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POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Leyton Orient : Saturday 17th August 2024 : KO 12:30
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Ahadme was on his own a lot of the time he was on the pitch and there is no aerial threat to join him other than the CBs.Be good if any additional midfielders incoming could pass through the lines and also challenge for a header.2
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So what are the club going to do about Fraser?NabySarr said:
Would we look stronger with spending the wages requested on CBT and Dobson? I’m not sure, as it would then take away money from elsewhere. We don’t even play with wingers so you’d be paying CBT probably £7k+ a week and he wouldn’t even start. Jones preferred Coventry in the holding role, is Dobson worth £7k a week in a box to box role or as a backup holding mid?Braziliance said:
Not to derail the thread about May, as I am over him to an extent, but I do find it odd that we have sold a striker who doesn't 'suit' Jones system, and are now trying to force a player who rarely scores into a striker, who is no stronger than May, or any quicker. May was the missing piece I felt at times yesterday.Chunes said:
Could we play the same way with Alfie May? I couldn't see him getting on the end of those long diagonals and muscling himself in front of the defender.GeoffB said:Alfie May has 2 in 2 league games for Brum. Our strikers have zero from 2. Only time will tell if decision to sell May was right. Incidentally one paper this morning described the fee as a snip so we let him go for too little as well. Repeating my point we need to score 75 to 80 goals to make play offs - must be a doubt about that. Somebody said win all games 1 -0 just not possible.
I think with May though, the club saw an opportunity for some cash and took it. My biggest gripe is we gifted Birmingham a golden ticket out of the league. That's my main issue still with that sale, wouldn't be bothered as much if we sold him a league above or below.
So the argument about us finishing low with the likes of May (which I've seen on social media), this season is nowhere near over, and we can't say how either of us will do 44 games from now, that said, I have little doubt that May would have been an asset to us.
We would look so much stronger with CBT, May and Dobbo at the very least as options. I am still hoping we can sign players of similar quality before the window closes to give us a proper chance of autos.
With May I think it’s pretty clear that we funded the Ahadme signing with that money. He’s not a better player but it’s clear that he fits the style which is arguably more important. Think that is the debatable one as maybe we could have found a cheaper Ahadme alternative
Ideally we’d have kept them all and strengthened but that isn’t realistic unless you have a Birmingham budget. If you’re spending £7k a week on a player they’ve got to be a guaranteed starter0 -
I’m not looking back. Sure, I miss May, Dobbo & CBT, but did we look a better side when they were playing? Sometimes maybe, but sometimes not, and we’re looking stronger and better organised (so far) than we did last season. Forget ‘em, because they’re not coming back.2
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Anybody else remember that collectors item near the end of the game, when Chucks ran so fast I thought he was going to do himself a mischief?4
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I just need to adjust my mindset.
Instead of getting frustrated at the apparent toothlessness of our forward play, I just need to bask in the invincibility of our defence and content myself with the smug certainty that we are going to outstamina the oppo with an inevitable happenstance of the expiring unfit fatboys allowing our bronzed adoni to pluck an inevitable winner. 44 more times.
Piece of piss
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Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.11 -
96 more points to goguinnessaddick said:
We had 9 one nils win under SCP, the season we won league 1.EveshamAddick said:
I don’t know about Seed but Curbs had one noughts - probly…LenGlover said:Nothing wrong with a 1-0 win.
Curbs and the great Jimmy Seed both had their fair share of one nils.2 -
Berry actually seemed to win a fair amount in the air given his stature.Alwaysneil said:Ahadme was on his own a lot of the time he was on the pitch and there is no aerial threat to join him other than the CBs.Be good if any additional midfielders incoming could pass through the lines and also challenge for a header.0 -
Agree 100%killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Whilst we are on the coaching subject, our play rarely makes use of
‘the old 1 - 2 pass’. Most well coached teams use it - for the obvious reason it takes out 1 oppo from tackling. The ‘give & go’ that creates triangles and advances you up the pitch in possession.0 -
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.4 -
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Maybe we want to keep the ball from a throw ...6
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Probably rewritten to focus on keeping possession over getting the ball forward as quickly as possible.golfaddick said:
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.
We should be using both depending on the situation.3 -
At times on Saturday we actually took throw ins about 10m further back than where the ball had gone out of play. Most teams try and gain 5-10m forwards when taking throws.5
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Totally agree. We've been poor at throw-ins for years and as a a guess would say we have lost possession more often than not when taking a throw, so I'm sure they've been instructed to try and keep the ball.Scoham said:
Probably rewritten to focus on keeping possession over getting the ball forward as quickly as possible.golfaddick said:
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.
We should be using both depending on the situation.
