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POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Leyton Orient : Saturday 17th August 2024 : KO 12:30
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Gillsephey was brilliant at Wigan and had another good game on Saturday. We need to forget last season and judge him on what he’s doing now.Redhenry said:LargeAddick said:
When fit I'd replace Gillesphey with Edwards, Gillesphey is the weak link imo.Lincsaddick said:bit like Wigan, unspectacular, defence dominated win .. horrible tackle by Clare (you cnut), bit of a quandary, I say we were better in attack with Small for Edwards be good to somehow integrate both Small and Edwards into the starting Xl
Great defence, tight if over defence orientated midfield, attack? .. still to find its legs
Any word on the Edwards injury yet ??
We need two LWB's, that position will have to do a lot of work in NJ style of play...We do need another option there which is why Potts will probably be signed. Edwards has hardly played any football as a LCB so would probably be more of a weak link there than Gillesphey/Potts4 -
Honestly couldn't give a shit about May, Dobbo or CBT (who wasn't that good anyway once found out!)
Good luck to them of course but we needed to be a better "team" and whilst its early days, it seems it we will be that.
That is so much more important than 3 players.6 -
Yeah, I just need to get some new equipment, wasted far too much money on junk recording stuff, trial and error though.WrightCharlie said:
It can't be that easy though to get the video and audio perfect as a one-man operation, must be a lot to think about.Braziliance said:
My pleasure,WrightCharlie said:
Thanks for the video as couldn't make it down there yesterday so was glad to get a flavor of the atmosphere and game, cheers! And well done on the 5 for £5, nice idea.Braziliance said:Very late post, I've had an absolute nightmare today with my camera.
On to the game! A really enjoyable day out. Lovely weather, nice atmosphere, and 3 points to go with it.
I felt although we were fluffing chances, and our crossing was poor, we look so tough to beat, and honestly, after the crap served up these last few years, I'll take it. Not many teams will beat us I imagine.
Special mentions to Ramsay (motm) and Lloyd Jones, two very impressive performances from the pair. Also thought Coventry, Docherty, A.Mitchell, and of course, the match winner Berry, all had quietly good games, and looked fairly comfortable.
I like the look of newboy Gassan, reckon with a proper striker partner, he will be a problem, and I feel Mannion may be really decent business. He has the benefit of a good defence infront of him, but he looks very assured.
Roll on Bolton, which I feel is a real acid test for this team.
Happy Sunday addicks!
Did you keep a special eye out for Coventry like you mentioned before, and if you did what did you think?
I was really excited to do the 5 for 5, been thinking of ideas like this all summer to keep the vlog ticking, unfortunately, I think the execution was a little poor. Audio and a weird camera angle, I need to start getting to the Valley earlier and making a real day of it!
I did, he looked solid, everytime he received the ball, he got himself out of trouble, or found a pass. His corners were woeful, but he had a decent game. I still think we are really missing a creative spark, someone who can just run past a man in the middle. We don't have anyone like that imo.
I like Coventry and think he'll get better with more games under his belt. What was with his corners then? I saw an earlier comment that he put one into the side netting which is poor, I do just wish we were better at creating genuine chances from set pieces, if that happened I think we would score our fair share of goals.
As you say, we don't seem that good so far at running past people in the middle of the park. TC has genuine pace but in preseason I haven't seen much sign of hard-to-catch speed from Ahadme, Chuks, Godden, Doherty, Anderson, DK or Berry..?
They just weren't very good. He plays the simple passes, and he keeps the ball well, but his passing range isn't great from what I've seen so far. Hoping that improves as the season goes on.
None of them can do it, Docherty could before 4 years ago, maybe he can't anymore, hopefully he will find it again as the season goes on. It's definitely our biggest problem atm though, even Haaland would have a hard time playing up top for us with the lack of service.2 -
Looks like an ever increasing terrible decision by CBT to leave. Spent most of his career bouncing around Leagues 1 & 2 and never really settled until he got to us. Finally looked like he found a home and was playing some great football. Had his head turned and now doesn't get a game.king addick said:Honestly couldn't give a shit about May, Dobbo or CBT (who wasn't that good anyway once found out!)
Good luck to them of course but we needed to be a better "team" and whilst its early days, it seems it we will be that.
That is so much more important than 3 players.
