POST-MATCH THREAD: Exeter City v Charlton Athletic: Sat 9th November 2024: KO 15:00

Lazy_eye_metaphor said:

I wonder if the board have been alerted to the availability of Mark Robins and are beginning to have thoughts?

Dazzler21 said:

Covered End said:

Ilovelondontown said:

I think majority of Charlton fans are a bit self entitled,yes many moons ago we were a premier league team for a few years, before that we were not very good , yes had our moments buy generally not very good, we are were we are, yes we’ve been owned by various morons but again we are were we are, we’ve got to stop this rot of sacking managers just because we’re not winning every game,jones is a ok manager for where we are, we are a big ish name in this league because of our history,but at the moment we’re still looking for that magic formula for success, NJ has been in post for year almost, he’s had a window that has not been brilliant but at start of season I was hopeful, we are lacking in certain areas , NJ is not an idiot, hopefully and can see where we are lacking and can hopefully improve, yes footballs not great but sacking jones is not the answer, yet!!things are not gonna change overnight, even spending millions is no guarantee, all we can hope is jones , his coaches, and our owners are all in sync and address our shortcomings,  in the meantime get behind him and the team and see how things pan out. 

And yet everyone except Jones could see where we were lacking before the season started (no midfield creativity).

You're assuming Jones couldn't see the gaps, because publicly he made out he was happy. 

In reality, I doubt he was pleased with our business, but he can't really say to the players we had signed or the players we already had and say they were 2nd or 3rd or worse choice for us. 

I'm not happy with where we sre, Jones is clearly aware we are not where we should be, he keeps telling everyone we're not good enough, the players aren't performing etc. Imo he is sending a message to the board, if he hasn't already discussed it with them.

Bedsaddick said:

I really don't want to go ( and probably won't) to the Peterborough game next week because i know what the outcome is going to be and that makes me angry.

I wonder how many more people feel the same? 

Scoham said:

agim said:

Gisappointed said:

Nothing wrong with the box, but you need:-
a) full backs that get over the HW line and
b) the two behind the strikers not being CDMs

We might have 9 players injured but realistically only Jones, Ramsay, and perhaps Mannion would walk into the side. A case for TC or Kanu if the Leaburn/ Gooden partnership doesn't beat fruit.

Perhaps Anderson does need a loan but currently he is the best candidate for b) above.  Berry is looking a bit Kirkesque.

Pretty sure Berry has already scored more goals than Kirk ever did for us and if it wasn't for he's goals we'd be sitting in 18/19th something like that. I don't recall Kirk ever getting us out of jail

Had a look, both on 4, but 1 of Kirk’s was vs Villa u21s.

Scored 2 away at Burton in a 3-3, his version of Berry’s 2 away at Barnsley which also got us a draw.

sam3110 said:

The more I see it, the worse Godden's miss gets. How we doesn't even hit the target is beyond me

Leuth said:

agim said:

Scoham said:

agim said:

Gisappointed said:

Nothing wrong with the box, but you need:-
a) full backs that get over the HW line and
b) the two behind the strikers not being CDMs

We might have 9 players injured but realistically only Jones, Ramsay, and perhaps Mannion would walk into the side. A case for TC or Kanu if the Leaburn/ Gooden partnership doesn't beat fruit.

Perhaps Anderson does need a loan but currently he is the best candidate for b) above.  Berry is looking a bit Kirkesque.

Pretty sure Berry has already scored more goals than Kirk ever did for us and if it wasn't for he's goals we'd be sitting in 18/19th something like that. I don't recall Kirk ever getting us out of jail

Had a look, both on 4, but 1 of Kirk’s was vs Villa u21s.

Scored 2 away at Burton in a 3-3, his version of Berry’s 2 away at Barnsley which also got us a draw.

I think Berry is a important player. He's won us 4 points already this season

He's a shirker, a luxury player, a Gilbey with a bit more finishing ability. I really don't like him. We have to stop making signings like this 

Bedsaddick said:

Lewis Coaches said:

Bedsaddick said:

I really don't want to go ( and probably won't) to the Peterborough game next week because i know what the outcome is going to be and that makes me angry.

I wonder how many more people feel the same? 

No matter how the club performed when I followed them closely for over 30years I would always try to attend.

Now to do so kills a whole weekend of time, but for some reason I will attend with my better half the Peterborough game.

It’s not just the rotten football. I have major health issues ( cancer etc..) and it’s a 160 mile round trip so it takes a lot to commit myself to going to games , which I have done so far this season to be fair . When I do go , I want at least to know that the team or the manager has a clue what they are meant to be doing and sadly I think neither do currently. 

However, a big centre-forward thrives on direct play, in effect allowing the midfield to remain deeper and retain a compact shape at the back. There is a danger he could be isolated, but the pace and dynamism of the three more advanced midfielders negate that.

