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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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Daft to move Payne on because we won't get anyone else in to replace him. If we've got a proper creative midfielder lined up to challenge Fraser for his spot then great but recent history has shown it'll likely be a loan or another youth player getting over-promoted if anyone comes in at all. I'd rather keep Payne for the season, let him come in when he needs to and let him go at the end of his contract than reduce our experience and average age level in the squad to no positive effect. We're getting to a point where we already have tonnes of injuries and we're forcing out yet more senior players with no serious replacements. It never ends
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Has a club EVER moved on every player signed one summer by the end of the following summer?ForeverAddickted said:Surprised to see Payne as a potential departure
So we wont have a single player here that we signed last summer5 -
I think there will be at least a couple of arrivals this week, partly to help divert attention/discussion from the club's manifest problems. As for the outs - we might get them off the wage bill (in full or a percentage) but I'd be gobsmacked if we got a fee for any of them.0
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Imagine if they get promoted with Kirk and MorganLaddick01 said:You just know Kirk is finishing with 20 goals and assists or something like that if he joins Blackpool.
Clearly not working for him here.8 -
Payne does at least add depth to the position, and do think currently at least is a much better option than Anderson. Although we have Fraser and Camara to come back, letting Payne go (if there's no replacement) again just makes an already paper thin squad even thinner0
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If we replace Payne with a better player then that’s a good thing but as you say we can’t assume that’ll be the case.Garrymanilow said:Daft to move Payne on because we won't get anyone else in to replace him. If we've got a proper creative midfielder lined up to challenge Fraser for his spot then great but recent history has shown it'll likely be a loan or another youth player getting over-promoted if anyone comes in at all. I'd rather keep Payne for the season, let him come in when he needs to and let him go at the end of his contract than reduce our experience and average age level in the squad to no positive effect. We're getting to a point where we already have tonnes of injuries and we're forcing out yet more senior players with no serious replacements. It never ends
The problem with Payne for me is while he can be useful off the bench you’d never want to start him. He doesn’t offer enough as Fraser’s replacement to play CM, but neither is he good enough to justify a run of starts as a 10 or out wide. He sums up last summers signings - fitted Garner’s style but overall not the standard we need.3 -
& there you have it, I have said all along this is only about Methven & his mates earning some money at the expense of the club. They don't give a shit about CAFC.BigDiddy said:We have NO money to make our squad better.
The club is LOSING money which is why Gobby Methven has already made it clear that profits from player sales will balance the books.
So, fans should question what these clowns plan for the rest of the window that ends in 5 days.
Fans should then question how much Methven and his SMT are paying themselves as they destroy our club.
They have no money and no plan and these leeches will be gone when the yanks stop paying the bills (I reckon about Xmas)6 -
what club will want to loan out a young player to Charlton in their present state - dream on!0
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How can you expect to sign decent players when you have no manager? If they are decent then they will have other clubs in for them, I don’t think a club with no manager is going to win that battle3
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Did Payne suit Garner's style? In L1?Scoham said:
If we replace Payne with a better player then that’s a good thing but as you say we can’t assume that’ll be the case.Garrymanilow said:Daft to move Payne on because we won't get anyone else in to replace him. If we've got a proper creative midfielder lined up to challenge Fraser for his spot then great but recent history has shown it'll likely be a loan or another youth player getting over-promoted if anyone comes in at all. I'd rather keep Payne for the season, let him come in when he needs to and let him go at the end of his contract than reduce our experience and average age level in the squad to no positive effect. We're getting to a point where we already have tonnes of injuries and we're forcing out yet more senior players with no serious replacements. It never ends
The problem with Payne for me is while he can be useful off the bench you’d never want to start him. He doesn’t offer enough as Fraser’s replacement to play CM, but neither is he good enough to justify a run of starts as a 10 or out wide. He sums up last summers signings - fitted Garner’s style but overall not the standard we need.
It's not as if he was that effective under Garner.
Garnerball worked at Swindon as he had very good players for that division.0 -
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That second line sums up the club on and off the pitch doesn't it. In a year, we don't have the structure and strategy in place to mean that either an entire transfer window of signings or the coaching team put in place (and the coaching team which replaced it) are still worth their place at the club. Oh and we've been taken over since and so have an entirely new executive and non-executive leadership team too. What a club.ForeverAddickted said:Surprised to see Payne as a potential departure
So we wont have a single player here that we signed last summer
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Payne works in a 4231, as the number 10, so he has support from a central striker, 2 wingers and 2 holding midfielders behind him meaning he doesn't have to do much defensive work. We don't play like that and so instead we shoehorn him into a winger role or a midfield 3 and he's ineffective2
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I wouldn't be upset if he left, but DJ was a right back option on Saturday surely under the circumstances.Scoham said:
Interesting that DJ wasn’t mentioned but would be surprised if him going isn’t a possibility.
