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I might agree had I not heard him suggest injecting or drinking bleach to cure COVID. Maybe he has shares in the great bleach producing giants. 😉Jessie said:
I used to think he was being stupid to deny climate change but it dawned on me some time ago that he was simply protecting the interest of all the groups/companies/individuals who benefit from the oil industry.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄1 -
The people of Valencia are suffering from the EU directive to remove dams with Spain removing the highest In Europeken_shabby said:As the people of Valencia found out last week, the cost can be sky high.
https://damremoval.eu/report-2021/
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Just looked it up and the estimated annual global losses due to natural catastrophes is around the $300BN mark. Of which far less than 50% is insured! That's 50% in G20 countries but only 10% in the world's poorer countries.cantersaddick said:
there is an unprecedented event like this happening in the world every couple of weeks to a month at the moment. People choosing to look away/not engage, other things going on in the world (and the medias general attitude to climate change) so they don't really get the coverage they should have. Wonder when people will take notice?ShootersHillGuru said:Shocking scenes of devastation and loss of life in south eastern Spain. One of those things or a trend ?
Lots of scaring things coming out over the last few weeks, about AMOC, about ocean temperatures, earths natural carbon sinks not taking anything in this year as they are basically full. All things exacerbating the already desperate situation. Scientists are starting to say the tipping point has already been reached and all we can do is slow it down/mitigate at this point. Desperately terrifying.
Perhaps when losses and associated premiums rise then their might be a bigger push to clarify causes and remedial action? Right now the debate is full of deniers plus electorates in major economies have bigger concerns.
To place that number in context, the smaller economies in G7 such as the UK have GDP at $3-4TRN. How big does the natural catastrophe impact need to be to ensure a change of approach?1 -
Trouble is by the time a natural catastrophe knocks on the UKs door it'll be a decade too late. There is already a majority of climate scientists saying its too late all we can do is slow it down and minimise impact.seriously_red said:
Just looked it up and the estimated annual global losses due to natural catastrophes is around the $300BN mark. Of which far less than 50% is insured! That's 50% in G20 countries but only 10% in the world's poorer countries.cantersaddick said:
there is an unprecedented event like this happening in the world every couple of weeks to a month at the moment. People choosing to look away/not engage, other things going on in the world (and the medias general attitude to climate change) so they don't really get the coverage they should have. Wonder when people will take notice?ShootersHillGuru said:Shocking scenes of devastation and loss of life in south eastern Spain. One of those things or a trend ?
Lots of scaring things coming out over the last few weeks, about AMOC, about ocean temperatures, earths natural carbon sinks not taking anything in this year as they are basically full. All things exacerbating the already desperate situation. Scientists are starting to say the tipping point has already been reached and all we can do is slow it down/mitigate at this point. Desperately terrifying.
Perhaps when losses and associated premiums rise then their might be a bigger push to clarify causes and remedial action? Right now the debate is full of deniers plus electorates in major economies have bigger concerns.
To place that number in context, the smaller economies in G7 such as the UK have GDP at $3-4TRN. How big does the natural catastrophe impact need to be to ensure a change of approach?1 -
More bad news
This year set to be first to breach 1.5C global warming limit
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dpnxnvv2go
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All mankind can ever do is slow things down / minimise impact. The question is what data, information and expert opinion will convince electorates, leaders and global bodies to shift course in a meaningful way? So will the aggregation of all Nat Cat damages cause corporates and markets to change course?cantersaddick said:
Trouble is by the time a natural catastrophe knocks on the UKs door it'll be a decade too late. There is already a majority of climate scientists saying its too late all we can do is slow it down and minimise impact.seriously_red said:
Just looked it up and the estimated annual global losses due to natural catastrophes is around the $300BN mark. Of which far less than 50% is insured! That's 50% in G20 countries but only 10% in the world's poorer countries.cantersaddick said:
there is an unprecedented event like this happening in the world every couple of weeks to a month at the moment. People choosing to look away/not engage, other things going on in the world (and the medias general attitude to climate change) so they don't really get the coverage they should have. Wonder when people will take notice?ShootersHillGuru said:Shocking scenes of devastation and loss of life in south eastern Spain. One of those things or a trend ?
Lots of scaring things coming out over the last few weeks, about AMOC, about ocean temperatures, earths natural carbon sinks not taking anything in this year as they are basically full. All things exacerbating the already desperate situation. Scientists are starting to say the tipping point has already been reached and all we can do is slow it down/mitigate at this point. Desperately terrifying.
Perhaps when losses and associated premiums rise then their might be a bigger push to clarify causes and remedial action? Right now the debate is full of deniers plus electorates in major economies have bigger concerns.
