they are as individuals, regardless of results because that's what big investors do.
The car crash on the pitch just means that will be done sooner and will include Nathan Jones.
The problem is CM is the conduit for all comms and has a vested interest in protecting his mates and his own positions.
The gang of four will want to point the blame, and to some extent rightly, at Jones as they did with Holden and Appleton but how many times can they wash their hands of any responsibility and get away with it?24 -
Surely it would be within the capability of our fan base to write a framework of what may work and what clearly doesn't given that there is literally hundreds of years combined experience of supporters watching Charlton and scrutinising every minute aspect of previous success and more frequent failure.
Whilst that may seem over stepping/ arrogant or even pie in the sky nonsense surely any owners would benefit from insight of dedicated supporters who know the club and what can make it work and what doesn't on and off the pitch.
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I reckon so. And I think he used that as a bit of a lever to get the others involved.guinnessaddick said:
Did he put any of his own money in to get a share?AFKABartram said:
Whose now got himself a nice salaried position toocarly burn said:Methven is the owner??0 -
It is two years now (Dec 22) when the Gang of Four (Methven, Rodwell, Scott and Warwick) first arrived at the club.We’ve not moved forward in any way in that time. They’ll pat backs that like a nightclub promoter they managed a one off revenue leap with Wrexham, but that was merely a sticky plaster. The real reality was painfully there to see last night in an empty stadium, shown in these pics I saw of last night
Fans don’t want to turn out and watch us. There is no enthusiasm whatsoever. The club just rolls on making one bad decision followed by another. It’s a steady and continuous erosion.Methven talks a lot about financial management, cutting waste etc, yet we must have the most disproportionate executive and management spend in comparison to revenue out of anyone in the league. And we have completely wasted once again whatever football budget we have.We seem to be putting a lot of hope on the American owners being bold and really wanting to take the club forward, yet there’s so little evidence to back that up while they continue with the situation of an expensive management team making continually bad decisions.44 -
Tbf Crawley Town on a Tuesday night in December live on TV might be set up to produce a low crowd, but charging circa £30 for tickets for it isn’t helping and neither is the lack of excitement about the home team.I wouldn’t suggest you can do much with a fixture even thousands of season ticket holders didn’t choose to attend but the cluelessness of their pricing in general tells a story.
I’ve not bought what Charlie and his chums are selling from day one, but it really depends now on what the appetite of the substantive owners is and how soon they wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem is that they or any of the divided ownership are not going to get their money back in any sale and it’s pot luck who would pick it up next if they could all bail out. Somebody needs to get a grip and this ownership structure mitigates against that, which is probably no accident.35 -
Even PV would struggle to find someone this time round?Airman Brown said:Tbf Crawley Town on a Tuesday night in December live on TV might be set up to produce a low crowd, but charging circa £30 for tickets for it isn’t helping and neither is the lack of excitement about the home team.
I’ve not bought what Charlie and his chums are selling from day one, but it really defends now on what the appetite of the substantive owners is and how soon they wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem is that they or any of the divided ownership are not going to get their money back in any sale and it’s pot luck who would pick it up next if they could bail out.
And in all honesty I should think anyone with serious clout would want the ground as any part of a deal, as has always been the case.
Who said Duchatelet is no longer shoving it up our rear end sideways these days?!6 -
It was a million to one shot and always will be anyone coming in to buy invest😂 in us and make money , they’d have to gamble loads to expect any return and it’s not happening realistically.
to come in and try and do it on the cheap means the odds are even longer
they’re just throwing good money after bad .
either get their act together or fuck off and let someone else roll the wanky dice0 -
Brener 23.3%
Friedman. 23.3%
Rosenfeld 23.3%
Say 70%
Leaves 30% between ACA, Javeri, Boyan, Methven at 5%+ and any smaller shareholders (ie Carter).
I think ACA were rumoured at 10%, so maybe the others have 5% each and small owners have 5% total? But who knows.
ACA almost certainly can't afford to put more in, I suspect some of the others may be getting reluctant soon. Do any of the big hitters want to mop up some of the smaller ones? I doubt it as they didn't at the start and we have not progressed at all.
With no progress being seen and less financial attachment or transparency a consortium can unravel very quickly.
