valleynick66 said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

If people were going to upgrade anyway, why are people complaining about it? 🙃

I wonder if the costs of the infrastructure are being covered. And it will not end up as a cost drag as compliance rises even further. 

That’s my query. As I don’t know the revenue received  (not just fines issued) versus cost spent just for outer London. 

I’m assuming the number of fines issued will fall quite quickly as some realise they triggered ULEZ and will change habits accordingly    

It seems to be losing money at the moment.

SporadicAddick said:

colthe3rd said:

O-Randy-Hunt said:

£23,000,000 in its first month its brang in so far. Nice work if you can get it. Its not about the money.

-£100m for the scrappage scheme.

If all of the above numbers are accurate, then about 4 and a half months to cover that cost…(very basic accounting but you’ll get the point). 

IF the volume of fines is consistent & people continue to drive regardless and IF the revenue is actually received.

As I've said before - and Khan confirmed yesterday - the scheme is expected to stop raising money in 2026.

I'll leave this question with you. If Khan is reelected, how do you think he will fill the hole in his coffers in 2026?

I'll give you a clue. Pay per mile road pricing.

Billy_Mix said:

colthe3rd said:

O-Randy-Hunt said:

£23,000,000 in its first month its brang in so far. Nice work if you can get it. Its not about the money.

-£100m for the scrappage scheme.

And the loans grudgingly made to TfL by Boris's No.10 to fill the hole made in TfL's finances by Covid while Boris's No.10 forbade any TfL service reductions at the same time as almost every other trading business across the country that existed as at February 2020 was entitled to claim various grants - that's grants not loans - plus the massive government underwrite of potentially limitless loan finance.

There's still much more noise about how TfL is trying to balance the books i.e. fill that Covid hole for keeping London (and by extension the nation) moving, than there is about the flagrantly corrupt awarding of contracts to cronies and the refusal to pursue let alone prosecute even the most obvious and infamous recipients of your money.
Interesting split in today's press on the reporting of Cummings's and others contributions to the Covid inquiry - lots of focus on the criticism of Boris and his cronies, a few heaping the blame on the civil servants - almost perfect correlation with which of the rags constantly got the knives out for Khan - go figure! 

Indeed, also a reason why there was no media outrage when ULEZ was introduced in inner London.

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

As I've said before - and Khan confirmed yesterday - the scheme is expected to stop raising money in 2026.

I'll leave this question with you. If Khan is reelected, how do you think he will fill the hole in his coffers in 2026?

I'll give you a clue. Pay per mile road pricing.

The technology is nowhere near available at the moment. Device required in every vehicle including vehicles from outside London.

It’s not the fines issued but how much is paid, millions already unpaid from initial Ulez , many to foreign drivers.

Friend Or Defoe said:

If people were going to upgrade anyway, why are people complaining about it? 🙃

Because of the timing. Having to buy a replacement vehicle in an inflated car market. People eventually upgrade anyway, so what was the great rush for? I'm eager to see what the stats will reveal about how much cleaner the air has become and the consequences of it -but clearly that's a waiting game.

Rizzo said:

On the plus side, I flogged my 14 year old, but ULEZ compliant, car for way more than I'd have got for it without ULEZ. Every (pollution) cloud...

Is selling children still a thing? 😁

Seriously. I pay once a week to visit my sick step mom at Dads place just inside the border of ULEZ at Ruxley.

It's an incovenience at best tbh.

Then it dawned on me.  If I ever got back into the live football or rugby again, it could be a major dent in the budget for me.   In no way can I afford to chop in my car for something compliant, I only just paid off the bloody thing.  

I will just have to be one of the millions of compliant worker ants...

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

As I've said before - and Khan confirmed yesterday - the scheme is expected to stop raising money in 2026.

I'll leave this question with you. If Khan is reelected, how do you think he will fill the hole in his coffers in 2026?

I'll give you a clue. Pay per mile road pricing.

Probably have a sensible government who might look to reintroduce the capital grant that this administration removed in 2012 

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Crusty54 said:

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

As I've said before - and Khan confirmed yesterday - the scheme is expected to stop raising money in 2026.

I'll leave this question with you. If Khan is reelected, how do you think he will fill the hole in his coffers in 2026?

I'll give you a clue. Pay per mile road pricing.

The technology is nowhere near available at the moment. Device required in every vehicle including vehicles from outside London.

Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.

Road pricing is already in place in a number of countries. The technology is available and proven to work.

The ULEZ cameras are the final piece in the jigsaw as it enables vehicles to be identified .

