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  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    Addick Addict said:
    Scotland have just become the first team to beat three full member sides in the tournament namely Ireland, West Indies and Zimbabwe. They have to avoid defeat against the Netherlands on Thursday if they can but I believe a narrow loss might still be enough by virtue of their superior run rate. Sri Lanka have already qualified. 
    Been such a good tournament to watch! Another cracker today
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,749
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Addick Addict said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    The main reason a keeper stands up is to put pressure on where the batsmen is standing in his crease and to affect how the batsman wants to play a shot , does he want a long stride to counteract the spin / swing .
    That batsmen knows the keeper is there for that exact reason and will try not to overbalance / step our of crease etc 

    Bairstows is completely different to the above scenario , it was a snide move, yes it worked .


    And I would argue that Foakes' stumping of Balbirnie was a snide movement for the reasons I've said and that worked too.  
    I see it as Balbirnie taking a huge stride down the track to negate the spin and as he goes to regain his balance with his bat he topples and lifts his foot .
    the advantage the batsmen seemed to gain by the long stride worked against him because he lost control of being in the crease as he tried to get himself back up 
    same position there with keeper holding ball over stumps I’d have expected him to be more careful .


    I think that the actual footage, as per the link above, needs to be seen in real time from the perspective of the two movements and the fact that he sees that the ball is in Foakes' hands. As I've also said, Porterfield has argued the same as we have with regards to the fairness of the appeal. 
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,233
    edited July 2023
    I'm not sure why this is still raging. People who felt it was wrong will boo at Headingly and hope that inspires England rather than the Aussies. Those that don't won't, but there's a lot to be said for booing. Just ask @oohaahmortimer.
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,332
    edited July 2023
    Some interesting Ashes stats on the BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66097255. I liked the penalties for dropped catches bit.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,141
    dropping catches is abysmal (unless your eyesight goes, thats my excuse ) at Test level 
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,345
    My best mate was an Aussie, died of cancer far too early, bless him.  But I would have no compunction in squaring up to the cobber, and screaming to his face, "BAD SHOW, BAD SHOW YOU ABSOLUTE SHOWER!". And i turned him into an Addick as well, so I should feel guilty myself!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,749
    If the difference between winning and losing is close as it has been in the first two Tests, then us giving Australia 60 more extras has made all the difference and perhaps we should just consider always having that front foot behind the line. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    If I had a pound for every journo, pundit, and cricket fan who has called Bairstow dozy since 'Walkies', I would be a millionaire.

    It should be Aussies who go walk about.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,875
    Moeen, woakes and wood for pope, tongue and Anderson.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    No Lawrence the right call. Woakes to bat 3? Kidding!
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    (or am I)
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited July 2023
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Moeen, woakes and wood for pope, tongue and Anderson.
    No way Robinson plays ahead of Tongue.

    Edit: Sorry just seen that that's the actual team 🙃
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,906
    Tongue ahead of Gobbo any day of the week.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,906
    cantersaddick said:
    Tongue ahead of Gobbo any day of the week.
    Not a sentence I thought I'd be saying a week ago.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,906
    Leuth said:
    (or am I)
    We could do (and have done) a lot worse
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,938
    Surprised Robinson doesn't need rest more than Tongue but who knows.
  • kinveachyaddick
    kinveachyaddick Posts: 3,874
    edited July 2023
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Moeen, woakes and wood for pope, tongue and Anderson.
    That waster Robinson bowling his gentle 78mph dollies rather than Tongue????
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    Robinson has the best average of every bowler in the series FYI
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,875
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Moeen, woakes and wood for pope, tongue and Anderson.
    That waster Robinson bowling his gentle 78mph dollies rather than Tongue????
    Don't shoot the messenger 
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596
     Bit harsh on Tongue. I would have dropped Robinson on the back of his waving the white flag with the bat in the second innings. 
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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,826
    Hold on, have they announced the team ? Nothing on BBC Sport 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,938
    Pelling1993 said:
    Robinson has the best average of every bowler in the series FYI
    Did see earlier he has the second most wickets in the series, one behind Broad, and the second best economy behind Root.

    But I dunno, still feels like he's way down from his best.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited July 2023
    MrOneLung said:
    Hold on, have they announced the team ? Nothing on BBC Sport 


    All the papers are reporting the same team.

    Ben Duckett
    Zak Crawley 
    Harry Brook
    Joe Root
    Ben Stokes(C)
    Johnny Baristow(WK)
    Moeen Ali 
    Chris Woakes
    Ollie Robinson 
    Stuart Broad 
    Mark Wood
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,447
    Really not fussed about Pope.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    MrOneLung said:
    Hold on, have they announced the team ? Nothing on BBC Sport 
    Snippets from the Telegraph which is behind a pay wall 🤷‍♂️
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    North Lower Neil said:
    Pelling1993 said:
    Robinson has the best average of every bowler in the series FYI
    Did see earlier he has the second most wickets in the series, one behind Broad, and the second best economy behind Root.

    But I dunno, still feels like he's way down from his best.
    Definitely agree that he's been below his best, but he is still a threat. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,742
    My team would’ve been

    Crawley
    Duckett
    Bairstow
    Root
    Brook
    Stokes
    Foakes
    Dawson
    Robinson/Woakes
    Broad
    Wood
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Cafc43v3r said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Hold on, have they announced the team ? Nothing on BBC Sport 


    All the papers are reporting the same team.

    Ben Duckett
    Zak Crawley 
    Harry Brook
    Joe Root
    Ben Stokes(C)
    Johnny Baristow(WK)
    Moeen Ali 
    Chris Woakes
    Ollie Robinson 
    Stuart Broad 
    Mark Wood
    harsh on tongue, but i guess they only see a place for one fast bowler/enforcer. Would've had tongue in place of robinson, but i guess woakes can have his off days and you can't expect wood, tongue or broad to bowl long spells.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,825
    kentaddick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Hold on, have they announced the team ? Nothing on BBC Sport 


    All the papers are reporting the same team.

    Ben Duckett
    Zak Crawley 
    Harry Brook
    Joe Root
    Ben Stokes(C)
    Johnny Baristow(WK)
    Moeen Ali 
    Chris Woakes
    Ollie Robinson 
    Stuart Broad 
    Mark Wood
    harsh on tongue, but i guess they only see a place for one fast bowler/enforcer. Would've had tongue in place of robinson, but i guess woakes can have his off days and you can't expect wood, tongue or broad to bowl long spells.
    When you've got 4 seamers and a spinner, PLUS Stokes and Root, I'm not sure any of the seamers would have to bowl long spells. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    IF Robinson plays instead of Tongue that would be a mistake .. Robinson is OK and has a decent test record, BUT Tongue has the capacity to get the Aussies hopping about, ducking and diving, PROVIDED of course that the Yorkie groundstaff prepare a fast and bouncy pitch .. OK the Aussies have a paceman or two but we need to be right on the attack for a win to keep the series anywhere near alive

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