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And there we have the main problem. It's not pollution as such, that's just a side effect. It is the vast over-population of the planet. I made the choice not to have kids back in the 1970s because, even then I could see us going to hell in a hand cart/Lamborghini*.JamesSeed said:
That’s such a bleak post. I don’t hold out much hope for my kids and grandkids’ futures if that’s the way most people are thinking. I really hope it isn’t.SporadicAddick said:Taxes on flights should be reduced to encourage more travel and economic growth.
private businesses (airlines) should be free to charge a competitive price. Let the free market drive behaviour.
It's a shame you decided to make things worse by having offspring. I mean why? Was it just to stoke your personal ego? Jeez is there anything more polluting than a baby human with its frequent baths and toxic disposable nappies? “Having a child is 7 times worse for the climate in CO2 emissions annually than the next 10 most discussed mitigants that individuals can do,” analysts at Morgan Stanley said.
A Swedish study, published in IOPscience in 2017, found that having one fewer child per family could save approximately 58.6 metric tons of carbon each year in developed countries. It is a feature of JSO that they are worried about their grandkids and they say that without a hint of irony or even understanding. JUST STOP KIDS would be a much better platform. I am not going to be preached to by orange jacketed (made using oil by the way) idiots who don't understand the issues. Let alone the macro-economics.
*delete as appropriate.
So, maybe we need to be more innovative? Rather than the sledgehammer of extra taxation on travel how about a very large cash bonus to anyone making the decision to get sterilised? Thereby cracking the problem at its very heart. (Together with the problem of the housing shortage - two for the price of one!)2 -
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...0 -
Overall trends are important, but in the shorter term weather can play a part. For example, London is normally around 70th to 80th in the ranking of most polluted cities, with an index of about 24. Today we’re 24th, by far the highest I’ve seen since I’ve had the App, with an index of 74.Dansk_Red said:In Glasgow where a LEZ scheme is in place (ie all non compliant vehicles are banned) pollution has risen by 10%, the SNP are blaming it on the weather.Obviously there are big variants within London, and where I live (near the south circ) the reading on the App is 167, rated ‘unhealthy’).
@Carter might conclude it’s proof that ‘government interference’ doesn’t work. I’d tend think that it’s a blip. But despite the overall data showing a downward trend, I might conclude that it shows more needs to be done, not less. If we were to follow Carter’s path of no government interference, London would be gridlocked, and one of the most polluted cities on earth.
For me ‘free market’ ideology incorporating minimal interference from government is a threat rather than something to aim for. By choosing to govern that way you’d allowing big business, think tanks, and the richest in society to govern everything we do, to effectively replace the role of government, the major difference being that you’d have no democratic say in what they do. They’d control our lives directly through the lack of investment in public services, and the removal of workers’ rights and health & safety legislation. That’s what the free market means in reality. Would I trust the free market to be responsible given that central role in our lives? No, and I think to do so would be quite naive.
Liz Truss is the ultimate free marketeer, and look how the ultimate free marketeer budget was an absolute disaster.
Given a choice between living in her dream world or a society at the other end of the spectrum (like Finland as an example) I’m pretty sure I’d choose the Finland model.Or closer to home, I think the country as a whole was generally a happier place to live (or at least less divided) under the more progressive Blair government, than it has been under the last few Tory PMs. Just my personal opinion though.It’s ironic that ULEZ was actually a Tory idea, but it shows how they’ve changed recently. I doubt very much if they would implement it now if there wasn’t one already.3 -
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And there we have the main problem. It's not pollution as such, that's just a side effect. It is the vast over-population of the planet. I made the choice not to have kids back in the 1970s because, even then I could see us going to hell in a hand cart/Lamborghini*.JamesSeed said:
That’s such a bleak post. I don’t hold out much hope for my kids and grandkids’ futures if that’s the way most people are thinking. I really hope it isn’t.SporadicAddick said:Taxes on flights should be reduced to encourage more travel and economic growth.
private businesses (airlines) should be free to charge a competitive price. Let the free market drive behaviour.