Would expect to see him back down in league 1 in Jan.4 -
I am not so sure, I think Campbell is quicker with the ball at his feet, but in a flat race, I think May chases better. Either way, I think it's a bit odd he's starting cause he's not good enough for where we want to be imo and should be a bench option at best.crookester said:
Agree with a lot of that but Campbell is way quicker than MayBraziliance said:
Not to derail the thread about May, as I am over him to an extent, but I do find it odd that we have sold a striker who doesn't 'suit' Jones system, and are now trying to force a player who rarely scores into a striker, who is no stronger than May, or any quicker. May was the missing piece I felt at times yesterday.Chunes said:
Could we play the same way with Alfie May? I couldn't see him getting on the end of those long diagonals and muscling himself in front of the defender.GeoffB said:Alfie May has 2 in 2 league games for Brum. Our strikers have zero from 2. Only time will tell if decision to sell May was right. Incidentally one paper this morning described the fee as a snip so we let him go for too little as well. Repeating my point we need to score 75 to 80 goals to make play offs - must be a doubt about that. Somebody said win all games 1 -0 just not possible.
I think with May though, the club saw an opportunity for some cash and took it. My biggest gripe is we gifted Birmingham a golden ticket out of the league. That's my main issue still with that sale, wouldn't be bothered as much if we sold him a league above or below.
So the argument about us finishing low with the likes of May (which I've seen on social media), this season is nowhere near over, and we can't say how either of us will do 44 games from now, that said, I have little doubt that May would have been an asset to us.
We would look so much stronger with CBT, May and Dobbo at the very least as options. I am still hoping we can sign players of similar quality before the window closes to give us a proper chance of autos.NabySarr said:
And a lot strongercrookester said:
Agree with a lot of that but Campbell is way quicker than MayBraziliance said:
Not to derail the thread about May, as I am over him to an extent, but I do find it odd that we have sold a striker who doesn't 'suit' Jones system, and are now trying to force a player who rarely scores into a striker, who is no stronger than May, or any quicker. May was the missing piece I felt at times yesterday.Chunes said:
Could we play the same way with Alfie May? I couldn't see him getting on the end of those long diagonals and muscling himself in front of the defender.GeoffB said:Alfie May has 2 in 2 league games for Brum. Our strikers have zero from 2. Only time will tell if decision to sell May was right. Incidentally one paper this morning described the fee as a snip so we let him go for too little as well. Repeating my point we need to score 75 to 80 goals to make play offs - must be a doubt about that. Somebody said win all games 1 -0 just not possible.
I think with May though, the club saw an opportunity for some cash and took it. My biggest gripe is we gifted Birmingham a golden ticket out of the league. That's my main issue still with that sale, wouldn't be bothered as much if we sold him a league above or below.
So the argument about us finishing low with the likes of May (which I've seen on social media), this season is nowhere near over, and we can't say how either of us will do 44 games from now, that said, I have little doubt that May would have been an asset to us.
We would look so much stronger with CBT, May and Dobbo at the very least as options. I am still hoping we can sign players of similar quality before the window closes to give us a proper chance of autos.
He's not a lot stronger imo, and even if he was, it's not really relevant as neither of them are beating a proper tough centre back shoulder to shoulder, we'd be looking at that type of striker to make intelligent runs and take his chances, which currently Campbell does neither very well.
If Dobson was here, he would still be starting, Nathan Jones made that quite clear, and I've still yet to see any of our midfielders demonstrate the passing range Dobson has. Saw it in on show yesterday vs Bolton, had extremely underrated passing range.
The problem is the owners just don't have the money required to 'Man City' this league. Otherwise we wouldn't have to sell key assets to take chances on more unknown quantities.
Hopefully Jones can convince them to dip further though as this looks like a good season for us if we can strengthen up a bit.3 -
Is there a close up video of the assault available?addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!0 -
Not now, but on the day it was clear that Clare went over the top of the ball and caught Josh square on the ankle, looked deliberate, and should have been a red...🤷♂️charltonbob said:
Is there a close up video of the assault available?addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!0 -
I don’t think Jones would start Dobson ahead of Coventry, Docherty or Berry. Coventry played the deeper role last season once Jones took over, and the other 2 both played at higher levels than Dobson ever has last season, and both offer much more goal threat which is what we need from those roles.Braziliance said:
I am not so sure, I think Campbell is quicker with the ball at his feet, but in a flat race, I think May chases better. Either way, I think it's a bit odd he's starting cause he's not good enough for where we want to be imo and should be a bench option at best.crookester said:
Agree with a lot of that but Campbell is way quicker than MayBraziliance said:
Not to derail the thread about May, as I am over him to an extent, but I do find it odd that we have sold a striker who doesn't 'suit' Jones system, and are now trying to force a player who rarely scores into a striker, who is no stronger than May, or any quicker. May was the missing piece I felt at times yesterday.Chunes said:
Could we play the same way with Alfie May? I couldn't see him getting on the end of those long diagonals and muscling himself in front of the defender.GeoffB said:Alfie May has 2 in 2 league games for Brum. Our strikers have zero from 2. Only time will tell if decision to sell May was right. Incidentally one paper this morning described the fee as a snip so we let him go for too little as well. Repeating my point we need to score 75 to 80 goals to make play offs - must be a doubt about that. Somebody said win all games 1 -0 just not possible.
