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Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.2 -
And Narine decided to run off to the States to play in their franchise rather than represent the Surrey in Blast Finals Day.MarcusH26 said:Bar Narine playing T20s at Surrey and Kemar Roach do any of the counties have West Indian overseas this season? I know Sussex were supposed to have Jayden Seales for the start of the CC but he had to have knee surgery instead.1 -
But 12 months ago, we beat India.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
It's a terrific illustration of how quickly 'Bazball' was successful.1 -
Not sure where this goes but anyone going to be following the Blast finals day? Can't see beyond a Hants Surrey final... I'd love Essex to win but Hants have kicked our arse twice this season (tbf so did Somerset). Mind you, get Vince out early we might have a game on our hands1
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A lot of rain forecast on & offMcBobbin said:Not sure where this goes but anyone going to be following the Blast finals day? Can't see beyond a Hants Surrey final... I'd love Essex to win but Hants have kicked our arse twice this season (tbf so did Somerset). Mind you, get Vince out early we might have a game on our hands
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With the WI franchise cricket has been the straw that broke the camels back as opposed to the root cause. When I went out for the 2007 world cup there was already a feeling that they wouldn't produce players like they had in the past.Addick Addict said:
Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.
Athletics, specifically track, baseball and basketball was already taking players out of the system, i use the word system loosely. You can make decent money as a decent baseball or basketball player, if your really good you would make more money than any cricketer ever could.
Plus the scholarships offered by American Universities, never mind the green card, were seen as a great way out of poverty.0 -
Hope it starts now, Essex getting whoopedCovered End said:
A lot of rain forecast on & offMcBobbin said:Not sure where this goes but anyone going to be following the Blast finals day? Can't see beyond a Hants Surrey final... I'd love Essex to win but Hants have kicked our arse twice this season (tbf so did Somerset). Mind you, get Vince out early we might have a game on our hands0 -
All 4 finalists from the South Section. Shows where the power base is located.0
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Bairstow has scored 141, so he's effectively -50 for the series.
It's an issue, and a shame they've ignored it for the next Test.5 -
I can see the riches of franchise cricket attracting youngsters back to cricket, but it won't be to playing for the West Indies.Cafc43v3r said:
With the WI franchise cricket has been the straw that broke the camels back as opposed to the root cause. When I went out for the 2007 world cup there was already a feeling that they wouldn't produce players like they had in the past.Addick Addict said:
Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.
Athletics, specifically track, baseball and basketball was already taking players out of the system, i use the word system loosely. You can make decent money as a decent baseball or basketball player, if your really good you would make more money than any cricketer ever could.
Plus the scholarships offered by American Universities, never mind the green card, were seen as a great way out of poverty.
And to be fair, the whole concept of the West Indies team is a bit of a curio anyway. Can anyone feel the same, playing for a collection of 30? countries, as opposed to someone playing just for their own one?1 -
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If the pitch is Anderson friendly, who wouldn't back him to exploit that? Where the question mark may be is if it isn't.2
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It's a good question.killerandflash said:
I can see the riches of franchise cricket attracting youngsters back to cricket, but it won't be to playing for the West Indies.Cafc43v3r said:
With the WI franchise cricket has been the straw that broke the camels back as opposed to the root cause. When I went out for the 2007 world cup there was already a feeling that they wouldn't produce players like they had in the past.Addick Addict said:
Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.
Athletics, specifically track, baseball and basketball was already taking players out of the system, i use the word system loosely. You can make decent money as a decent baseball or basketball player, if your really good you would make more money than any cricketer ever could.
Plus the scholarships offered by American Universities, never mind the green card, were seen as a great way out of poverty.
And to be fair, the whole concept of the West Indies team is a bit of a curio anyway. Can anyone feel the same, playing for a collection of 30? countries, as opposed to someone playing just for their own one?
Meanwhile, are you looking forward to the Ryder Cup?
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Ridiculous comparison.Chizz said:
It's a good question.killerandflash said:
I can see the riches of franchise cricket attracting youngsters back to cricket, but it won't be to playing for the West Indies.Cafc43v3r said:
With the WI franchise cricket has been the straw that broke the camels back as opposed to the root cause. When I went out for the 2007 world cup there was already a feeling that they wouldn't produce players like they had in the past.Addick Addict said:
Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.
Athletics, specifically track, baseball and basketball was already taking players out of the system, i use the word system loosely. You can make decent money as a decent baseball or basketball player, if your really good you would make more money than any cricketer ever could.
Plus the scholarships offered by American Universities, never mind the green card, were seen as a great way out of poverty.
And to be fair, the whole concept of the West Indies team is a bit of a curio anyway. Can anyone feel the same, playing for a collection of 30? countries, as opposed to someone playing just for their own one?
Meanwhile, are you looking forward to the Ryder Cup?
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The Ryder Cup as you well know is Europe v the USA.
