Best wishes for his retirement. The only slightly odd thing is that they've waited so long to announce his departure, when it was obvious something had happened when he wasn't included in the club handbook.
Interestingly Terry said on comms he thought he'd seen Paul Hart at the Lincoln game. I wonder if NJ asked him to come and have a look to see where the problems might be
Interestingly Terry said on comms he thought he'd seen Paul Hart at the Lincoln game. I wonder if NJ asked him to come and have a look to see where the problems might be
If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
Then why have an assistant?
Have you ever written a document where it makes sense to you as the writer but when somebody sense checks it, they rip it to bits? This is not any different.
if hart is watching and consulting, in happy as long as there is an improvement
If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
Then why have an assistant?
Have you ever written a document where it makes sense to you as the writer but when somebody sense checks it, they rip it to bits? This is not any different.
if hart is watching and consulting, in happy as long as there is an improvement
The assistant will do what the manager wants them to do. Some will take training, some will just hand out bibs. Just have a watch of the Graham Taylor documentary and see what Lawrie McMenemy used to do.
A quick look at Curtis Fleming this Saturday and compare it at to how he acted previously might be telling to the relationship to him and Jones
If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
Seeing a problem and find a solution to it are two different things.
Agreed, so your saying he can see the problem but doesn’t know the solution, surely he’s payed to find ways of winning football matches.
He certainly is paid to win football matches, well I very much hope he is.
But he's clearly struggling to do that. Either because he can't see what the problem is EG his tactics or team selection or because what he is doing to try and solve the problem isn't working.
If Hart, or anyone else, can help him out then all well and good.
I'm not saying he's not responsible for the results, because ultimately he's the manager and that is he responsibility.
Impossible to know how much of an impact it’s had but what I would say is the football was shite before he left (yes we won some games in August but we did not play very well in most of them) and the two best performances of the season (vs. Birmingham and Stockport) came over a month after he left.
Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton
Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.
I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.
They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?
I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap
Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
Impossible to know how much of an impact it’s had but what I would say is the football was shite before he left (yes we won some games in August but we did not play very well in most of them) and the two best performances of the season (vs. Birmingham and Stockport) came over a month after he left.
When did Hart actually leave though? - There were comments earlier on this thread that he wasnt even included in the Handbook released at the start of the season, was he even there for Pre-Season?
I wonder if Hart decided to leave because of what he was seeing on the training ground and on match days and couldn’t countenance working with Jones. There’s no doubt Jones’s methods are left field and I’d imagine nothing like what Hart was used to. At his age perhaps he thought feck this I’m out.
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Isn't this season the 2024/25 one? or maybe then mean finishing the 2023/24 and starting the 2024/25 season strongly??
Just wanna say... Thats Pwopa Charlton!!
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/andy-scott-updated-first-team-staff-structure
Does Sports Science come under Will Abbott?
A lot I think.
Have you ever written a document where it makes sense to you as the writer but when somebody sense checks it, they rip it to bits? This is not any different.
if hart is watching and consulting, in happy as long as there is an improvement
A quick look at Curtis Fleming this Saturday and compare it at to how he acted previously might be telling to the relationship to him and Jones
But he's clearly struggling to do that. Either because he can't see what the problem is EG his tactics or team selection or because what he is doing to try and solve the problem isn't working.
If Hart, or anyone else, can help him out then all well and good.
I'm not saying he's not responsible for the results, because ultimately he's the manager and that is he responsibility.
I'm just saying he might need some help.
Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.
I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.
They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?
I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap
Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!