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Good luck with both your horses AA.0
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Going Ascot on Saturday, cost me £45 quid a ticket. First race has 3 runners, next 5 runners, then 4, then 5....
Really annoyed with myself for not waiting or researching last years fields etc.0 -
Going to Ascot tomorrow it's free downstairs or £25 upstairs.0
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The usual "Devil in the Detail" when it comes to Financial Statements from 21st Century British Chancellors of any political persuasion.
This one, totally unflagged in Hunt's address on Wednesday, simply adds to the anti-racing, anti-punter policies of "Conservative" [sic] (and Labour) Party today.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/potential-online-gambling-tax-hike-threatens-to-blow-up-funding-of-racing-atPho2H1ZEGy/
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The PM and the DCMS knew absolutely nothing about this in advance and not surprisingly the BHA and the operators are livid. DCMS were in damage limitation mode yesterday!PeanutsMolloy said:The usual "Devil in the Detail" when it comes to Financial Statements from 21st Century British Chancellors of any political persuasion.
This one, totally unflagged in Hunt's address on Wednesday, simply adds to the anti-racing, anti-punter policies of "Conservative" [sic] (and Labour) Party today.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/potential-online-gambling-tax-hike-threatens-to-blow-up-funding-of-racing-atPho2H1ZEGy/1 -
Great run and reward for taking on the big guns.alburyaddick said:Ive got Dr Hackenbush running at Wolves tomorrow 430pm - I would have thought a decent ew shot - then I saw the early price 7-2 , so I'm not sure even I will bother. Its with John Gosden because my mate Jon Shack is principal owner and he has Emily Upjohn with JG. I think that probably shortens the price.
Then Junkanoo is running his first hurdle race at Ascot on Friday 125pm. Its a bit scary but the race only has 4 runners !! for a £30k race so as long as he gets round safe & sound we will get c £2k for 4th position. I think he will be c 20-1, so who knows if the others fall or have a bad day.1 -
When he pulled wide coming in the straight I thought he was going to win, but a very satisfactory debut hurdling.1
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Thanks guys, I was chuffed to bits with how he ran - I love the horse he is one of those like George Dobson who always tries his hardest and that’s all we can ask !5
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Great run from Junkanoo, must be pleased with that mate!alburyaddick said:Ive got Dr Hackenbush running at Wolves tomorrow 430pm - I would have thought a decent ew shot - then I saw the early price 7-2 , so I'm not sure even I will bother. Its with John Gosden because my mate Jon Shack is principal owner and he has Emily Upjohn with JG. I think that probably shortens the price.
Then Junkanoo is running his first hurdle race at Ascot on Friday 125pm. Its a bit scary but the race only has 4 runners !! for a £30k race so as long as he gets round safe & sound we will get c £2k for 4th position. I think he will be c 20-1, so who knows if the others fall or have a bad day.0 -
In the John Durkan Memorial run at Punchestown today, Willis Mullins saddled five of the six runners including the odds on favourite, Gallopin Des Champs. The race was won by a 9/1 shot, Fastorslow - the only one that wasn't from the Mullins stable!3
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Gold Cup bound for the timebing but he has an interesting GN pedigree has Fastorslow.Addick Addict said:In the John Durkan Memorial run at Punchestown today, Willis Mullins saddled five of the six runners including the odds on favourite, Gallopin Des Champs. The race was won by a 9/1 shot, Fastorslow - the only one that wasn't from the Mullins stable!
From the family of Blaklion and Nil Desperandum (both twice placed) but, unlike either, is inbred to Wild Risk on his damside.
He'll have a lump to carry if and when he heads for the Aintree marathon though.1 -
Wide open Hennessy this afternoon and up to 7 places available e/w.
Both of my fancies are near the head of the market so, as a dyed-in-the-wool e/w punter, I'll limit myself to:
MAHLER MISSION (17/2) - so unfortunate but impressive in the NH Chase. Only 10-07 today with the jockey taking off 3lbs.
TWIG (11/1) - ultra consistent chase record to date, a winner at 26f, shapes like the sterner the stamina test the better and the customary lung-busting pace on GS this pm will see to that. From family of Rathvinden, shares his sire with Rule The World and his damsire with I Am Maximus.
Conditional jockey Beau Morgan (33% win and 70% first 4 record from 40 chases) takes off 5 to leave him with a featherweight 9.11.
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Great win for Jamie Snowden with Datsalrightgino.
Close but no cigar for Mahler.
Twig outpaced but watch out for him over further.1 Datsalrightgino (GER) 16/12 Mahler Mission (IRE) 15/23 Monbeg Genius (IRE) 13/24 Eldorado Allen (FR) 18/15 Cloudy Glen (IRE) 20/16 Shakem Up'arry (IRE) 33/17 Ga Law (FR) 33/11 -
AA, I'm off to Plumpton tomorrow and see that Junkanoo is in the first, 15/8 favourite.alburyaddick said:Thanks guys, I was chuffed to bits with how he ran - I love the horse he is one of those like George Dobson who always tries his hardest and that’s all we can ask !