To place that number in context, the smaller economies in G7 such as the UK have GDP at $3-4TRN. How big does the natural catastrophe impact need to be to ensure a change of approach?
There's something called ESG reporting for corporate entities that informs stakeholders and investors - ESG claims that it's a "means of fostering transparency, ensuring accountability, and driving long-term value creation. Companies are now leveraging ESG reporting to integrate sustainability into every facet of their operations." But how much of global operations are covered - does the reporting cover all subsidiary / partner activity?
Put another way, what % of global investment will choose sustainable / clean investment over the dirtier activities if returns are similar or perhaps worse.0 -
The USA have just put a man into The White House who has a mantra of “drill,drill,drill”. Doesn’t sound particularly hopeful.seriously_red said:
All mankind can ever do is slow things down / minimise impact. The question is what data, information and expert opinion will convince electorates, leaders and global bodies to shift course in a meaningful way? So will the aggregation of all Nat Cat damages cause corporates and markets to change course?cantersaddick said:
Trouble is by the time a natural catastrophe knocks on the UKs door it'll be a decade too late. There is already a majority of climate scientists saying its too late all we can do is slow it down and minimise impact.seriously_red said:
Just looked it up and the estimated annual global losses due to natural catastrophes is around the $300BN mark. Of which far less than 50% is insured! That's 50% in G20 countries but only 10% in the world's poorer countries.cantersaddick said:
there is an unprecedented event like this happening in the world every couple of weeks to a month at the moment. People choosing to look away/not engage, other things going on in the world (and the medias general attitude to climate change) so they don't really get the coverage they should have. Wonder when people will take notice?ShootersHillGuru said:Shocking scenes of devastation and loss of life in south eastern Spain. One of those things or a trend ?
Lots of scaring things coming out over the last few weeks, about AMOC, about ocean temperatures, earths natural carbon sinks not taking anything in this year as they are basically full. All things exacerbating the already desperate situation. Scientists are starting to say the tipping point has already been reached and all we can do is slow it down/mitigate at this point. Desperately terrifying.
Perhaps when losses and associated premiums rise then their might be a bigger push to clarify causes and remedial action? Right now the debate is full of deniers plus electorates in major economies have bigger concerns.
To place that number in context, the smaller economies in G7 such as the UK have GDP at $3-4TRN. How big does the natural catastrophe impact need to be to ensure a change of approach?
There's something called ESG reporting for corporate entities that informs stakeholders and investors - ESG claims that it's a "means of fostering transparency, ensuring accountability, and driving long-term value creation. Companies are now leveraging ESG reporting to integrate sustainability into every facet of their operations." But how much of global operations are covered - does the reporting cover all subsidiary / partner activity?
Put another way, what % of global investment will choose sustainable / clean investment over the dirtier activities if returns are similar or perhaps worse.6 -
*benefitingsmiffyboy said:
The people of Valencia are *suffering from the EU directive to remove dams with Spain removing the highest In Europeken_shabby said:As the people of Valencia found out last week, the cost can be sky high.
https://damremoval.eu/report-2021/Dam removal is a cost-effective and eco-efficient way to help with the following:- Climate change: Free-flowing rivers help with the effects of droughts, floods, and storms.
- Biodiversity: Dam removal helps restore biodiversity and degraded ecosystems.
- Water quality: Dam removal cleans water naturally.
- Tourism: Dam removal can boost tourism.
- Flood defenses: Dam removal restores a river's natural flood defenses.
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Only hope is consumers/ordinary folk getting the message and voting with their dollar bills. Trump can call it a hoax but he understands consumer demand. Also I recollect California starting to make reforms under their own law when Trump was last in.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄3 -
As long as so called progressives can’t handle a slightly longer walk to their car, we have no hope of and real change.KingKinsella said:
Only hope is consumers/ordinary folk getting the message and voting with their dollar bills. Trump can call it a hoax but he understands consumer demand. Also I recollect California starting to make reforms under their own law when Trump was last in.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄0 -
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Which is why I’m happy to take a chance with an EV.ShootersHillGuru said:I’ve thought all along that climate change wont be taken totally seriously until there is a major catastrophe in one of the worlds great cities and it probably needs to be in the USA for them to wake up to what’s needed. Dreadful to think it’s going to need massive loss of life and destruction on a large scale for the world to wake up. I think tipping point is very close if it’s not already been reached. It’s a terrifying prospect ahead of us.