…….It's a shame you decided to make things worse by having offspring. I mean why? Was it just to stoke your personal ego? Jeez is there anything more polluting than a baby human……
So, maybe we need to be more innovative? Rather than the sledgehammer of extra taxation on travel how about a very large cash bonus to anyone making the decision to get sterilised? Thereby cracking the problem at its very heart. (Together with the problem of the housing shortage - two for the price of one!)Nice plan @cafcfan. Can see where you’re coming from here. 😂0 -
So, you want to shrink the population, even though the tax system and our state pensions are reliant on the population growing? And just stop oil don’t understand macroeconomics…cafcfan said:
And there we have the main problem. It's not pollution as such, that's just a side effect. It is the vast over-population of the planet. I made the choice not to have kids back in the 1970s because, even then I could see us going to hell in a hand cart/Lamborghini*.JamesSeed said:
That’s such a bleak post. I don’t hold out much hope for my kids and grandkids’ futures if that’s the way most people are thinking. I really hope it isn’t.SporadicAddick said:Taxes on flights should be reduced to encourage more travel and economic growth.
private businesses (airlines) should be free to charge a competitive price. Let the free market drive behaviour.
It's a shame you decided to make things worse by having offspring. I mean why? Was it just to stoke your personal ego? Jeez is there anything more polluting than a baby human with its frequent baths and toxic disposable nappies? “Having a child is 7 times worse for the climate in CO2 emissions annually than the next 10 most discussed mitigants that individuals can do,” analysts at Morgan Stanley said.A Swedish study, published in IOPscience in 2017, found that having one fewer child per family could save approximately 58.6 metric tons of carbon each year in developed countries. It is a feature of JSO that they are worried about their grandkids and they say that without a hint of irony or even understanding. JUST STOP KIDS would be a much better platform. I am not going to be preached to by orange jacketed (made using oil by the way) idiots who don't understand the issues. Let alone the macro-economics.
*delete as appropriate.
So, maybe we need to be more innovative? Rather than the sledgehammer of extra taxation on travel how about a very large cash bonus to anyone making the decision to get sterilised? Thereby cracking the problem at its very heart. (Together with the problem of the housing shortage - two for the price of one!)
you want to sterilise people over… just buying an electric car? Lol.0 -
I think its quite obvious that both cafcfan's sterilisation post and Jamesseed's views on the iniquities of the free market are tongue in cheek.kentaddick said:
So, you want to shrink the population, even though the tax system and our state pensions are reliant on the population growing? And just stop oil don’t understand macroeconomics…cafcfan said:
And there we have the main problem. It's not pollution as such, that's just a side effect. It is the vast over-population of the planet. I made the choice not to have kids back in the 1970s because, even then I could see us going to hell in a hand cart/Lamborghini*.JamesSeed said:
That’s such a bleak post. I don’t hold out much hope for my kids and grandkids’ futures if that’s the way most people are thinking. I really hope it isn’t.SporadicAddick said:Taxes on flights should be reduced to encourage more travel and economic growth.
private businesses (airlines) should be free to charge a competitive price. Let the free market drive behaviour.
It's a shame you decided to make things worse by having offspring. I mean why? Was it just to stoke your personal ego? Jeez is there anything more polluting than a baby human with its frequent baths and toxic disposable nappies? “Having a child is 7 times worse for the climate in CO2 emissions annually than the next 10 most discussed mitigants that individuals can do,” analysts at Morgan Stanley said.A Swedish study, published in IOPscience in 2017, found that having one fewer child per family could save approximately 58.6 metric tons of carbon each year in developed countries. It is a feature of JSO that they are worried about their grandkids and they say that without a hint of irony or even understanding. JUST STOP KIDS would be a much better platform. I am not going to be preached to by orange jacketed (made using oil by the way) idiots who don't understand the issues. Let alone the macro-economics.
*delete as appropriate.