I read somewhere that Josh Edwards has a long throw but as I have only watched him for 26 minutes, when we didn't have a throw-in anywhere near the final quarter of the pitch, I still don't know whether this is true or not. Anyone know?0 -
seth plum said:Anybody else remember that collectors item near the end of the game, when Chucks ran so fast I thought he was going to do himself a mischief?Yep. From the match thread:aliwibble said:Nice interplay between Chuks and Godden, but Chuks ends up in a foot race and a heavy touch means the balls out for a goal kick. Seems to be grimacing slightly afterwards as well.0
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Pretty certain it was him in the first half at Wigan who launched a beauty of a throw well in to the 6 yard box and as with most decent balls placed by us our striking instincts are nowhere to be seen and the ball passed comfortably through the danger area .Bangkokaddick said:
I read somewhere that Josh Edwards has a long throw but as I have only watched him for 26 minutes, when we didn't have a throw-in anywhere near the final quarter of the pitch, I still don't know whether this is true or not. Anyone know?2 -
We're not a possession and passing team though, of the sort that can pass the ball on the deck from one end to another. Too often we have a throw in well in their half, throw it backwards, and after the centre backs get closed down, they end up hoofing it anyway. Or the opposition block it for a throw in OUR half.jams said:Maybe we want to keep the ball from a throw ...
And the point of having players moving into the space beyond the last defenders, is that opposition players will have to move back to cover them, creating more space on the pitch for us to receive the ball in better positions.4 -
Yeah he launched a few in at WiganBangkokaddick said:
Totally agree. We've been poor at throw-ins for years and as a a guess would say we have lost possession more often than not when taking a throw, so I'm sure they've been instructed to try and keep the ball.Scoham said:
Probably rewritten to focus on keeping possession over getting the ball forward as quickly as possible.golfaddick said:
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.
We should be using both depending on the situation.
I read somewhere that Josh Edwards has a long throw but as I have only watched him for 26 minutes, when we didn't have a throw-in anywhere near the final quarter of the pitch, I still don't know whether this is true or not. Anyone know?1 -
Watching in the flesh I didn’t see the grimace, but there was a nice collections of grins around me watching that happenstance.aliwibble said:seth plum said:Anybody else remember that collectors item near the end of the game, when Chucks ran so fast I thought he was going to do himself a mischief?Yep. From the match thread:aliwibble said:Nice interplay between Chuks and Godden, but Chuks ends up in a foot race and a heavy touch means the balls out for a goal kick. Seems to be grimacing slightly afterwards as well.1 -
Talking of Edwards, he's due an x-ray today on his ankle, so 🤞 it's not bad news, and we can see him back soon...NabySarr said:
Yeah he launched a few in at WiganBangkokaddick said:
Totally agree. We've been poor at throw-ins for years and as a a guess would say we have lost possession more often than not when taking a throw, so I'm sure they've been instructed to try and keep the ball.Scoham said:
Probably rewritten to focus on keeping possession over getting the ball forward as quickly as possible.golfaddick said:
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.
We should be using both depending on the situation.
I read somewhere that Josh Edwards has a long throw but as I have only watched him for 26 minutes, when we didn't have a throw-in anywhere near the final quarter of the pitch, I still don't know whether this is true or not. Anyone know?4 -
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I thought he moved back north to be nearer his family??Stu_of_Kunming said:
Clearly no champ club wanted May and he’d have never drop to league 2, so whilst I agree selling May is a huge risk, once NJ decided he wasn’t needed, I’m not sure what other choice the club had other than to sell to Brum.Braziliance said:
Not to derail the thread about May, as I am over him to an extent, but I do find it odd that we have sold a striker who doesn't 'suit' Jones system, and are now trying to force a player who rarely scores into a striker, who is no stronger than May, or any quicker. May was the missing piece I felt at times yesterday.Chunes said:
Could we play the same way with Alfie May? I couldn't see him getting on the end of those long diagonals and muscling himself in front of the defender.GeoffB said:Alfie May has 2 in 2 league games for Brum. Our strikers have zero from 2. Only time will tell if decision to sell May was right. Incidentally one paper this morning described the fee as a snip so we let him go for too little as well. Repeating my point we need to score 75 to 80 goals to make play offs - must be a doubt about that. Somebody said win all games 1 -0 just not possible.
I think with May though, the club saw an opportunity for some cash and took it. My biggest gripe is we gifted Birmingham a golden ticket out of the league. That's my main issue still with that sale, wouldn't be bothered as much if we sold him a league above or below.
So the argument about us finishing low with the likes of May (which I've seen on social media), this season is nowhere near over, and we can't say how either of us will do 44 games from now, that said, I have little doubt that May would have been an asset to us.
