POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Leyton Orient : Saturday 17th August 2024 : KO 12:30

eastterrace6168

Crusty54 said:

eastterrace6168 said:

Crusty54 said:

eastterrace6168 said:

Crusty54 said:

addick19 said:

having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!

The ref was poorly positioned at right angles to the tackle. He wouldn't have seen the point of impact. Assistant Referees never seem to do what they should do.

Agree re the so called "Assistant Referees", but Clare had both feet off the ground, and it was reckless and I would say deliberate, a decent ref would have seen that for what it was and sent the sod off...🤷‍♂️

The ref only saw it from behind Clare's head and body.

You sound very forgiving mate...if the guy couldn't read intent in that, then I give up, as indeed so should he...

I'm not forgiving. He should have been sent off but the referee can only react to what he sees. He was in a very poor position. The Assistant should have seen the intent and told the referee.

Ok...fair enough...i've always agreed re the Assistant's role anyway 🤔

Radostanradical

golfaddick said:

eastterrace6168 said:

4th in the league after two games and two clean sheets, that'll do nicely, and as for 1-0 wins, the more the merrier...roll on Bolton next Saturday...

Surely with 2 clean sheets we should be top.......or is the truth that scoring goals does actually matter in the end. 

Its been two games. Have a day off.

Callumcafc

Been listening to NTT20’s weekly round up. 

I like that we aren’t being talked about much, it really feels like an opportunity to go under the radar. All we basically got this week was a “defensively solid, maybe they’ll have a better season this year” and they’d rather talk about Stockport and Huddersfield.

Absolutely fine by me. The longer we’re ignored the better I feel about how Nathan Jones has us moving forward.

soapboxsam

Showmetheway2gohome said:

It’s not pretty to watch.But if it gets us out of division 3 I don’t care.

Has our defence improved ?
The first two games we were hard to beat and two clean sheets were achieved.YES

Will we get out of League 1 with out improving the quality of crossing and passing in and around the box? NO

Will we improve our forward momentum and find the right combination with crosses and finishing with forwards scoring as well as defenders and midfielders? YES

Do we still need an X-factor player (Yann or Lyle type)?
YES.
Unless the X-factor player is already at the club 🤔

Are we in danger of going unbeaten(good thing) after 10 but drawing(ok away but...)too many games? YES.

Chunes

This has to be our strongest squad to start the league since we came back down. 

I will never forget the 2020 season where we started a midfield of Levitt, Oztumer and Vennings with Washington up front on his own (Vs Sunderland). And that was the fourth game of the season.

And who could forget Clayden at LB. 

On Saturday our LB got injured and we brought on Thierry Small. 

Gisappointed

soapboxsam said:

Showmetheway2gohome said:

It’s not pretty to watch.But if it gets us out of division 3 I don’t care.

Has our defence improved ?
The first two games we were hard to beat and two clean sheets were achieved.YES

Will we get out of League 1 with out improving the quality of crossing and passing in and around the box? NO

Will we improve our forward momentum and find the right combination with crosses and finishing with forwards scoring as well as defenders and midfielders? YES

Do we still need an X-factor player (Yann or Lyle type)?
YES.
Unless the X-factor player is already at the club 🤔

Are we in danger of going unbeaten(good thing) after 10 but drawing(ok away but...)too many games? YES.

As others have pointed out, we had  limited pre-season fixtures, and NJ sides have traditionally started slowly.  We need to cut out our reliance on diagonals from CBs.  Midfield doesn't convince me.

The X-factor player is just awaiting a work permit.

Our stand-by striker has played about six games in his position. Godden, Leaburn, a fitter Chuks and Dixon to come into the picture, and Kanu has few minutes gametime.

Two points a game will see us in automatics. We have 6 in 2.

addick19

As long as we stay in touch (by that I mean in the top ten) throughout the season then we're in with a shout- but lack of quality up front WILL cost us. Maybe the owners/investors will strengthen the squad in January if required.

Braziliance

Chunes said:

This has to be our strongest squad to start the league since we came back down. 

I will never forget the 2020 season where we started a midfield of Levitt, Oztumer and Vennings with Washington up front on his own (Vs Sunderland). And that was the fourth game of the season.

And who could forget Clayden at LB. 

On Saturday our LB got injured and we brought on Thierry Small. 

Yeah it's quite bonkers how bad a lot of our teams have been over the years, even some of our line ups in the championship when we were relegated.

That's why it's a shame we can't get more in and really solidify ourselves. Only a handful of signings away from having a similar calibre of squad to the likes of Bolton.

9goalswentpastperry

Callumcafc said:

Been listening to NTT20’s weekly round up. 

I like that we aren’t being talked about much, it really feels like an opportunity to go under the radar. All we basically got this week was a “defensively solid, maybe they’ll have a better season this year” and they’d rather talk about Stockport and Huddersfield.

Absolutely fine by me. The longer we’re ignored the better I feel about how Nathan Jones has us moving forward.

I listened to that, as I always do. I give their views a lot of clout. I think they actually said we were under the radar but such is the nature of these things that if we beat Bolton I'm expecting their Monday podcast (when hopefully we are the only team with maximum points) to be banging on about how we are the team to beat. 