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It’s all about The Valley, not personalities, but you do need people who care. The US owners have serious clout, but are they that bothered?3
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Certainly need some sort of statement from the owners after the reaction from the crowd last night.
This silence doesnt help anyone... Makes Methven and Rodwell look as though they dont give a shit.0 -
Money people always care about their money and Americans are usually decisive and ruthless in cutting out failure. I expect they will give Methven a short window to come up with a plan and measure him tightly against it. If he fails, then expect someone to be parachuted in to manage either replacement or exit. Time for Charlie boy to step up. He was quick enough to be centre stage on the pitch when we beat Birmingham.Airman Brown said:It’s all about The Valley, not personalities, but you do need people who care. The US owners have serious clout, but are they that bothered?3 -
And do they have the right connections to make appointments? We know that CM brokered the deal so what happens if the board decide Rodwell and Scott have to go? I would imagine CM puts forward some more of his mates for the roles and it's a gamble to see if they're any more competent.Airman Brown said:It’s all about The Valley, not personalities, but you do need people who care. The US owners have serious clout, but are they that bothered?
In reality we're a small piece of investment for the main three and so only warrant a small amount of time. That means it's unlikely they've formed many connections with "football people" so don't have others to go to for advice. I know Brener had been involved in MLS but that's a totally different prospect to L1 football0 -
For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.16
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He sort of is though. NJ will have had to present the style of play he wants to make and the type of players he would bring in during his interview(s)killerandflash said:For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.0 -
Methven isn't responsible for the playing side, that's Scott and Rodwell.fenaddick said:
He sort of is though. NJ will have had to present the style of play he wants to make and the type of players he would bring in during his interview(s)killerandflash said:For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.
And even with the latter 2, it's not as if Jones said he was going to deliver ineffective hoofball in his interview.
We have much better players than Crawley. But badly coached and managed.8 -
I just don't believe he doesn't get involved in the football side at all.killerandflash said:
Methven isn't responsible for the playing side, that's Scott and Rodwell.fenaddick said:
He sort of is though. NJ will have had to present the style of play he wants to make and the type of players he would bring in during his interview(s)killerandflash said:For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.
And even with the latter 2, it's not as if Jones said he was going to deliver ineffective hoofball in his interview.
We have much better players than Crawley. But badly coached and managed.
I agree that NJ probably didn't quite say this was his plan. The reality is probably somewhere between what we've both said0 -
Why would Methven get involved in the football side?fenaddick said:
I just don't believe he doesn't get involved in the football side at all.killerandflash said:
Methven isn't responsible for the playing side, that's Scott and Rodwell.fenaddick said:
He sort of is though. NJ will have had to present the style of play he wants to make and the type of players he would bring in during his interview(s)killerandflash said:For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.
And even with the latter 2, it's not as if Jones said he was going to deliver ineffective hoofball in his interview.
We have much better players than Crawley. But badly coached and managed.
I agree that NJ probably didn't quite say this was his plan. The reality is probably somewhere between what we've both said
I know he's the bogeyman, but in our bloated exec team we have Scott and Rodwell who have direct responsibility for the football side. Scott is the Technical Director, reporting to Rodwell.3 -
Because he's an owner so entitled to his opinion on a new manager.killerandflash said:
Why would Methven get involved in the football side?fenaddick said:
I just don't believe he doesn't get involved in the football side at all.killerandflash said:
Methven isn't responsible for the playing side, that's Scott and Rodwell.fenaddick said:
He sort of is though. NJ will have had to present the style of play he wants to make and the type of players he would bring in during his interview(s)killerandflash said:For all his faults, the responsibility for the dreadful football on display doesn't rest with Methven, as he's not responsible for the bizarre formations, crude 1980s Wimbledon tactics and signing Nathan Jones' old boys.
And even with the latter 2, it's not as if Jones said he was going to deliver ineffective hoofball in his interview.
We have much better players than Crawley. But badly coached and managed.
I agree that NJ probably didn't quite say this was his plan. The reality is probably somewhere between what we've both said
I know he's the bogeyman, but in our bloated exec team we have Scott and Rodwell who have direct responsibility for the football side. Scott is the Technical Director, reporting to Rodwell.
I hope you're right, I just doubt he wouldn't get involved0