Every little helps, surely.2 -
And it looks like he’s appointing an anti vaxer (Kennedy) to head up Health.cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄What could possibly go wrong.1 -
There’s even talk of banning vaccines. Not sure if that means all vaccines which by the way is what RFK Jnr advocates but I can certainly see MRNA vaccines being banned in the USA. They’re batshit crazy. Quite what the medical profession will make of it and do is going to be interesting.JamesSeed said:
And it looks like he’s appointing an anti vaxer (Kennedy) to head up Health.cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄What could possibly go wrong.3 -
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What’s that about, Stu?
As long as so called progressives can’t handle a slightly longer walk to their car, we have no hope of and real change.KingKinsella said:
Only hope is consumers/ordinary folk getting the message and voting with their dollar bills. Trump can call it a hoax but he understands consumer demand. Also I recollect California starting to make reforms under their own law when Trump was last in.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄0 -
A senior official at COP29 climate change conference in Azerbaijan appears to have used his role to arrange a meeting to discuss potential fossil fuel deals, the BBC can report.
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It does. Everything we don't do but could exacerbates the problem, so I do what I can based on what I now know, no longer able to claim I know no better. Whatever those who blame others to justify inaction choose to do has no bearing on how I live my life and the choices I make.JamesSeed said:
Which is why I’m happy to take a chance with an EV.ShootersHillGuru said:I’ve thought all along that climate change wont be taken totally seriously until there is a major catastrophe in one of the worlds great cities and it probably needs to be in the USA for them to wake up to what’s needed. Dreadful to think it’s going to need massive loss of life and destruction on a large scale for the world to wake up. I think tipping point is very close if it’s not already been reached. It’s a terrifying prospect ahead of us.
Every little helps,,surely.
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Look at the resistance to EVs based on inconvenience, the outcry over paper straws, or any number of other examples where people are fully behind fighting climate change, until it means they change the way they live.JamesSeed said:.Stu_of_Kunming said:
What’s that about, Stu?
As long as so called progressives can’t handle a slightly longer walk to their car, we have no hope of and real change.KingKinsella said:
Only hope is consumers/ordinary folk getting the message and voting with their dollar bills. Trump can call it a hoax but he understands consumer demand. Also I recollect California starting to make reforms under their own law when Trump was last in.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄The idea that it’s only climate change deniers that are the issue is ridiculous, it’s a human issue. Not a political one.2 -
I think you’re underestimating the inconvenience changing to an EV would be for millions of people at present. Certainly here in the U.K.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Look at the resistance to EVs based on inconvenience, the outcry over paper straws, or any number of other examples where people are fully behind fighting climate change, until it means they change the way they live.JamesSeed said:.Stu_of_Kunming said:
What’s that about, Stu?
As long as so called progressives can’t handle a slightly longer walk to their car, we have no hope of and real change.KingKinsella said:
Only hope is consumers/ordinary folk getting the message and voting with their dollar bills. Trump can call it a hoax but he understands consumer demand. Also I recollect California starting to make reforms under their own law when Trump was last in.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄The idea that it’s only climate change deniers that are the issue is ridiculous, it’s a human issue. Not a political one.0 -
Compared to the alternative and the inconvenience to come, I’d suggest people suck it up and do everything they can, but for the most part people simply aren’t interested.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think you’re underestimating the inconvenience changing to an EV would be for millions of people at present. Certainly here in the U.K.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Look at the resistance to EVs based on inconvenience, the outcry over paper straws, or any number of other examples where people are fully behind fighting climate change, until it means they change the way they live.JamesSeed said:.Stu_of_Kunming said:
What’s that about, Stu?
As long as so called progressives can’t handle a slightly longer walk to their car, we have no hope of and real change.KingKinsella said:
Only hope is consumers/ordinary folk getting the message and voting with their dollar bills. Trump can call it a hoax but he understands consumer demand. Also I recollect California starting to make reforms under their own law when Trump was last in.swordfish said:
I seriously doubt that many of those who voted for him don't believe the surface of the earth is heating up, and he won't find a credible scientific adviser who denies it is, but I guess climate concerns weren't top priority in the election. Will they ever be?cantersaddick said:The world's largest exporter of natural gas has just elected a climate denier. 🙄The idea that it’s only climate change deniers that are the issue is ridiculous, it’s a human issue. Not a political one.2 -
Who would have thought that a largely corrupt, ex Soviet state rich in oil and gas would do such a thing?! So surprisingRufus is a dogs name said:A senior official at COP29 climate change conference in Azerbaijan appears to have used his role to arrange a meeting to discuss potential fossil fuel deals, the BBC can report.
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It's good to see the Met Office working together with The Wildlife Trusts on climate change and the effect it has on our wildlife. The UK is one of the most nature depleted countries on earth and nature needs all the help it can get. Nature can also help in mitigating some of the effects of Climate Change if humans give it a chance to do so.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/2024/collaborating-with-the-wildlife-trusts
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James O Brien did a great hour on this yesterday.