Now if you we're to mix up all the players from both sides it would lose all appeal.1 -
come on Essex !! and then sort out Surrey in the final0
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Would be surprised if we get all of finals day today with the forecast.0
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I got a one day NOW tv pass mostly to watch the NZ v SA rugby, the Blast finals are a bonus .. I hope the final is not delayed til tomorrow !MarcusH26 said:Would be surprised if we get all of finals day today with the forecast.0 -
The Ryder Cup works because it's an every 2 years team event in what is otherwise an individual sport.Chizz said:
It's a good question.killerandflash said:
I can see the riches of franchise cricket attracting youngsters back to cricket, but it won't be to playing for the West Indies.Cafc43v3r said:
With the WI franchise cricket has been the straw that broke the camels back as opposed to the root cause. When I went out for the 2007 world cup there was already a feeling that they wouldn't produce players like they had in the past.Addick Addict said:
Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.
Athletics, specifically track, baseball and basketball was already taking players out of the system, i use the word system loosely. You can make decent money as a decent baseball or basketball player, if your really good you would make more money than any cricketer ever could.
Plus the scholarships offered by American Universities, never mind the green card, were seen as a great way out of poverty.
And to be fair, the whole concept of the West Indies team is a bit of a curio anyway. Can anyone feel the same, playing for a collection of 30? countries, as opposed to someone playing just for their own one?
Meanwhile, are you looking forward to the Ryder Cup?
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I still can't get used to the Windies bring also rans in World Cricket - apparently it started going downhill when basketball got on the TV there and youngsters saw that as a better bet. Add to that the rise of franchise cricket and you wonder if they'll eventually give up on tests altogether. Very sad.
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Yours is the ridiculous comparison. That would be like the WI and England swapping players. His point is that Europe in the Ryder Cup is a team drawn from potentially 50 countries, if they all produced good golfers, just like the WI in cricket is a team drawn from potentially 30, although less in actuality.blackpool72 said:
Ridiculous comparison.Chizz said:
It's a good question.killerandflash said:
I can see the riches of franchise cricket attracting youngsters back to cricket, but it won't be to playing for the West Indies.Cafc43v3r said:
With the WI franchise cricket has been the straw that broke the camels back as opposed to the root cause. When I went out for the 2007 world cup there was already a feeling that they wouldn't produce players like they had in the past.Addick Addict said:
Indeed. Only four of their current side were playing in that Test. Their white ball side failed to qualify for the World Cup.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup and they beat us 15 months ago...Addick Addict said:West Indies all out for 130 in their second innings meaning that they made 280-20 in the match with their 11 batsman scoring a total of 266 in their two innings. Jaiswal and Sharma scored more than that between them in their one and only innings. Absolutely awful. Many associate countries would put up a better fight.
The Windies were once powerhouses of international cricket, feared by all. Not one of their team that played against India would get near any of their great sides of the '70s-'90s and only Holder would have any chance of getting into the current Test sides of England, Australia or India. Their infrastructure has diminished and when once the desire was to play for the Windies (and there was fierce rivalry between the Islands to do so), they now cannot compete with the franchise money on offer and one suspects that even the few promising youngsters that are coming through will chase that money. We are starting to see that ourselves but, hopefully, we can continue to make it an attractive enough honour to play for the country. It is so sad to see.
Athletics, specifically track, baseball and basketball was already taking players out of the system, i use the word system loosely. You can make decent money as a decent baseball or basketball player, if your really good you would make more money than any cricketer ever could.
Plus the scholarships offered by American Universities, never mind the green card, were seen as a great way out of poverty.
And to be fair, the whole concept of the West Indies team is a bit of a curio anyway. Can anyone feel the same, playing for a collection of 30? countries, as opposed to someone playing just for their own one?
Meanwhile, are you looking forward to the Ryder Cup?
😉
The Ryder Cup as you well know is Europe v the USA.
Now if you were to mix up all the players from both sides it would lose all appeal.1 -
Essex do it to 'the champs' .. the D/L 'method' usually seems to suit the chaser .. now Smee is bashing the Surrey attack all over Birmingham0
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Just as well I don't gamble...McBobbin said:Not sure where this goes but anyone going to be following the Blast finals day? Can't see beyond a Hants Surrey final... I'd love Essex to win but Hants have kicked our arse twice this season (tbf so did Somerset). Mind you, get Vince out early we might have a game on our hands6 -
Bell has got 2 wickets already. 27-2 after 6 overs.Both openers gone. Litchfield and Healy.1
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They have to improve their fielding0
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26 from last over. Eek.0
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And their death bowling too. Wareham hits Bell for 26 in the final over of the innings though she was dropped off the final ball. From 256 to 282-7 in one over.MuttleyCAFC said:They have to improve their fielding0 -
They need a good start now. Those moments put extra pressure on.0
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That last over will have cost them the match and the series.0
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Not watched too much women's international cricket until the Ashes but Dunkley looks poor0
