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Paul Hart - steps down as assistant manager 29/8/2024 (p4)

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  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,456
    clive said:
    'Nathan Jones added Hart to his coaching staff in February, with the Addicks finishing the 2024/25 season strongly, including a 14-game unbeaten run.'

    Isn't this season the 2024/25 one? or maybe then mean finishing the 2023/24 and starting the 2024/25 season strongly??
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,169
    I take it James Brayne hasn’t started yet…
    That’s what I was wondering, no real evidence or improvement in set plays that I can see as yet.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,169
    Paul, does look like he needs a breather and getting past it, in those photos.
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,770
    Cheers Paul. Will be a sad loss for the club, but understand his reasons. All the best for your retirement.
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,001
    Thought it was a bit strange he’d disappeared. Possibly a loss to Jones but I really like Fleming. Seems like a good cop to NJ. 
  • Wait... We had someone on the Coaching Staff with the surname: "Hornby"

    Just wanna say... Thats Pwopa Charlton!!
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,410
    Sad to see PH go, and wonder what the background is. 
    I have met him socially through a pal and he knows his footy inside out. 
    A backward step (imo) but we will see. 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,074
    Wish him well, at 71 I don't blame him for wanting more time with his family 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,870
    Best wishes for his retirement. The only slightly odd thing is that they've waited so long to announce his departure, when it was obvious something had happened when he wasn't included in the club handbook.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,971
    Wish him well, at 71 I don't blame him for wanting more time with his family 
    Not sure Id want more with mine if I live to 171
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  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,648
    edited August 2024


    @‘Rock Spectacle"
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,784
    Wait... We had someone on the Coaching Staff with the surname: "Hornby"

    Just wanna say... Thats Pwopa Charlton!!
    He knows how to train them
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    I take it James Brayne hasn’t started yet…
    That’s what I was wondering, no real evidence or improvement in set plays that I can see as yet.
    Other than not conceding any goals. 
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,232
    I take it James Brayne hasn’t started yet…
    That’s what I was wondering, no real evidence or improvement in set plays that I can see as yet.
    He has moved up from his previous post with the club.
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/andy-scott-updated-first-team-staff-structure
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,870
    The swaps between us and Luton in the Sports Science area are interesting too, 2 joining us from Luton while Hornby goes the other way.

    Does Sports Science come under Will Abbott?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,730
    I take it James Brayne hasn’t started yet…
    That’s what I was wondering, no real evidence or improvement in set plays that I can see as yet.
    Maybe. Aneke did get a free header from a corner against Bolton. A side with Santos in the defence. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,231
    With hindsight, how much has Paul Hart's departure impacted?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,167
    Interestingly Terry said on comms he thought he'd seen Paul Hart at the Lincoln game. I wonder if NJ asked him to come and have a look to see where the problems might be
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    fenaddick said:
    Interestingly Terry said on comms he thought he'd seen Paul Hart at the Lincoln game. I wonder if NJ asked him to come and have a look to see where the problems might be
    Jones's tactics
  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,802
    With hindsight, how much has Paul Hart's departure impacted?

    A lot I think. 
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  • If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
  • Bournesnr said:
    If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
    Then why have an assistant?

    Have you ever written a document where it makes sense to you as the writer but when somebody sense checks it, they rip it to bits? This is not any different.

    if hart is watching and consulting, in happy as long as there is an improvement 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,231
    Bournesnr said:
    If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
    Seeing a problem and find a solution to it are two different things.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Bournesnr said:
    If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
    Then why have an assistant?

    Have you ever written a document where it makes sense to you as the writer but when somebody sense checks it, they rip it to bits? This is not any different.

    if hart is watching and consulting, in happy as long as there is an improvement 
    The assistant will do what the manager wants them to do. Some will take training, some will just hand out bibs. Just have a watch of the Graham Taylor documentary and see what Lawrie McMenemy used to do.

    A quick look at Curtis Fleming this Saturday and compare it at to how he acted previously might be telling to the relationship to him and Jones

  • Bournesnr said:
    If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
    Seeing a problem and find a solution to it are two different things.
    Agreed, so your saying he can see the problem but doesn’t know the solution, surely he’s payed to find ways of winning football matches.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,231
    Bournesnr said:
    Bournesnr said:
    If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
    Seeing a problem and find a solution to it are two different things.
    Agreed, so your saying he can see the problem but doesn’t know the solution, surely he’s payed to find ways of winning football matches.
    He certainly is paid to win football matches, well I very much hope he is.

    But he's clearly struggling to do that. Either because he can't see what the problem is EG his tactics or team selection or because what he is doing to try and solve the problem isn't working.

    If Hart, or anyone else, can help him out then all well and good.

    I'm not saying he's not responsible for the results, because ultimately he's the manager and that is he responsibility.

    I'm just saying he might need some help.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,179
    edited December 2024
    Impossible to know how much of an impact it’s had but what I would say is the football was shite before he left (yes we won some games in August but we did not play very well in most of them) and the two best performances of the season (vs. Birmingham and Stockport) came over a month after he left.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,429
    edited December 2024
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,429
    edited December 2024
    Impossible to know how much of an impact it’s had but what I would say is the football was shite before he left (yes we won some games in August but we did not play very well in most of them) and the two best performances of the season (vs. Birmingham and Stockport) came over a month after he left.
    When did Hart actually leave though? - There were comments earlier on this thread that he wasnt even included in the Handbook released at the start of the season, was he even there for Pre-Season?
  • I wonder if Hart decided to leave because of what he was seeing on the training ground and on match days and couldn’t countenance working with Jones. There’s no doubt Jones’s methods are left field and I’d imagine nothing like what Hart was used to. At his age perhaps he thought feck this I’m out.