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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham
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Callum was disagreeing with the point that May scored any type of goal, all over the pitch.UEAAddick said:
Totally different levels, but Haaland scores loads of goals in the box. Does it not count then? You want strikers to score in the box.Callumcafc said:ElliotCAFC said:
I don’t know how many goals he exactly scored from outside the box, but it was certainly more than 1 - off the top of my head I can remember him scoring from outside the box at Wigan away and again from a free-kick towards the end of the season.Callumcafc said:ElliotCAFC said:I seriously struggle to understand how anyone can watch the past 13 games and believe Matt Godden is at the same level as Alfie May - and I really like Godden.Alfie May could score any type of goal from anywhere on the pitch, not only that, but was quite the talisman for us last season. Selling him seemed stupid at the time, it seems stupid now, and I think it will seem stupid at the end of the season.Hopefully this whole debate becomes increasingly moot as the season progresses and we somehow claw our way up to the Championship.Disagree on this point. From what he showed in his season here, all but one of his goals was scored from inside the penalty area. Everything points to him being a traditional poacher. Godden is the exact same type of player.Having said that I agree he was talismanic - he scored goals, worked hard and was easy to like as a local lad.Not only that, he regularly scored screamers for Cheltenham, once even a volley from the half-way line. He may not have done it as much for us as his role was different, but he had it in his locker - which Godden doesn’t.Location of all of last season’s goals. One from outside the area which is the Barnsley free kick you mentioned - 22 others all from inside the area, which is still great but yes, he’s a poacher first and foremost.
The one against Wigan was counted as inside the area by Opta.
He did that more for Cheltenham than us but he’s still a poacher more than anything else, same with Godden. It’s not a bad thing.4 -
Two points.
One is I thought Ahadme was supposed to be as much a replacement for Alfie’s goals as Godden.
The other is an observation about how many don’t respond to the actual content of @Grapevine49’s but go to the personals against him, @Grapevine49 does not make personal attacks on other posters.3 -
Yes. I’m not trying to say it matters particularly because a goal counts for 1 wherever it goes in from, was just disagreeing with the point that he scores goals from all over and in different ways.Scoham said:
Callum was disagreeing with the point that May scored any type of goal, all over the pitch.UEAAddick said:
Totally different levels, but Haaland scores loads of goals in the box. Does it not count then? You want strikers to score in the box.Callumcafc said:ElliotCAFC said:
I don’t know how many goals he exactly scored from outside the box, but it was certainly more than 1 - off the top of my head I can remember him scoring from outside the box at Wigan away and again from a free-kick towards the end of the season.Callumcafc said:ElliotCAFC said:I seriously struggle to understand how anyone can watch the past 13 games and believe Matt Godden is at the same level as Alfie May - and I really like Godden.Alfie May could score any type of goal from anywhere on the pitch, not only that, but was quite the talisman for us last season. Selling him seemed stupid at the time, it seems stupid now, and I think it will seem stupid at the end of the season.Hopefully this whole debate becomes increasingly moot as the season progresses and we somehow claw our way up to the Championship.Disagree on this point. From what he showed in his season here, all but one of his goals was scored from inside the penalty area. Everything points to him being a traditional poacher. Godden is the exact same type of player.Having said that I agree he was talismanic - he scored goals, worked hard and was easy to like as a local lad.Not only that, he regularly scored screamers for Cheltenham, once even a volley from the half-way line. He may not have done it as much for us as his role was different, but he had it in his locker - which Godden doesn’t.Location of all of last season’s goals. One from outside the area which is the Barnsley free kick you mentioned - 22 others all from inside the area, which is still great but yes, he’s a poacher first and foremost.The one against Wigan was counted as inside the area by Opta.
He did that more for Cheltenham than us but he’s still a poacher more than anything else, same with Godden. It’s not a bad thing.0 -
May in all comps: 6
Godden + Ahadme in all comps: 8
Checkmate!15 -
Nathan Jones after an evening reading Charlton Life:Callumcafc said:May in all comps: 6
Godden + Ahadme in all comps: 8
Checkmate!
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Gone full Peaky Blinder since he’s moved to B’ham.10 -
He can afford to pay someone for a haircut these days rather than cut his own.guinnessaddick said:Gone full Peaky Blinder since he’s moved to B’ham.0 -
What’s that fella sniffing off his shoulder?4
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He’s just eaten a chip off his shoulderGreenhithe said:What’s that fella sniffing off his shoulder?3 -
Is that Tom Huddlestone …who’s he working for ? He can’t still be playing is he0
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Nope, that is Nicky Ajose.oohaahmortimer said:Is that Tom Huddlestone …who’s he working for ? He can’t still be playing is he2 -
Yeah it is. He’s on the coaching team at Birmingham now.oohaahmortimer said:Is that Tom Huddlestone …who’s he working for ? He can’t still be playing is he1 -
A month later:Callumcafc said:May in all comps: 6
Godden + Ahadme in all comps: 8
Checkmate!