Forest have had the third-lowest possession in the league this season – but it works. Or at least, works for them. A club with a more heightened sense of self-worth might insist on having more of the ball, on something more sophisticated, but simplicity has its own charm. Nuno took Wolves to promotion and then to two seventh-place finishes in the Premier League and, although there was a downturn in his fourth season, leading to his departure, they still finished 13th.

Perhaps he was not right for Spurs; a lot of managers aren’t. Spurs should not necessarily feel regret. But that did not mean Nuno was right for nobody. He kept Forest up last season despite their points deduction and, having found a workable system, is reaping the benefits now. Everything in football is contingent, and in the context of Forest, Nuno is back on his steed and, in his understated, diffident way, charging again.'

I freely admit to not knowing much about tactics but the bit about the midfield playing deeper and retaining a compact shape with a big centre forward rings a bell.......... but the bit about the pace and dynamism of the more advanced midfielders doesn't ring bells so much. Is it our lack of dynamism and pace causing us to be second in the race for second and 50/50 balls......? I appreciate we need more creativity in midfield but we don't seem to have very much pace, we're too often looking like we're slow off the mark...... is that pace or maybe anticipation?

RonnieMoore said:

SDAddick said:

I wrote a lot on the player marks thread so going to paste some here. Then I just ranted for a while. 

A. M-B: 5 Ropey with crosses and coming off his line. Death, taxes, and AMB. Bless. 

Z.MITCHELL: 4 - it's hard to say he did a lot wrong that isn't covered by "this is his first league start at RB, and like his fourth start in League One total." A promising player, but lacks the posotional awareness for RB and doesn't have the pure athleticism of a Konsa or Gomez to make up for it. 

COVENTRY: 5 - Not his day, I worry he's struggling with two holding midfielders. He and Taylor sometimes look like they get in each other's way, and the areas they take up are either crowded, or teams sit off them knowing that the four players in front of them don't want the ball into feet in tight spaces. He gets stick for always going square, but in fairness to him, there just isn't anything on. It's narrow and teams just kill the space on the inside. Until we get more in front of the two holders we aren't going to do shit

DOCHERTY: 4 - I don't get him. 
He runs around a fair amount but doesn't make many tackles. He's OK in possession but not decisive. He doesn't really look like scoring. He doesn't play the killer ball. He's like a rhythmic passer who keeps things ticking over but we have two better options at the double 6. Campbell is better at the harem scarem running around. Dock is just kind of thete, except he drifts out of games badly. 

A.CAMPBELL: 5 - I mean he runs around a lot and wins the ball back but he's shit with the ball at his feet. Guess we should give credit to Millwall fans who all seemed to think he was terrible. He's our only loan signing ffs. And he's 28 and a grafter. No wonder we're mid table. 

LEABURN: 6.5 - I think did about the best he could with what he was given, which can generously be described as scraps. Because of our lack of width and creativity he has to drop off or pull out wide to look to provide that, which means he isn't in the box if crosses do miraculously come in. 

GODDEN: 4.5 - He's really a poacher with a team that doesn't create much. Missed one where he should have at least hit the target. But it wasn't as easy as some said in the match report. No quick enough to press effectively. Undoubtedly handsome.

I wasn't as down on selling May as some were, I get getting a huge profit on a player the wrong side of 30, but May's pace and creativity would be a real help this season.

This is a team playing with two #10s that starts zero number 10s. There's no width, and Berry is the only midfield player who looks even slightly comfortable turning in tight spaces. Campbell ain't it.

It is absolutely no coincidence that this team looks better with Karoy in it. He presses well and plays on the turn looking to drive the ball forward. He's not perfect but he's our only Midfielder with a balance of ability on the ball and energy in the press. 

So we did all that business early in the summer. Sold last year's best player. And ended up relying on a talented but still raw 20 year old from the academy to be the heart of our midfield. 

I'm not Jones out at this stage, but I am Jones doesn't get to do transfers anymore. There's a reason why everyone worth a damn uses the DoF to do their transfers, it provides balance and oversight. Instead we got Jones' mates, and we have a desperately one dimensional team.

I really hate long ball football, but I'm basically at a point of "go back to 3-5-2 and lump it to Miles and Gas." I mean that's what this team is built for. It just wasn't built well enough for that, but it's definitely not built well enough to play football through the lines. 

Godden scored 6 times this season same as May who playing with a squad worth 30 mill just saying 

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

sam3110 said:

The more I see it, the worse Godden's miss gets. How we doesn't even hit the target is beyond me

Do you think Alfie would have buried it? 😉

BigRedEvil said:

19 points from 14 games, I've been lucky in that I missed all 3 October home games but it sounds like the football is just so uninspiring to watch.

The squad has zero excitement or creativity in it, it's a really poor L1 squad. Questions have to be asked of the ownership as to what they are actually trying to achieve