In terms of Payne. He is probably a player that we could move on whereas with the wages Kirk is on, nobody at the level he could be effective at would be interested. Again, McGrandles did well enough for Cambridge and could be moved on. We are probably stuck with DJ and Kirk unless we subsidise a loan for them.0 -
With our threadbare squad I would have thought Payne a decent squad member, at least he brings a bit of energy to the team & is likely to grab a goal when he comes on as a sub. In fact out of the four he would be the one that we might miss. Still it's one wage less to pay out. Replacement ? Scott pulled out all the stops & we had a really exciting player lined up that many championship clubs were after but just couldn't get it over the line.ForeverAddickted said:Surprised to see Payne as a potential departure
So we wont have a single player here that we signed last summer3 -
I'm thinking of going Blackpool for the week on holiday, I've got a spare seat in the back of my car if you want me to drop himkillerandflash said:MarcusH26 said:
If that's true, Critchley can see something nobody else can
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Lots of talk about getting rid...we need IN's please as well, unless it means our U21s becoming the first team....🤷♂️0
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Most of them already areeastterrace6168 said:Lots of talk about getting rid...we need IN's please as well, unless it means our U21s becoming the first team....🤷♂️2 -
You will not hear from CM unless we start winning. One of his mouthpieces will repeat something he tells them about how good the position of the club is.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
5 days to go until this groups mouthpiece Methven has some explaining to do.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Could add staff like Andy Scott to that too. He looks to have been mugged off twice.moutuakilla said:Would love to know how the club was sold to Camara and Taylor. Both seemingly had links from clubs higher up the pyramid and chose us. Surely, "We'll be getting some young premier league players in on loan in the last few days of the window" can't have been it
When he joined in Jan he said ‘he wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t funds to spend’ before proceeding to spend zero transfer fees and deliver one of our worst transfer windows for years (Todd Kane, Kilkenny, Bonne etc).
This time round he claims he gave up a good job to come back…but why? It’s very hard to see what he’s come back for when we once again look to be scrapping around in the last min loan / free transfer bucket with very little sign that there really are funds to bring in the quality we need.
Something definitely doesn’t feel right & CM looks to have mislead a lot of people (staff, investors and fans that bought season tickets thinking our billionaire owners would go for it).
One week left to show us differently I guess 🤞
Interestingly, we've still yet to hear a single word from any of the main players and I wonder if we ever will.5 -
Old Etonian twatt - he is not going to explain anything.ross1 said:
You will not hear from CM unless we start winning. One of his mouthpieces will repeat something he tells them about how good the position of the club is.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
5 days to go until this groups mouthpiece Methven has some explaining to do.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Could add staff like Andy Scott to that too. He looks to have been mugged off twice.moutuakilla said:Would love to know how the club was sold to Camara and Taylor. Both seemingly had links from clubs higher up the pyramid and chose us. Surely, "We'll be getting some young premier league players in on loan in the last few days of the window" can't have been it
When he joined in Jan he said ‘he wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t funds to spend’ before proceeding to spend zero transfer fees and deliver one of our worst transfer windows for years (Todd Kane, Kilkenny, Bonne etc).
This time round he claims he gave up a good job to come back…but why? It’s very hard to see what he’s come back for when we once again look to be scrapping around in the last min loan / free transfer bucket with very little sign that there really are funds to bring in the quality we need.
Something definitely doesn’t feel right & CM looks to have mislead a lot of people (staff, investors and fans that bought season tickets thinking our billionaire owners would go for it).
One week left to show us differently I guess 🤞
Interestingly, we've still yet to hear a single word from any of the main players and I wonder if we ever will.
The SMT will have a strategic plan [that no one has seen] and they will deliver that plan. That’s the line they will put out.
They forget that few and dwindling fans will widen the losses as Roly & TS found out.
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What has going to Eton got to do with football? idiot11
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Cawley has more or less confirmed there will be permanent and loans still to come in. Let’s see who before we jump to too many conclusions. Feel sorry for Holden because he was a good man. Sadly the results and a few other things pointed to him not being the right man for us.15
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I would say 2 loans and Dabo on a free.. And potentially paying a fee if the right deal can be made!ShootersHillGuru said:Cawley has more or less confirmed there will be permanent and loans still to come in. Let’s see who before we jump to too many conclusions. Feel sorry for Holden because he was a good man. Sadly the results and a few other things pointed to him not being the right man for us.