We would look so much stronger with CBT, May and Dobbo at the very least as options. I am still hoping we can sign players of similar quality before the window closes to give us a proper chance of autos.1 -
His tiny little football brain can’t comprehend that.Scoham said:
Probably rewritten to focus on keeping possession over getting the ball forward as quickly as possible.golfaddick said:
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.
We should be using both depending on the situation.“Throw ball…kick ball…goal”5 -
I'm hoping to get in touch with the radiographer to get me the photos to put up on the newly formed 'AnkleLife' pageeastterrace6168 said:
Talking of Edwards, he's due an x-ray today on his ankle, so 🤞 it's not bad news, and we can see him back soon...NabySarr said:
Yeah he launched a few in at WiganBangkokaddick said:
Totally agree. We've been poor at throw-ins for years and as a a guess would say we have lost possession more often than not when taking a throw, so I'm sure they've been instructed to try and keep the ball.Scoham said:
Probably rewritten to focus on keeping possession over getting the ball forward as quickly as possible.golfaddick said:
Thank Christ somebody else gets it regarding throws.killerandflash said:Our corners and attacking throw ins still leave a lot to be desired.
Yes the delivery could be better, but our movement in the box is as much of a problem. Our players seem very easy to mark, as they are so static. With the famous Jacko last minute winner against QPR, Jacko's great run was what earned him the space to get his header on goal. Indeed who is our set piece coach at the moment, as it used to be Hayes, and Hart seems to have vanished?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NqBNhZXeE
As for the throw ins, I sometimes wonder if professional players forget that you can't be offside from a throw in, as I can't think of any other logical explanation for why we constantly throw the ball backwards when in a good position in the opposition half, with no players running into the space beyond the last defender, stretching their defence.
Does my nut in everytime I see us having a throw-in and it not being thrown forwards towards their goal/byeline. We should always have someone 10-15 yards down the touchline ready to collect the throw. This will drag the defenders deeper and therefore get us further up the pitch. Once thrown we might get into their box or get a corner. But certainly wont happen with a ball thrown back to a defender on the half way line.
I do sometimes wonder where the basic coaching manual has gone.
We should be using both depending on the situation.
I read somewhere that Josh Edwards has a long throw but as I have only watched him for 26 minutes, when we didn't have a throw-in anywhere near the final quarter of the pitch, I still don't know whether this is true or not. Anyone know?7 -
having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!4
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LargeAddick said:
When fit I'd replace Gillesphey with Edwards, Gillesphey is the weak link imo.Lincsaddick said:bit like Wigan, unspectacular, defence dominated win .. horrible tackle by Clare (you cnut), bit of a quandary, I say we were better in attack with Small for Edwards be good to somehow integrate both Small and Edwards into the starting Xl
Great defence, tight if over defence orientated midfield, attack? .. still to find its legs
Any word on the Edwards injury yet ??
We need two LWB's, that position will have to do a lot of work in NJ style of play...3 -
Might of been me but my abuse was aimed at WellensCallumcafc said:
Who wants to own up then?Callumcafc said:
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What ??? I'm still pissed off that we sold Killer to Derby & gave Yann to Bournemouth, it takes timeJamesSeed said:I’m not looking back. Sure, I miss May, Dobbo & CBT, but did we look a better side when they were playing? Sometimes maybe, but sometimes not, and we’re looking stronger and better organised (so far) than we did last season. Forget ‘em, because they’re not coming back.
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Strange how everyone else saw the ABH committed in Josh, apart from the so-called ref, and his equally inept linesman...🤷♂️addick19 said:having seen the 'tackle' I am at a loss as to how Clare stayed on the pitch; absolutely horrific!1 -
May, Dobbo & CBT are barely worth registering compared to Killer & Yanncharltonbob said:
What ??? I'm still pissed off that we sold Killer to Derby & gave Yann to Bournemouth, it takes timeJamesSeed said:I’m not looking back. Sure, I miss May, Dobbo & CBT, but did we look a better side when they were playing? Sometimes maybe, but sometimes not, and we’re looking stronger and better organised (so far) than we did last season. Forget ‘em, because they’re not coming back.8 -
They ain't even the steam off of Killer's piss...Pelling1993 said:
May, Dobbo & CBT are barely worth registering compared to Killer & Yanncharltonbob said:
What ??? I'm still pissed off that we sold Killer to Derby & gave Yann to Bournemouth, it takes timeJamesSeed said:I’m not looking back. Sure, I miss May, Dobbo & CBT, but did we look a better side when they were playing? Sometimes maybe, but sometimes not, and we’re looking stronger and better organised (so far) than we did last season. Forget ‘em, because they’re not coming back.1