Covered End

Exiled_Addick said:

I’m not alone in this, but every time we’ve sacked a manager since Adkins left I’ve been asking for someone who will set us out to be tough to beat first and build from there. Instead we kept hiring managers who only wanted to talk about playing attractive football and season after season we’ve had the same soft under belly and it’s only gotten bigger and softer.

The league campaign is only two matches old, but I’m willing to say the soft under belly is gone. It was a tough, physical game first half (too physical in the case of Clare’s “tackle”) but we gave every bit as good as we got and, as the game wore on, it was us who came out of the battering the stronger. When was the last time we prevailed in a match like that? Normally we would concede a soft goal and collapse but we’ve barely given up a shot on target all season so far. 

Do that and you earn the right to play. We had to stick at it and win a bit ugly today because Orient matched us for a good chunk of the game. There will be more games like this where we must be patient but if we keep defending like this we’ll always be in games. There will also be weeks we play teams more like we have been in recent seasons. When we do that we may well steam roller them.

Not going to get carried away because we do need to show more quality in attack, but the foundations look strong, at last. 

I've been wanting us to get stuck in, be hard to beat etc for the whole of my Charlton supporting days and it only ever happened in our successful periods ie Lawrence, Curbishley, Powell and Bowyer.
The owners have generally brought in nice blokes who were not up to a battle each week.
Fixtures v Millwall probably illustrate this best when we nearly always bottle it.

I'll never forget the amount of people berating Bowyer for allegedly making Jonny Williams cry.

NB as for golf "I'm always right" addick.
No you're not and your opinion of, I don't care about clean sheets, it's all about scoring goals - well you couldn't be more wrong.

Covered End

msomerton said:

0-0 would have reflected that game better.
But will always be happy when luck on our side. 
As a game it was tedious, we had no creativity in midfield.TC frightend the Orient defence with pace but has no shot on him
 Ahamanade just.seem slow to every thing. He cannot winthe ball or hold it up.
The  difference in the second half was Chuck Aneke and his physicality..
Small and Ramsy are terrible at crossing into the box,the corners today were poor.
Just glad the defending is capable last minutes blocks and tackles.

What luck did we have?
If anything I thought we were a touch unlucky.
Edwards stretchered off & Clare allowed to continue when he should have been sent off.

LenGlover

Any news on the seriousness of the injury to Edwards?

Covered End

Callumcafc said:

Already earned 11.3% of last season’s points total (6/53)

Already earned 40% of last season’s clean sheet total (2/5)

100% Callum likes a percentage.

Covered End

LargeAddick said:

Oh, trap three in the first East Stand bogs still has a broken lock, entering the third season now. I mean how difficult is it to repair. I'd rather not poo with a crowd watching if you don't mind.

You are correct of course, but I've never had a shit at Charlton in over 50 years.

YannTheMann

LenGlover said:

Any news on the seriousness of the injury to Edwards?

It appears to be less serious than first feared, looks like he will be out for weeks not months. Source: SLP

Raith_C_Chattonell

I doubt if anyone takes a dump in trap three without the lock.  However, with an investment of the princely sum of £1.49 you could use the cleanest trap around ... and with complete impoonity.

Covered End

Chippycafc said:

Hope Edward's injury isnt as bad as I have heard...broken ankle.

It wasn't.

Covered End

Bailey said:

Chippycafc said:

Hope Edward's injury isnt as bad as I have heard...broken ankle.

I don't know where you have heard that but at the very least it's ligament damage and potentially a career ending challenge, lets hope we are both wrong.  

You were.

Callumcafc

Just got back from the game @Covered End ?

Covered End

Alwaysneil said:

golfaddick said:

RedRobin said:

A clean sheet win, what else can you ask for? 

To have scored 2 more then we'd be top.

It would just be our luck to finish 3rd, same number of points as 2nd but miss out on GD. Or worse, by goals scored.

So we win the first two games, keeping a clean sheet in both with some organised defence, and you focus on rhe negative. God it must be tiring. 

It exhausts me just reading it (and I like reading everyone's comments).
It's like an endless barrage of daily  body blows.

YannTheMann

I'm all for Covered End coming out and calling out the fearmongerers passing on utter bollocks. Fair play, people calling diagnosis' before he'd even had a fucking scan! 

jonno

Covered End said:

LargeAddick said:

Oh, trap three in the first East Stand bogs still has a broken lock, entering the third season now. I mean how difficult is it to repair. I'd rather not poo with a crowd watching if you don't mind.

You are correct of course, but I've never had a shit at Charlton in over 50 years.

Me neither but watched plenty of it!

Covered End

jonno said:

Covered End said:

LargeAddick said:

Oh, trap three in the first East Stand bogs still has a broken lock, entering the third season now. I mean how difficult is it to repair. I'd rather not poo with a crowd watching if you don't mind.

You are correct of course, but I've never had a shit at Charlton in over 50 years.

Me neither but watched plenty of it!

So it's you watching Large   

Covered End

Callumcafc said:

Just got back from the game @Covered End ?

Busy Saturday night.
BBQ Sunday.
Hung over Monday.
Caught up on Wednesday.   @Craig David