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Jack Payne is an enigma for me. He runs around a lot but is weak on the ball and either overplays or gets outmuscled the majority of the time. Flatters to deceive, jog him on along with Kirk and DJ.5
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On paper yes as he played a key part in Garner’s Swindon getting to the playoffs and nearly making automatic promotion.killerandflash said:
Did Payne suit Garner's style? In L1?Scoham said:
If we replace Payne with a better player then that’s a good thing but as you say we can’t assume that’ll be the case.Garrymanilow said:Daft to move Payne on because we won't get anyone else in to replace him. If we've got a proper creative midfielder lined up to challenge Fraser for his spot then great but recent history has shown it'll likely be a loan or another youth player getting over-promoted if anyone comes in at all. I'd rather keep Payne for the season, let him come in when he needs to and let him go at the end of his contract than reduce our experience and average age level in the squad to no positive effect. We're getting to a point where we already have tonnes of injuries and we're forcing out yet more senior players with no serious replacements. It never ends
The problem with Payne for me is while he can be useful off the bench you’d never want to start him. He doesn’t offer enough as Fraser’s replacement to play CM, but neither is he good enough to justify a run of starts as a 10 or out wide. He sums up last summers signings - fitted Garner’s style but overall not the standard we need.
It's not as if he was that effective under Garner.
Garnerball worked at Swindon as he had very good players for that division.He wasn’t effective for Garner in reality as he’s not good enough for where we’re aiming to be.1 -
Does he? Or would he lack the quality needed and end up being dropped?sam3110 said:Payne works in a 4231, as the number 10, so he has support from a central striker, 2 wingers and 2 holding midfielders behind him meaning he doesn't have to do much defensive work. We don't play like that and so instead we shoehorn him into a winger role or a midfield 3 and he's ineffective
If he moves on it won’t be to a club who finishes in the top 6 with Payne playing regularly as a 10.3 -
Which sadly it won't be, to the devastation of all involved no doubtDubaiCAFC said:
I would say 2 loans and Dabo on a free.. And potentially paying a fee if the right deal can be made!ShootersHillGuru said:Cawley has more or less confirmed there will be permanent and loans still to come in. Let’s see who before we jump to too many conclusions. Feel sorry for Holden because he was a good man. Sadly the results and a few other things pointed to him not being the right man for us.
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Why .. think it shows strong leadership and won’t accept failure especially as mentioned elsewhere his lack of knowing his best system and the effect this has in recruitment meetings and spending the money that’s there for transfers …. Some managers you call on to steady the ship but are not promotion managers some are managers who can get promotion .. sorry to say DH is not a promotion manager .. nice bloke but the call had to be made now and that’s good ownership ..cabbles said:
Does conflict with what the likes of Dubai mentioned about better times being round the corner under this mob. Very difficult to call it this early, but that’s a concerning indicatorCroydon said:
Just gets worsePlaaayer said:
100% mate reliable mate, the money for May did not come from pocket of the new owners.Henry Irving said:
Not doubting you but how reliable is your source on that @Plaaayer ?Plaaayer said:The only reason we stumped what was asked for May is because some money came in from a sponsor partner on the day that he was just about to sign for Bristol Rovers. The owners have put in the bare minimum they have to so anyone thinking we’re signing a top striker on a perm is off their heads.We’ll be relying on loans and free from hereon in I would expect unless something major changes.
so who next Moore , Wilder and the Cowley Brothers all mentioned , the usual lazy journalists will always go for Bowyer Powell etc Etc .. whoever it is it’s a great job a club with great potential, great fan base and new owners with money to spend …. Will we have a new manager by Saturday yes but expect him to be watching with Jason Pearce in charge6 -
Imo, I don’t see that as being nearly enoughDubaiCAFC said:
I would say 2 loans and Dabo on a free.. And potentially paying a fee if the right deal can be made!ShootersHillGuru said:Cawley has more or less confirmed there will be permanent and loans still to come in. Let’s see who before we jump to too many conclusions. Feel sorry for Holden because he was a good man. Sadly the results and a few other things pointed to him not being the right man for us.4 -
Without a manger and with only a few days to go, we are not going to realistically see more than 3 or 4 signings max (probably 2).Danny Addick said:
Imo, I don’t see that as being nearly enoughDubaiCAFC said:
I would say 2 loans and Dabo on a free.. And potentially paying a fee if the right deal can be made!ShootersHillGuru said:Cawley has more or less confirmed there will be permanent and loans still to come in. Let’s see who before we jump to too many conclusions. Feel sorry for Holden because he was a good man. Sadly the results and a few other things pointed to him not being the right man for us.0 -
I think we’ll get max 4 but probably 3. Depending on who they are I’d say with injuries easing it should be enough to make us competitive enough for top half at worst.Danny Addick said:
Imo, I don’t see that as being nearly enoughDubaiCAFC said:
I would say 2 loans and Dabo on a free.. And potentially paying a fee if the right deal can be made!ShootersHillGuru said:Cawley has more or less confirmed there will be permanent and loans still to come in. Let’s see who before we jump to too many conclusions. Feel sorry for Holden because he was a good man. Sadly the results and a few other things pointed to him not being the right man for us.0