Basically started saying that if you compare it to your body, you know that you should cut back on bad habits etc, and you will literally be able to spend more time with your children/grandchildren (if you're lucky enough to have them) which we would all want, and yet still people make the wrong choices. Even pre diabetics for example, where changing behaviours are vital.
Even people who are "on board" like most in here, definitely don't do all they could or possibly should. In reality a lot of people are focusing on other things, which is exactly why government intervention is paramount.
4-5 year election cycles though mean that no one will grasp this until it's too late, which it might already be!7 -
As the UK is now importing 20% of electricity from Europe, a new high, there's much work still to be done in developing renewable capability, in addition to the new nuclear plant(s) coming onstream, before the lights stay on without importing, which is the ambition.
https://www.drax.com/press_release/power-surge-uk-spends-250-million-each-month-importing-record-volumes-of-electricity-from-europe/#:~:text=A record 20% of the,the second quarter of 2024.0 -
Governments win power by giving the public what the public wants policy wise though, not by forcing behavioural changes on them as they don't take kindly to that sort of thing. The green agenda is destined to fail until the majority of individuals accept the sort of impositions on their freedoms necessary to solve the climate change problem, and I can't see that happening globally if at all. Too much resistance to it and I believe it probably is too late already.Huskaris said:James O Brien did a great hour on this yesterday.
Basically started saying that if you compare it to your body, you know that you should cut back on bad habits etc, and you will literally be able to spend more time with your children/grandchildren (if you're lucky enough to have them) which we would all want, and yet still people make the wrong choices. Even pre diabetics for example, where changing behaviours are vital.
Even people who are "on board" like most in here, definitely don't do all they could or possibly should. In reality a lot of people are focusing on other things, which is exactly why government intervention is paramount.
4-5 year election cycles though mean that no one will grasp this until it's too late, which it might already be!0 -
Not long ago someone questioned the impact of their heated steering wheel by getting an EV.swordfish said:
Governments win power by giving the public what the public wants policy wise though, not by forcing behavioural changes on them as they don't take kindly to that sort of thing. The green agenda is destined to fail until the majority of individuals accept the sort of impositions on their freedoms necessary to solve the climate change problem, and I can't see that happening globally if at all. Too much resistance to it and I believe it probably is too late already.Huskaris said:James O Brien did a great hour on this yesterday.
Basically started saying that if you compare it to your body, you know that you should cut back on bad habits etc, and you will literally be able to spend more time with your children/grandchildren (if you're lucky enough to have them) which we would all want, and yet still people make the wrong choices. Even pre diabetics for example, where changing behaviours are vital.
Even people who are "on board" like most in here, definitely don't do all they could or possibly should. In reality a lot of people are focusing on other things, which is exactly why government intervention is paramount.
4-5 year election cycles though mean that no one will grasp this until it's too late, which it might already be!People don’t want change, they want more comfort.0 -
It feels like we're chopping off our limbs to save the environment, whilst other countries do absolutely nothing and get richer.1
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Just found a vlog that seems to be well informed on You Tube
@JustHaveaThink
Recent posts include Artic ice cap and role of Hydrogen as a home heating fuel.(bottom line- no good)0 -
Such as?cafcnick1992 said:It feels like we're chopping off our limbs to save the environment, whilst other countries do absolutely nothing and get richer.
I don't mind living in a country where the government is committed to meeting climate change objectives and think more could be done by them. More can also be done by individuals taking more actions to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.
One thing I'm sure of, slowing our efforts, or doing absolutely nothing, will only make the problems we're already seeing unfolding as a consequence of climate change worse. And if there are countries getting richer doing nothing, they'll be faced with huge costs maintaining their borders when the mass waves of climate change refugees seeking prosperous countries to go and live in, as the crisis gets worse, are forced to leave their homes.
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The Americans. Higher salaries than us, own more cars than us, energy is cheap. Middle class Americans have a life middle class Brits can only dream of.swordfish said:
Such as?cafcnick1992 said:It feels like we're chopping off our limbs to save the environment, whilst other countries do absolutely nothing and get richer.
I don't mind living in a country where the government is committed to meeting climate change objectives and think more could be done by them. More can also be done by individuals taking more actions to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.
One thing I'm sure of, slowing our efforts, or doing absolutely nothing, will only make the problems we're already seeing unfolding as a consequence of climate change worse. And if there are countries getting richer doing nothing, they'll be faced with huge costs maintaining their borders when the mass waves of climate change refugees seeking prosperous countries to go and live in, as the crisis gets worse, are forced to leave their homes.0