I think with May though, the club saw an opportunity for some cash and took it. My biggest gripe is we gifted Birmingham a golden ticket out of the league. That's my main issue still with that sale, wouldn't be bothered as much if we sold him a league above or below.
So the argument about us finishing low with the likes of May (which I've seen on social media), this season is nowhere near over, and we can't say how either of us will do 44 games from now, that said, I have little doubt that May would have been an asset to us.
We would look so much stronger with CBT, May and Dobbo at the very least as options. I am still hoping we can sign players of similar quality before the window closes to give us a proper chance of autos.NabySarr said:
And a lot strongercrookester said:
Agree with a lot of that but Campbell is way quicker than MayBraziliance said:
Not to derail the thread about May, as I am over him to an extent, but I do find it odd that we have sold a striker who doesn't 'suit' Jones system, and are now trying to force a player who rarely scores into a striker, who is no stronger than May, or any quicker. May was the missing piece I felt at times yesterday.Chunes said:
Could we play the same way with Alfie May? I couldn't see him getting on the end of those long diagonals and muscling himself in front of the defender.GeoffB said:Alfie May has 2 in 2 league games for Brum. Our strikers have zero from 2. Only time will tell if decision to sell May was right. Incidentally one paper this morning described the fee as a snip so we let him go for too little as well. Repeating my point we need to score 75 to 80 goals to make play offs - must be a doubt about that. Somebody said win all games 1 -0 just not possible.
I think with May though, the club saw an opportunity for some cash and took it. My biggest gripe is we gifted Birmingham a golden ticket out of the league. That's my main issue still with that sale, wouldn't be bothered as much if we sold him a league above or below.
So the argument about us finishing low with the likes of May (which I've seen on social media), this season is nowhere near over, and we can't say how either of us will do 44 games from now, that said, I have little doubt that May would have been an asset to us.
We would look so much stronger with CBT, May and Dobbo at the very least as options. I am still hoping we can sign players of similar quality before the window closes to give us a proper chance of autos.
He's not a lot stronger imo, and even if he was, it's not really relevant as neither of them are beating a proper tough centre back shoulder to shoulder, we'd be looking at that type of striker to make intelligent runs and take his chances, which currently Campbell does neither very well.
If Dobson was here, he would still be starting, Nathan Jones made that quite clear, and I've still yet to see any of our midfielders demonstrate the passing range Dobson has. Saw it in on show yesterday vs Bolton, had extremely underrated passing range.
The problem is the owners just don't have the money required to 'Man City' this league. Otherwise we wouldn't have to sell key assets to take chances on more unknown quantities.
Hopefully Jones can convince them to dip further though as this looks like a good season for us if we can strengthen up a bit.We didn’t go back in for Dobson this summer, so that clearly shows he fancies Docherty and Berry more, as they are probably on similar money to what Dobson was after.He’d probably be the next option, but if he was commanding a first team wage then the club probably couldn’t justify it which is fair enough. You can’t just expect us to spend spend spend, we have one of the better budgets in the league already3 -
Ok thanks, saw it on sky highlights but a waste of time really, couldn't see any real detail.eastterrace6168 said:
Not now, but on the day it was clear that Clare went over the top of the ball and caught Josh square on the ankle, looked deliberate, and should have been a red...🤷♂️charltonbob said:
Is there a close up video of the assault available?addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!0 -
How did Donley for LO? What position did he play?
Surprised he went straight into their starting XI given he only signed on loan on the Friday.0 -
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Didn't do very much tbh.JohnBoyUK said:How did Donley for LO? What position did he play?
Surprised he went straight into their starting XI given he only signed on loan on the Friday.
Had been training with them since Tuesday.1 -
A couple of nice passes but not much more than that. Seemed to have a decent engine on him but there was a lack of movement around him. Looks like there's a decent player in there but could take time to adapt to his teammates/the realities of L1 footballJohnBoyUK said:How did Donley for LO? What position did he play?