So, maybe we need to be more innovative? Rather than the sledgehammer of extra taxation on travel how about a very large cash bonus to anyone making the decision to get sterilised? Thereby cracking the problem at its very heart. (Together with the problem of the housing shortage - two for the price of one!)
you want to sterilise people over… just buying an electric car? Lol.0 -
JamesSeed said:
Overall trends are important, but in the shorter term weather can play a part. For example, London is normally around 70th to 80th in the ranking of most polluted cities, with an index of about 24. Today we’re 24th, by far the highest I’ve seen since I’ve had the App, with an index of 74.Dansk_Red said:In Glasgow where a LEZ scheme is in place (ie all non compliant vehicles are banned) pollution has risen by 10%, the SNP are blaming it on the weather.Obviously there are big variants within London, and where I live (near the south circ) the reading on the App is 167, rated ‘unhealthy’).
@Carter might conclude it’s proof that ‘government interference’ doesn’t work. I’d tend think that it’s a blip. But despite the overall data showing a downward trend, I might conclude that it shows more needs to be done, not less. If we were to follow Carter’s path of no government interference, London would be gridlocked, and one of the most polluted cities on earth.
For me ‘free market’ ideology incorporating minimal interference from government is a threat rather than something to aim for. By choosing to govern that way you’d allowing big business, think tanks, and the richest in society to govern everything we do, to effectively replace the role of government, the major difference being that you’d have no democratic say in what they do. They’d control our lives directly through the lack of investment in public services, and the removal of workers’ rights and health & safety legislation. That’s what the free market means in reality. Would I trust the free market to be responsible given that central role in our lives? No, and I think to do so would be quite naive.
Liz Truss is the ultimate free marketeer, and look how the ultimate free marketeer budget was an absolute disaster.
Given a choice between living in her dream world or a society at the other end of the spectrum (like Finland as an example) I’m pretty sure I’d choose the Finland model.Or closer to home, I think the country as a whole was generally a happier place to live (or at least less divided) under the more progressive Blair government, than it has been under the last few Tory PMs. Just my personal opinion though.It’s ironic that ULEZ was actually a Tory idea, but it shows how they’ve changed recently. I doubt very much if they would implement it now if there wasn’t one already.
I've never said "no government involvement" what I dont like is interference and micro-managing peoples lives
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Maybe tongue in cheek, but one logical conclusion there may be to commit suicide to save 58.6 metric tons of CO2 a year, or to live such an ascetic life that you might as well not live.cafcfan said:
And there we have the main problem. It's not pollution as such, that's just a side effect. It is the vast over-population of the planet. I made the choice not to have kids back in the 1970s because, even then I could see us going to hell in a hand cart/Lamborghini*.JamesSeed said:
That’s such a bleak post. I don’t hold out much hope for my kids and grandkids’ futures if that’s the way most people are thinking. I really hope it isn’t.SporadicAddick said:Taxes on flights should be reduced to encourage more travel and economic growth.
private businesses (airlines) should be free to charge a competitive price. Let the free market drive behaviour.
It's a shame you decided to make things worse by having offspring. I mean why? Was it just to stoke your personal ego? Jeez is there anything more polluting than a baby human with its frequent baths and toxic disposable nappies? “Having a child is 7 times worse for the climate in CO2 emissions annually than the next 10 most discussed mitigants that individuals can do,” analysts at Morgan Stanley said.A Swedish study, published in IOPscience in 2017, found that having one fewer child per family could save approximately 58.6 metric tons of carbon each year in developed countries. It is a feature of JSO that they are worried about their grandkids and they say that without a hint of irony or even understanding. JUST STOP KIDS would be a much better platform. I am not going to be preached to by orange jacketed (made using oil by the way) idiots who don't understand the issues. Let alone the macro-economics.
*delete as appropriate.
So, maybe we need to be more innovative? Rather than the sledgehammer of extra taxation on travel how about a very large cash bonus to anyone making the decision to get sterilised? Thereby cracking the problem at its very heart. (Together with the problem of the housing shortage - two for the price of one!)
