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Paul Hart - steps down as assistant manager 29/8/2024 (p4)

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  • edited December 11
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
  • edited December 11
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
  • fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Oh yes... thanks - Maybe we need to get a First Team Coach in then, so Brayne can focus on his speciality
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Oh yes... thanks - Maybe we need to get a First Team Coach in then, so Brayne can focus on his speciality
    Or an actual set piece coach not someone shoehorned in
  • fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    He was at the Orient game, not sure after that
  • fenaddick said:
    Interestingly Terry said on comms he thought he'd seen Paul Hart at the Lincoln game. I wonder if NJ asked him to come and have a look to see where the problems might be
    Think Jones should look in the mirror for that one.
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  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Miles has gone backwards badly, which doesn't reflect well on Hylton's coaching impact 
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Miles has gone backwards badly, which doesn't reflect well on Hylton's coaching impact 
    Yeah but you can't deny the impact Big Danners has had on the pitch
  • Bournesnr said:
    If Jones can’t see what the problem is and needs someone else to tell him we really are in deep shit.
    Seeing a problem and find a solution to it are two different things.
    With bells on.

    My boss is very good at spotting problems, but seems to have zero ability to solve them. Hence why my monthly catch up's he refers to as his counselling sessions.
  • I doubt its made any difference at all, seems like clutching at straws to suggest he would of made a difference. Everyone knows we need a creative mid, a wide player and a better striker.
  • I doubt its made any difference at all, seems like clutching at straws to suggest he would of made a difference. Everyone knows we need a creative mid, a wide player and a better striker.
    Maybe Paul Hart would have pointed that out to Jones and being an older "mentor" he might have been listened to.

    You're right that we need those players but in the meantime the manager has to work with what he has and he doesn't seem to even be doing that very well.
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    I've never understood why we as a club we don't have a defensive coach. 
  • An assistant that the players respond to and actually like would probably be a great asset. It's not all about Jones and what he needs. Imagine the fall blast, mad as a hatter, bad cop Jones- a good cop would be very beneficial for the players in that situation. If there are just a set of 'mini-me' Jones acolytes in assistant roles, nothing progresses. Shout out for some diversity in the coaching staff, an older wise head as Hart probably was! 
  • MrBurns said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    I've never understood why we as a club we don't have a defensive coach. 
    Fleming and Jones were both defenders in their playing days so they basically are the defensive coaches
  • fenaddick said:
     


    We never seem to have a large first team coaching set up, probably why after successive ownerships, SMT's, managers and players we never look any different.

    3 specialist coaches and 2 general and even then Jones had to push for Hylton to come in so we could have been down another. We're supposed to be a League one team with serious ambitions for promotion and surviving the next league up, is 5 really enough? 


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  • An assistant that the players respond to and actually like would probably be a great asset. It's not all about Jones and what he needs. Imagine the fall blast, mad as a hatter, bad cop Jones- a good cop would be very beneficial for the players in that situation. If there are just a set of 'mini-me' Jones acolytes in assistant roles, nothing progresses. Shout out for some diversity in the coaching staff, an older wise head as Hart probably was! 
    This. 
    Keith P did this job for Curbs during our successful times. Steered the likes of Carlo and Parker through sticky patches. 
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Is everyone still happy Stephen Henderson is our GK coach (since 2022)?
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Is everyone still happy Stephen Henderson is our GK coach (since 2022)?
    Our keepers are good shot stoppers, Mannion is good in the box and AMB has attempted to get better at that too. Main issue is distribution but that isn't a Henderson issue
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Has the much vaunted appointment of James Brayne made any damn difference to how shit we have been at set plays at both ends of the pitch?
  • Billy_Mix said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chris Cohen worked with Jones as well, whilst they were at Luton

    Cohen left Lincoln (where he was working last season as Assistant Manager) for Stoke in the summer, but left Stoke in September, and re-joined Lincoln in November. Really wonder why we didnt try and hire him when he left Stoke, especially as Paul Hart stepped down at Charlton a month beforehand.

    I cant believe that Jones didnt at least try to get more familiar faces around him with the hole that was made by Hart.

    They've been working together since 2020; Cohen even followed Jones to Southampton... So why not here?

    I've mentioned this a number of times now, but for a good few Managerial Appointments now, we've hired the sum of parts, rather than the group as a whole; Adkins without Crosby - Garner without Lindsay because we dont look at the bigger picture, and even though Jones is on a fair wage, we're still trying to do things on the cheap

    Its like Clough when he went to Leeds without Taylor!!
    I think Hart actually went before pre season and so Brayne was already in post when Cohen became available
    Is Brayne not the Set Piece Coach though?

    Fleming is Assistant Manager, and Hart (replaced by Cohen) the First Team Coach
    Brayne does set pieces and first team stuff 
    Has the much vaunted appointment of James Brayne made any damn difference to how shit we have been at set plays at both ends of the pitch?
    Our set piece xG for is second in the league. I can't find stats for defensive set piece xG but it might be out there somewhere
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