- May: 6
- Godden + Ahadme: 1215 -
Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.10
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Just league goals:Steven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
Alfie May: 15 games, 5 goals
Matt Godden: 15 games, 5 goals
Ahadme: 11 games 1 goal
So as shit as we have been May probably wouldn't have made THAT much difference10 -
Cant say things like that...Alfie May is revered as a god on here and you cant besmirch his good name!!thenewbie said:
Just league goals:Steven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
Alfie May: 15 games, 5 goals
Matt Godden: 15 games, 5 goals
Ahadme: 11 games 1 goal
So as shit as way have been May probably wouldn't have made THAT much difference6 -
Yeah, and we finished 16th with Alfie May. I think it might be about more than just strikersSteven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
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It certainly is. The question remains, why not focus on improving the rest of a crap team, rather than unnecessarily giving yourself the biggest problem in football - signing a good striker?Garrymanilow said:
Yeah, and we finished 16th with Alfie May. I think it might be about more than just strikersSteven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
I'm delighted that Gas got his goals today, just as I was delighted with his goal against Southend. However he reverted to type in the following league games. He still has it all to prove- and so does Jones - and there's no better time than Tuesday night to get on and do it.8 -
Said before I’ll be disappointed if our priority in January is a poacher to replace May. Losing your best players isn’t the way to go, but there are bigger reasons we’re mid table than May leaving.thenewbie said:
Just league goals:Steven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
Alfie May: 15 games, 5 goals
Matt Godden: 15 games, 5 goals
Ahadme: 11 games 1 goal
So as shit as we have been May probably wouldn't have made THAT much difference
We have May’s replacement in Godden and Leaburn will score goals too. Ahadme and Kanu will also contribute, even if they score nowhere near 15-20.
The service needs to improve, so the priority for me is adding creativity to the midfield/out wide and improving defensively where possible, which could be a GK, CB or FB depending who’s available.2 -
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Are we still having this conversation? 🥱
May is a better player than Godden. Move on.
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We could probably get May back in January when we sell Leaburn, then we can see who wins the Godden/May head to head.1
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Probably he is yes. But like with the Dobson vs Coventry issue I don't think that if we'd gone into this season with May instead of Godden we'd be much higher in the table.PopIcon said:Are we still having this conversation? 🥱
May is a better player than Godden. Move on.
He's a good striker no doubt but the fundamental problem with the season so far is Jones style and tactics and May would have been stifled by those too.4 -
It's probably not a stat but it's worth considering Birmingham's win rate and scoring rate in comparison to ours.king addick said:
Cant say things like that...Alfie May is revered as a god on here and you cant besmirch his good name!!thenewbie said:
Just league goals:Steven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
Alfie May: 15 games, 5 goals
Matt Godden: 15 games, 5 goals
Ahadme: 11 games 1 goal
So as shit as way have been May probably wouldn't have made THAT much difference0 -
Well, the argument would be that you sell a player for cash, replace him for less than you received and then use the rest of that money to get in players to improve the other positions. Logical but risky if the budget is limited and dictated by sales which by some accounts it was. I do think Godden was a good replacement for May even if I'd rather we'd kept May as well, the problem will always come in terms of whether or not the replacements perform. We all knew we needed a physical striker to hold the ball up, we knew we needed better midfielders and we needed some better defenders. Some of those areas were addressed fine, with Mitchell and Edwards being decent signings, and some haven't worked out so far like Docherty and Ahadme. It's beyond argument - it's just a fact - that so far Godden and May have scored the same number of goals in the league, it's just about whether the other pieces fall into place and if they don't Jones is always going to get some grief for selling a fan's favourite.PragueAddick said:
It certainly is. The question remains, why not focus on improving the rest of a crap team, rather than unnecessarily giving yourself the biggest problem in football - signing a good striker?Garrymanilow said:
Yeah, and we finished 16th with Alfie May. I think it might be about more than just strikersSteven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
I'm delighted that Gas got his goals today, just as I was delighted with his goal against Southend. However he reverted to type in the following league games. He still has it all to prove- and so does Jones - and there's no better time than Tuesday night to get on and do it.