Surprised he went straight into their starting XI given he only signed on loan on the Friday.1 -
MANNION: nothing to do
A.MITCHELL: a decent upgrade on what we had, all about defence
JONES: his injury last season must have been earlier and more serious than we realised - he's barely recognisable, bailed Gillesphey out a couple of times
GILLESPHEY: surely only starting cos he's the only natural left sided CH we have? ponderous and error strewn against a couple of toothless lightweight opponents so far
RAMSAY: did well carried some threat
BERRY: quiet game until he popped up in the right place at the right time
COVENTRY: industrious and fairly composed without pulling up any trees, pretty safe until he took a corner or free kick when he was relentlessly hopeless - do they practise?
DOCHERTY: tougher than Coventry and busier than Berry but unremarkable so far
EDWARDS: Gillesphey was exposed quite a bit early on which suggests his defending wasn't brilliant, very unlucky to get brutally done by the coward Clare
AHADME: not even nuisance value, he doesn't look awful but he's barely ever involved
CAMPBELL: no service, long balls toward the smallest bloke in the team are stupid, especially when he could burn past any of the Orient defenders, if only the pass had come
SMALL; doesn't lack confidence, but his crossing lacks quality
Referee: did he win his boots and whistle in a raffle or christmas cracker?
ANEKE; one explosion of pace over about 30 yards (and the ensuing dismal clumsiness) had us all fearing his ability to continue, a better target for the hoofball but no telling contribution
GODDEN: looks to be in the Alfie May all action mould, clearly understood the brief for his 20 minute cameo
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Donley played one really nice pass early on which led to an Orient shot and I thought “here we go…” to be honest with you. But after that he was largely anonymous I thought.
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What about the flick on for the goal? I'd say that contribution was pretty tellingBilly_Mix said:MANNION: nothing to do
A.MITCHELL: a decent upgrade on what we had, all about defence
JONES: his injury last season must have been earlier and more serious than we realised - he's barely recognisable, bailed Gillesphey out a couple of times
GILLESPHEY: surely only starting cos he's the only natural left sided CH we have? ponderous and error strewn against a couple of toothless lightweight opponents so far
RAMSAY: did well carried some threat
BERRY: quiet game until he popped up in the right place at the right time
COVENTRY: industrious and fairly composed without pulling up any trees, pretty safe until he took a corner or free kick when he was relentlessly hopeless - do they practise?
DOCHERTY: tougher than Coventry and busier than Berry but unremarkable so far
EDWARDS: Gillesphey was exposed quite a bit early on which suggests his defending wasn't brilliant, very unlucky to get brutally done by the coward Clare
AHADME: not even nuisance value, he doesn't look awful but he's barely ever involved
CAMPBELL: no service, long balls toward the smallest bloke in the team are stupid, especially when he could burn past any of the Orient defenders, if only the pass had come
SMALL; doesn't lack confidence, but his crossing lacks quality
Referee: did he win his boots and whistle in a raffle or christmas cracker?
ANEKE; one explosion of pace over about 30 yards (and the ensuing dismal clumsiness) had us all fearing his ability to continue, a better target for the hoofball but no telling contribution
GODDEN: looks to be in the Alfie May all action mould, clearly understood the brief for his 20 minute cameo14 -
https://x.com/3rdTierEFL/status/1824843987313987937charltonbob said:
Is there a close up video of the assault available?addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!
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Absolutely disgusting tacklemendonca said:
https://x.com/3rdTierEFL/status/1824843987313987937charltonbob said:
Is there a close up video of the assault available?addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!2 -
What is a straight red card for if not that2
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Can a red be given retrospectively...'cause if not it should be..Leuth said:What is a straight red card for if not that0 -
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Apart from the assist. Coventry may have got a slight touch on it, but it was one of a few decent headers he won.Billy_Mix said:MANNION: nothing to do
A.MITCHELL: a decent upgrade on what we had, all about defence
JONES: his injury last season must have been earlier and more serious than we realised - he's barely recognisable, bailed Gillesphey out a couple of times
GILLESPHEY: surely only starting cos he's the only natural left sided CH we have? ponderous and error strewn against a couple of toothless lightweight opponents so far
RAMSAY: did well carried some threat
BERRY: quiet game until he popped up in the right place at the right time
COVENTRY: industrious and fairly composed without pulling up any trees, pretty safe until he took a corner or free kick when he was relentlessly hopeless - do they practise?
DOCHERTY: tougher than Coventry and busier than Berry but unremarkable so far
EDWARDS: Gillesphey was exposed quite a bit early on which suggests his defending wasn't brilliant, very unlucky to get brutally done by the coward Clare
AHADME: not even nuisance value, he doesn't look awful but he's barely ever involved
CAMPBELL: no service, long balls toward the smallest bloke in the team are stupid, especially when he could burn past any of the Orient defenders, if only the pass had come
SMALL; doesn't lack confidence, but his crossing lacks quality
Referee: did he win his boots and whistle in a raffle or christmas cracker?