ULEZ was always the trojan horse to enable TFL and Khan to introduce road pricing.

Laugh if you like but TfL have got a team that has been working on the introduction of road pricing for some time.

100% true.

there’s a team in the Department for Transport and Treasury looking at road pricing, fucking lunatic Tory MPs can’t get their heads around it 

Lordflashheart said:

soapy_jones said:

Rizzo said:

On the plus side, I flogged my 14 year old, but ULEZ compliant, car for way more than I'd have got for it without ULEZ. Every (pollution) cloud...

Is selling children still a thing? 😁

Seriously. I pay once a week to visit my sick step mom at Dads place just inside the border of ULEZ at Ruxley.

It's an incovenience at best tbh.

Then it dawned on me.  If I ever got back into the live football or rugby again, it could be a major dent in the budget for me.   In no way can I afford to chop in my car for something compliant, I only just paid off the bloody thing.  

I will just have to be one of the millions of compliant worker ants...

It’s worth checking this map

I am still walking my dogs at Hall Place (I have a non-compliant diesel Land Rover), as whilst Hall Place is in ULEZ, I can come off A2 and drive the short distance to the car park without encountering a ULEZ camera 

Might be that you can get to your parents without getting seen by a camera 

https://ulez.co.uk/ulez-camera-locations/ 

You are probably right, for some bizzare reason a gang of tree surgeons came around to Basing Drive and essentially removed three trees' that they 'had to remove' on behalf of TFL.
 
It upset quite a few locals, as they did it at 9.45 in the evening?, as apparently there are currently 'no cameras' on that part of the A2. This is typical of the subcontractors who put one of the air monitors at the top of Upton Road south, a little further down the road, some 9 years ago, who also did this at 11 o'clock at night, between the armco, and end of the road. Made a hell of a racket, and the traffic was no more less than at
20.00. hours.( and I lived quite a few houses down )
So not only did they remove several trees, but could have  put the camera on a mast, road side which would have had a splendid view of traffic coming into London. 

I drive a Fiesta 1 Litre EcoBoost, petrol so not affected, but I wonder when this mayor will raise the tariff?, even though it is zero road tax rated. No wonder people were protesting the last few weeks near the bridge.
 
Seems TFL are desperate to close the loop holes.

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Dansk_Red said:

London Mayor Sadiq Khan today insisted there are no plans to rollout a 'pay-per-mile' scheme for drivers in the capital, branding any claims 'categorically wrong'. 

He had faced a furious backlash after roads minister Richard Holden told MPs Mr Khan had ordered officials to look at introducing the scheme, in what critics branded the latest offensive in the mayor's war on drivers. 

Outraged Londoners accused Mr Khan of 'ruining' the city with yet another 'money-grabbing' scheme, following on from Ultra Low Emission Zone (Ulez), congestion charge, 20mph speed limits and low-traffic neighbourhoods - which have clobbered drivers with more than £500million in penalties.

The Labour mayor had previously hinted London could see a Singapore-style system, where sensors on gantries would spy on motorists, charging drivers more for travelling at peak times. 

Tory MP Mr Holden claimed he had been told by deputy mayor Seb Dance, that in anticipation of plummeting Ulez revenues as more Londoners switch to less polluting vehicles, Mr Khan had asked transport chiefs 'to investigate the technicalities of introducing road charging across London in the future'. 

But City Hall today rubbished the claims, with a spokesman for the mayor telling MailOnline: 'This is categorically wrong. Officials actually told the minister the opposite - there is no prospect of it being introduced in the foreseeable future.'

And you believe a word Khan says on this matter? Please excuse my cynical laughter!

If what he says is true, why hasn't he disbanded the section looking at road pricing? In fact, and did you know, that it was only about 6 months ago that Tfl were advertising jobs for this section?

Khan is not stupid. He knows that his re-election next year is not the walkover he thought it would be only a few months ago. Of course he is going to deny introducing another measure that would be 100 times more unpopular than his ULEZ scheme.

If he is re-elected, then come 2026 await his weasel words. Wasn't my intention to do it but things have changed etc etc. And anyone who believes differently is going to get a huge shock.  

Well I’m shocked. A politician not telling the whole truth. 

I had a blade runner block me on social media as on one of their live videos they were ranting about electric cars and how kids are being exploited to mine cobalt for batteries. She didn't like that I pointed out the irony of her filming on her phone that has a similar battery. I don't like making generalisations but these types do all seem to be lacking in the critical thought department.