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So you think we were wrong to sell a player who wanted to leave and had been offered three times his wages by Birmingham? He had the chance to make a once in a lifetime move which would provide financial security for his family. Yes, we could have forced him to stay for this season and then leave for nothing in May. I wonder how that would have worked out.Garrymanilow said:
Well, the argument would be that you sell a player for cash, replace him for less than you received and then use the rest of that money to get in players to improve the other positions. Logical but risky if the budget is limited and dictated by sales which by some accounts it was. I do think Godden was a good replacement for May even if I'd rather we'd kept May as well, the problem will always come in terms of whether or not the replacements perform. We all knew we needed a physical striker to hold the ball up, we knew we needed better midfielders and we needed some better defenders. Some of those areas were addressed fine, with Mitchell and Edwards being decent signings, and some haven't worked out so far like Docherty and Ahadme. It's beyond argument - it's just a fact - that so far Godden and May have scored the same number of goals in the league, it's just about whether the other pieces fall into place and if they don't Jones is always going to get some grief for selling a fan's favourite.PragueAddick said:
It certainly is. The question remains, why not focus on improving the rest of a crap team, rather than unnecessarily giving yourself the biggest problem in football - signing a good striker?Garrymanilow said:
Yeah, and we finished 16th with Alfie May. I think it might be about more than just strikersSteven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
I'm delighted that Gas got his goals today, just as I was delighted with his goal against Southend. However he reverted to type in the following league games. He still has it all to prove- and so does Jones - and there's no better time than Tuesday night to get on and do it.4 -
killerjerrylee said:
So you think we were wrong to sell a player who wanted to leave and had been offered three times his wages by Birmingham? He had the chance to make a once in a lifetime move which would provide financial security for his family. Yes, we could have forced him to stay for this season and then leave for nothing in May. I wonder how that would have worked out.Garrymanilow said:
Well, the argument would be that you sell a player for cash, replace him for less than you received and then use the rest of that money to get in players to improve the other positions. Logical but risky if the budget is limited and dictated by sales which by some accounts it was. I do think Godden was a good replacement for May even if I'd rather we'd kept May as well, the problem will always come in terms of whether or not the replacements perform. We all knew we needed a physical striker to hold the ball up, we knew we needed better midfielders and we needed some better defenders. Some of those areas were addressed fine, with Mitchell and Edwards being decent signings, and some haven't worked out so far like Docherty and Ahadme. It's beyond argument - it's just a fact - that so far Godden and May have scored the same number of goals in the league, it's just about whether the other pieces fall into place and if they don't Jones is always going to get some grief for selling a fan's favourite.PragueAddick said:
It certainly is. The question remains, why not focus on improving the rest of a crap team, rather than unnecessarily giving yourself the biggest problem in football - signing a good striker?Garrymanilow said:
Yeah, and we finished 16th with Alfie May. I think it might be about more than just strikersSteven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
I'm delighted that Gas got his goals today, just as I was delighted with his goal against Southend. However he reverted to type in the following league games. He still has it all to prove- and so does Jones - and there's no better time than Tuesday night to get on and do it.Er no? I didn't say that anywhere. I don't think we were wrong as such, I think I'd rather he still played for us because he scored lots of goals. I'm glad he's getting paid lots of money at Birmingham to see out his career but equally I think we're all kidding ourselves if we think there was any value in May and Jones staying in the same place for another season. There was clearly a clash which I reckon had issues on both sides. Jones doesn't like players who don't follow set instructions, wants his players to be busy where he tells them to and gives them an absolute earful when they don't. Alfie May is a player who flits all over the place trying to get the ball, doesn't like to be told what to do and is more than happy to give it back to his manager when he gets it. Alfie also likes to be the main man and Jones likes a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. May had his nose put out of joint by us looking to sign - hilariously - Luke Berry and Jones didn't like May mouthing off back to him in games when he shouted at him. Ideally in a professional environment you can sort these things out to be more productive despite differences but football is essentially a lot of quite big children playing outside all week so you get what you get.Whether or not decisions are good is dictated by results in the end. If we go up everyone can agree that like it or not it worked out as intended. If we don't then it's an extra large stick to beat Jones with that he's found for us himself. We'll see which one it is at the end of the season1 -
Having better players in the team would make a difference and May is unquestionably a better player than either Godden or Ahadme. Ridiculous that this is even a conversation.thenewbie said:
Just league goals:Steven81 said:Proper smashing it In the league ain't we with ahadme and godden.
Alfie May: 15 games, 5 goals
Matt Godden: 15 games, 5 goals
Ahadme: 11 games 1 goal
So as shit as we have been May probably wouldn't have made THAT much difference1 -
Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?
They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level.Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.13 -
We have eyes and have watched both players.FishCostaFortune said:Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?
They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level.Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.
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