Must have a good chance after his first run, good luck.2 -
Thanks iaitch - I’m obviously hoping for a good run but its a tougher race than ascot - I would have thought that the Chris Gordon horse should be favourite - as ever the main thing is if he jumps a clear round and comes back safeiaitch said:
AA, I'm off to Plumpton tomorrow and see that Junkanoo is in the first, 15/8 favourite.alburyaddick said:Thanks guys, I was chuffed to bits with how he ran - I love the horse he is one of those like George Dobson who always tries his hardest and that’s all we can ask !
Must have a good chance after his first run, good luck.2 -
The Gordon horse controlled the race throughout, thought Junkanoo was going to get him over the last but couldn't quite get on terms, another pleasing run by yours, where does he go next?alburyaddick said:
Thanks iaitch - I’m obviously hoping for a good run but its a tougher race than ascot - I would have thought that the Chris Gordon horse should be favourite - as ever the main thing is if he jumps a clear round and comes back safeiaitch said:
AA, I'm off to Plumpton tomorrow and see that Junkanoo is in the first, 15/8 favourite.alburyaddick said:Thanks guys, I was chuffed to bits with how he ran - I love the horse he is one of those like George Dobson who always tries his hardest and that’s all we can ask !
Must have a good chance after his first run, good luck.0 -
Thanks iaitch- I hope you enjoyed a good day and backed some winners, I couldn't believe how crowded it was. Junkanoo ran really well and like you when he challenged at the last I thought we were going to win ( and I deafened the woman next to me in the Stands) . I think he only just gets 2 miles and we would have appreciated a bit more juice in the ground, it was more good than soft. They really like the Gordon horse so there was no shame in defeat and he came back hale and hearty this morning.
We'll give him 3-4 weeks off , then there are quite a few options but there is a nice 5yo+ Nov Hurdle at Kempton on Jan 13th which might work
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Enjoyed the day but closest to a winner was your horse. It was a bit crowded, gave up trying to get a beer.
Sure you'll let us know when he's running again, cheers.
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What a performance by jockey Joe Anderson on Transmission in the 14:15 at Plumpton. The horse very nearly came down fairly early on and Joe had both legs one side of the horse, with the jockey hanging from the horse's neck. He managed to get back in the saddle but had no irons for about half a circuit. He finally got his feet back in the irons and amazingly went on to win the biggest race of the day to bag a first prize of £39k.
The owners and punters alike owe Joe a big drink.3 -
I was on Hititi who finished second but it was an amazing recovery from Anderson.superclive98 said:What a performance by jockey Joe Anderson on Transmission in the 14:15 at Plumpton. The horse very nearly came down fairly early on and Joe had both legs one side of the horse, with the jockey hanging from the horses' neck. He managed to get back in the saddle but had no irons for about half a circuit. He finally got his feet back in the irons and amazingly went on to win the biggest race of the day to bag a first prize of £39k.
The owners and punters alike owe Joe a big drink.1 - Sponsored links:
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You know your luck isn't in when you get beaten like that!Addick Addict said:
I was on Hititi who finished second but it was an amazing recovery from Anderson.superclive98 said:What a performance by jockey Joe Anderson on Transmission in the 14:15 at Plumpton. The horse very nearly came down fairly early on and Joe had both legs one side of the horse, with the jockey hanging from the horses' neck. He managed to get back in the saddle but had no irons for about half a circuit. He finally got his feet back in the irons and amazingly went on to win the biggest race of the day to bag a first prize of £39k.
The owners and punters alike owe Joe a big drink.1 -
ride of the season ?, decade ? .. never seen that before, not only getting back on board but to win , remarkablesuperclive98 said:What a performance by jockey Joe Anderson on Transmission in the 14:15 at Plumpton. The horse very nearly came down fairly early on and Joe had both legs one side of the horse, with the jockey hanging from the horses' neck. He managed to get back in the saddle but had no irons for about half a circuit. He finally got his feet back in the irons and amazingly went on to win the biggest race of the day to bag a first prize of £39k.
The owners and punters alike owe Joe a big drink.2 -
Never seen a jockey recover from such a precarious position and still win. It was the fact that he also did half a circuit with his feet out of the irons. He kept trying to recover the irons but I think one of them was caught behind his backside!Lincsaddick said:
ride of the season ?, decade ? .. never seen that before, not only getting back on board but to win , remarkablesuperclive98 said:What a performance by jockey Joe Anderson on Transmission in the 14:15 at Plumpton. The horse very nearly came down fairly early on and Joe had both legs one side of the horse, with the jockey hanging from the horses' neck. He managed to get back in the saddle but had no irons for about half a circuit. He finally got his feet back in the irons and amazingly went on to win the biggest race of the day to bag a first prize of £39k.