This is one of the reasons I gave up trying to be completely consistent and/or not a hypocrite.
I now try to change my lifestyle gradually if possible, but I will always support policies that stop environmental damage and degradation.5 -
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...0 -
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I have noticed the amount of yellow box junctions that have appeared around Welling / Bexleyheath, have these been put in by the council or FTL?0
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Councilguinnessaddick said:I have noticed the amount of yellow box junctions that have appeared around Welling / Bexleyheath, have these been put in by the council or FTL?0 -
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!1 -
Huskaris said:
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!If the atmosphere in the bar was half of that of the arena it would have been electric. World's best MMA fans.Back on topic, great to see free primary school meals in London. Well done Mr. Khan.5 -
Well it’s not on topic but yes well done.Friend Or Defoe said:Huskaris said:
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!If the atmosphere in the bar was half of that of the arena it would have been electric. World's best MMA fans.Back on topic, great to see free primary school meals in London. Well done Mr. Khan.2 -
Back on ulez topic. Free school meals available 🤣MrOneLung said:
Well it’s not on topic but yes well done.Friend Or Defoe said:Huskaris said:
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!If the atmosphere in the bar was half of that of the arena it would have been electric. World's best MMA fans.Back on topic, great to see free primary school meals in London. Well done Mr. Khan.2 -
O-Randy-Hunt said:
Back on ulez topic. Free school meals available 🤣MrOneLung said:
Well it’s not on topic but yes well done.Friend Or Defoe said:Huskaris said:
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!If the atmosphere in the bar was half of that of the arena it would have been electric. World's best MMA fans.Back on topic, great to see free primary school meals in London. Well done Mr. Khan.
It's a tax on the working class.
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There's no such thing as a free school lunch.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Back on ulez topic. Free school meals available 🤣MrOneLung said:
Well it’s not on topic but yes well done.Friend Or Defoe said:Huskaris said:
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!If the atmosphere in the bar was half of that of the arena it would have been electric. World's best MMA fans.Back on topic, great to see free primary school meals in London. Well done Mr. Khan.
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Never a truer word said.MrWalker said:
There's no such thing as a free school lunch.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Back on ulez topic. Free school meals available 🤣MrOneLung said:
Well it’s not on topic but yes well done.Friend Or Defoe said:Huskaris said:
I didn't! It was actually purely coincidental. I did take a peek at tickets but they were over €200 each for the ones that we could get.Friend Or Defoe said:
Did you go to the UFC? There are loads of horror stories about CDG airport. It's been fine for me though in fairness.Huskaris said:
So I thought too as I wrote that yesterday, then had to stand in an hour long queue in 28 degree heat and high humidity. Predictably the Parisians didn't think queues applied to them and were pushing in whenever they could too!Friend Or Defoe said:
Eurostar is a rare example of the train being cheaper (and far more reliable) than the plane.Huskaris said:By the by I am just about to get a Eurostar back from Paris to London, and on their website the claim is that the train pollutes 1/14th the amount of an equivalent flight...
I don't know if I would get the Eurostar again after all that actually...
Ended up watching it in a bar with 2 French people and a Texan which was good fun though!If the atmosphere in the bar was half of that of the arena it would have been electric. World's best MMA fans.Back on topic, great to see free primary school meals in London. Well done Mr. Khan.
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Its interesting no figures released yet on number of cars found to be non compliant.
I know its been said the initial 'letters' are warnings rather than fines but not sure why its not published as to how many / where they are registered etc. Pure curiosity to see if 9/10 holds true / has improved etc.1 -
Quite possibly one of the biggest pieces of evidence that shows just how much of a cash grab ULEZ is, is the jutting out of the below shown boundary. Purely done to encapsulate Chessington World of Adventures.