ANEKE; one explosion of pace over about 30 yards (and the ensuing dismal clumsiness) had us all fearing his ability to continue, a better target for the hoofball but no telling contribution
GODDEN: looks to be in the Alfie May all action mould, clearly understood the brief for his 20 minute cameoHe thrives on passes to his feet in and around the box, but he very rarely receives any.1 -
Thanks for that.mendonca said:
https://x.com/3rdTierEFL/status/1824843987313987937charltonbob said:
Is there a close up video of the assault available?addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!
That's horrendous !0 -
No swearing btw, just told Wellens to get back in his box and undo his top buttonRedhenry said:
Might of been me but my abuse was aimed at WellensCallumcafc said:
Who wants to own up then?Callumcafc said:
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Mitchell, decent upgrade? He's on another level compared to last seasons drossfenaddick said:
What about the flick on for the goal? I'd say that contribution was pretty tellingBilly_Mix said:MANNION: nothing to do
A.MITCHELL: a decent upgrade on what we had, all about defence
JONES: his injury last season must have been earlier and more serious than we realised - he's barely recognisable, bailed Gillesphey out a couple of times
GILLESPHEY: surely only starting cos he's the only natural left sided CH we have? ponderous and error strewn against a couple of toothless lightweight opponents so far
RAMSAY: did well carried some threat
BERRY: quiet game until he popped up in the right place at the right time
COVENTRY: industrious and fairly composed without pulling up any trees, pretty safe until he took a corner or free kick when he was relentlessly hopeless - do they practise?
DOCHERTY: tougher than Coventry and busier than Berry but unremarkable so far
EDWARDS: Gillesphey was exposed quite a bit early on which suggests his defending wasn't brilliant, very unlucky to get brutally done by the coward Clare
AHADME: not even nuisance value, he doesn't look awful but he's barely ever involved
CAMPBELL: no service, long balls toward the smallest bloke in the team are stupid, especially when he could burn past any of the Orient defenders, if only the pass had come
SMALL; doesn't lack confidence, but his crossing lacks quality
Referee: did he win his boots and whistle in a raffle or christmas cracker?
ANEKE; one explosion of pace over about 30 yards (and the ensuing dismal clumsiness) had us all fearing his ability to continue, a better target for the hoofball but no telling contribution
GODDEN: looks to be in the Alfie May all action mould, clearly understood the brief for his 20 minute cameo1 -
Agree re the so called "Assistant Referees", but Clare had both feet off the ground, and it was reckless and I would say deliberate, a decent ref would have seen that for what it was and sent the sod off...🤷♂️Crusty54 said:
The ref was poorly positioned at right angles to the tackle. He wouldn't have seen the point of impact. Assistant Referees never seem to do what they should do.addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!0 -
The ref only saw it from behind Clare's head and body.eastterrace6168 said:
Agree re the so called "Assistant Referees", but Clare had both feet off the ground, and it was reckless and I would say deliberate, a decent ref would have seen that for what it was and sent the sod off...🤷♂️Crusty54 said:
The ref was poorly positioned at right angles to the tackle. He wouldn't have seen the point of impact. Assistant Referees never seem to do what they should do.addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!0 -
You sound very forgiving mate...if the guy couldn't read intent in that, then I give up, as indeed so should he...Crusty54 said:
The ref only saw it from behind Clare's head and body.eastterrace6168 said:
Agree re the so called "Assistant Referees", but Clare had both feet off the ground, and it was reckless and I would say deliberate, a decent ref would have seen that for what it was and sent the sod off...🤷♂️Crusty54 said:
The ref was poorly positioned at right angles to the tackle. He wouldn't have seen the point of impact. Assistant Referees never seem to do what they should do.addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!1 -
I'm not forgiving. He should have been sent off but the referee can only react to what he sees. He was in a very poor position. The Assistant should have seen the intent and told the referee.eastterrace6168 said:
You sound very forgiving mate...if the guy couldn't read intent in that, then I give up, as indeed so should he...Crusty54 said:
The ref only saw it from behind Clare's head and body.eastterrace6168 said:
Agree re the so called "Assistant Referees", but Clare had both feet off the ground, and it was reckless and I would say deliberate, a decent ref would have seen that for what it was and sent the sod off...🤷♂️Crusty54 said:
The ref was poorly positioned at right angles to the tackle. He wouldn't have seen the point of impact. Assistant Referees never seem to do what they should do.addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!8