The owners and punters alike owe Joe a big drink.
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Indeed but small consolation that I had a lay for my stake matched in running. Sometimes you do just have to accept a sports person's brilliance and that was what it was.superclive98 said:
You know your luck isn't in when you get beaten like that!Addick Addict said:
I was on Hititi who finished second but it was an amazing recovery from Anderson.superclive98 said:What a performance by jockey Joe Anderson on Transmission in the 14:15 at Plumpton. horse very nearly came down fairly early on and Joe had both legs one side of the horse, with the jockey hanging from the horses' neck. He managed to get back in the saddle but had no irons for about half a circuit. He finally got his feet back in the irons and amazingly went on to win the biggest race of the day to bag a first prize of £39k.
The owners and punters alike owe Joe a big drink.2 -
I missed this one but, at the ripe old age of 77, Henrietta Knight has returned to the training ranks with her first runners today for almost 10 years - Zettabyte currently running in the 1.30 Wincanton and Ballywalter in the 3.00 at the same track. Good luck Hens!0
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Junkanoo got beat by a nose yesterday at Kempton and should have been awarded the race in the subsequent 15 minute stewards enquiry. I know they hardly ever turnover results now but he got bumped by the winner in the final furlong whose jockey had his whip in the wrong hand all the way to the winning post and drove our horse continually towards the rail. Even the Racing TVcommentators thought we had a good chance of getting the race, The jockey got off , Caolinn Quinn and his first words to me were that we would get it in the stewards room.
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I could not agree with you more. In any other country it would have taken a nanosecond to kick the winner out for intimidation, the bump which was enough to momentarily stop Junkanoo's momentum, the jockey had his stick in the wrong hand and the distance was a nose.alburyaddick said:Junkanoo got beat by a nose yesterday at Kempton and should have been awarded the race in the subsequent 15 minute stewards enquiry. I know they hardly ever turnover results now but he got bumped by the winner in the final furlong whose jockey had his whip in the wrong hand all the way to the winning post and drove our horse continually towards the rail. Even the Racing TVcommentators thought we had a good chance of getting the race, The jockey got off , Caolinn Quinn and his first words to me were that we would get it in the stewards room.
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`Thanks mate - I’ll call you as a witness !!!Addick Addict said:
I could not agree with you more. In any other country it would have taken a nanosecond to kick the winner out for intimidation, the bump which was enough to momentarily stop Junkanoo's momentum, the jockey had his stick in the wrong hand and the distance was a nose.alburyaddick said:Junkanoo got beat by a nose yesterday at Kempton and should have been awarded the race in the subsequent 15 minute stewards enquiry. I know they hardly ever turnover results now but he got bumped by the winner in the final furlong whose jockey had his whip in the wrong hand all the way to the winning post and drove our horse continually towards the rail. Even the Racing TVcommentators thought we had a good chance of getting the race, The jockey got off , Caolinn Quinn and his first words to me were that we would get it in the stewards room.
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This is the actual Stewards Report:
An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race following interference on the run to the line involving the winner GENTLE SLOPES, ridden by James Bowen and JUNKANOO, placed second, ridden by Caoilin Quinn. The Stewards considered the interference had not improved GENTLE SLOPES’s placing as despite the winning distance of a nose after jumping the final fence both runners had edged right-handed independently, before GENTLE SLOPES shifted marginally further right-handed slightly brushing JUNKANOO, who lost no momentum or distance. Thereafter both horses drifted independently to the line. Therefore, the Stewards ordered the placings to remain unaltered. Bowen was cautioned for careless riding as he allowed his mount to shift right-handed without timely correction, giving a light brush to JUNKANOO.
So Bowen was cautioned for, effectively, not just allowing his mount to shift right-handed but also to intimidate the other horse. The "light brush" was more than enough to stop Junkanoo from winning.
This is the point of contact with Bowen still with his whip in his incorrect hand. Note how far the horses are away from the rail:
And this is where they ended up:
Note now how close to the rail at the finish the horses are. Junkanoo's jockey had his whip on his correct hand whereas Bowen's horse actually started to drift right jumping the last when it took the line of the eventual third and he did absolutely nothing to correct the drift. At any point in that final furlong it is easy to argue that the intimidation and bump was sufficient to stop Junkanoo from winning the race.
One final note. Gentle Slope was around about 1.34 to keep the race in the Stewards. But that is based on the Stewards' reluctance to kick anything out unless murder has been committed. The cynic in me might suggest that, with off course bookies paying out on FPTP, kicking out an odds on fav and then having to pay out on another fancied horse, does not endear them to the hand that feeds them!
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