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Yes, but Chessington World of Adventures is in Greater London, the boundary does (weirdly) jut out like that, so they haven’t altered the boundary to encapsulate the theme park - there is a similar weird jutting out of the boundary around Harefield Hospital, and around Biggin HillBig_Bad_World said:Quite possibly one of the biggest pieces of evidence that shows just how much of a cash grab ULEZ is, is the jutting out of the below shown boundary. Purely done to encapsulate Chessington World of Adventures.9 -
If ULEZ is a cash grab, at what point does it cross the boundary of some £160 to £170 million that it is costing to set up and start to make a profit?
I assume ULEZ is a step towards making the air cleaner for everybody.0 -
If ULEZ was solely about cleaner air, then those with non compliant vehicles (myself included) should not be able to pay to enter the zone whatsoever - my vehicle should be banned outright - but I am welcome to (in TFL’s eyes) pollute London’s air if I pay them to do itseth plum said:If ULEZ is a cash grab, at what point does it cross the boundary of some £160 to £170 million that it is costing to set up and start to make a profit?
I assume ULEZ is a step towards making the air cleaner for everybody.
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you really think they're going to ban a certain type of vehicle overnight? The backlash would've been even bigger.Lordflashheart said:
If ULEZ was solely about cleaner air, then those with non compliant vehicles (myself included) should not be able to pay to enter the zone whatsoever - my vehicle should be banned outright - but I am welcome to (in TFL’s eyes) pollute London’s air if I pay them to do itseth plum said:If ULEZ is a cash grab, at what point does it cross the boundary of some £160 to £170 million that it is costing to set up and start to make a profit?
I assume ULEZ is a step towards making the air cleaner for everybody.
It’s utter nonsense
If you think it's a cash grab, then get a compliant vehicle and avoid the cash grab. Simple.11 -
I think it was @cantersaddick who demonstrated that a financial cost can drive change.Lordflashheart said:
If ULEZ was solely about cleaner air, then those with non compliant vehicles (myself included) should not be able to pay to enter the zone whatsoever - my vehicle should be banned outright - but I am welcome to (in TFL’s eyes) pollute London’s air if I pay them to do itseth plum said:If ULEZ is a cash grab, at what point does it cross the boundary of some £160 to £170 million that it is costing to set up and start to make a profit?
I assume ULEZ is a step towards making the air cleaner for everybody.
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I'm amazed at just how many supporters of ULEZ are happy for people to be able to pay to kill peoples children and grandchildren.Lordflashheart said:
If ULEZ was solely about cleaner air, then those with non compliant vehicles (myself included) should not be able to pay to enter the zone whatsoever - my vehicle should be banned outright - but I am welcome to (in TFL’s eyes) pollute London’s air if I pay them to do itseth plum said:If ULEZ is a cash grab, at what point does it cross the boundary of some £160 to £170 million that it is costing to set up and start to make a profit?
I assume ULEZ is a step towards making the air cleaner for everybody.
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Is that not what Glasgow have done though? - I've just checked my Car on their Low Emission Zone website, and I'll pay a penalty if I drive my car in there, I wont have to pay to drive, I'm just not allowed.kentaddick said:
you really think they're going to ban a certain type of vehicle overnight? The backlash would've been even bigger.Lordflashheart said:
If ULEZ was solely about cleaner air, then those with non compliant vehicles (myself included) should not be able to pay to enter the zone whatsoever - my vehicle should be banned outright - but I am welcome to (in TFL’s eyes) pollute London’s air if I pay them to do itseth plum said:If ULEZ is a cash grab, at what point does it cross the boundary of some £160 to £170 million that it is costing to set up and start to make a profit?
I assume ULEZ is a step towards making the air cleaner for everybody.
It’s utter nonsense
If you think it's a cash grab, then get a compliant vehicle and avoid the cash grab. Simple.
I'd also have less issue if the London ULEZ straight up banned my car, because then I'd agree that they're trying to tackle pollution properly, instead of cashing in on it.
Am sure if it isn't a cash grab, we wont see the rules changed in the future either.2 -
Financial cost always drives behaviour change, be it on the price of tobacco, alcohol or in reserve the refusal to tax petrol or diesel6
