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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Addick Addict said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    How had Australia taken 5 wickets without trying to take wickets? 
    Because the Aussies believe that we will still go for our shots rather than doing nothing other than milking singles. And that is exactly what we've done.  
    I don't really think you can blame 2 or 3 of the wickets on playing too many shots.  
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,947
    kentaddick said:
    shambles if we get anything less than 350 on such a good wicket.
    I think we need 450 at least to put ourselves in a reasonable position.
    Ok we may bowl brilliantly/they bat badly, but I'd expect them to get around 450 on this wicket.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,976
    golfaddick said:
    we'll be lucky to get 250 here.

    Aussies will then bat properly on a good wicket & get 400+

    Could be all over before Monday.
    Cheers golfie. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Addick Addict said:
    So tell me again. Why did Stokes, who has faced 14 white ball deliveries in the last four months, not take the opportunity to get the feel of bat on willow against Ireland?  Root was in more or less the same position but at least 56 off 59 balls gave him some semblance of doing so. 
    Brook could have benefited from time in the middle too, having struggled in the latter part of the IPL.

    Meanwhile we have Foakes scoring a ton this week for Surrey, having scored 408 at 51 this season.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,925
    Need Root to go big here, you shouldn't be getting in and out on this pitch.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Covered End said:
    kentaddick said:
    shambles if we get anything less than 350 on such a good wicket.
    I think we need 450 at least to put ourselves in a reasonable position.
    Ok we may bowl brilliantly/they bat badly, but I'd expect them to get around 450 on this wicket.
    yep which is why we need 350 bare minimum
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,947
    MarcusH26 said:
    Really looks like Stokes isn't fully fit at all and is basically playing because he's skipper. 
    This is because Stokes isn't fully fit at all and is basically playing because he's skipper (which I think ridiculous), which is one of the reasons I predicted 1-4.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    edited June 2023
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    How had Australia taken 5 wickets without trying to take wickets? 
    Because the Aussies believe that we will still go for our shots rather than doing nothing other than milking singles. And that is exactly what we've done.  
    I don't really think you can blame 2 or 3 of the wickets on playing too many shots.  

    That is true. But both Crawley and Brook should have been out doing so - Crawley when he came down the track and tried to whip a ball from outside the off stump through leg and the Aussies didn't appeal and Brook, when he should have been caught by Head, trying to throw the kitchen sink at the ball. 

    Root, by contrast, scored his 50 off 74 balls and that included just 4 boundaries. He has hardly played a shot in anger. That is more than 4 runs an over. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,947
    Apparently & surprising to me the live win probability is -
    England 42%
    Aus 36%
    Draw 22%.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited June 2023
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    That's from playing 1 too many shots.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,016
    Covered End said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Really looks like Stokes isn't fully fit at all and is basically playing because he's skipper. 
    This is because Stokes isn't fully fit at all and is basically playing because he's skipper (which I think ridiculous), which is one of the reasons I predicted 1-4.

    I'd rather have played Woakes at Edgbaston given its his home patch. Probably give you as much with the bat as an out of sorts Stokes 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Cafc43v3r said:
    That's from playing 1 too many shots.
    What was? Didn't quite hear you
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Look at you all, throwing Bazball in the bin because England lost five wickets. How about trusting the process a bit?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Atherton: "The crowd just finding their voice again"
    Crowd to Lyon: "You're just a shit Moeen Ali, just a shit Moeen Ali, you're just a shit Moeen Ali....."
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    The irony being that Moeen is Lyon's absolute bunny. I don't think there's another bowler in world cricket he's struggled against more
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,233
    Root 66
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    swordfish said:
    Root 66
    how is it only today i've realised that's why that's his number.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Leuth said:
    Look at you all, throwing Bazball in the bin because England lost five wickets. How about trusting the process a bit?
    I'm not throwing Bazball in the bin. But there are ways of playing Bazball which is about scoring quickly not recklessly. Stokes was reckless. He usually needs time to get in. He'd faced 7 balls without scoring a run and then decided to throw his hands at the ball.

    Root playing the reverse sweep is slightly different in that it isn't as risky a shot on a wicket of even bounce for a player who plays it as he would a forward defensive. He hits the ball on the deck and finds the gaps. He milks the singles and is now 66 off 97. That's 66-0 at a S/R of 4.08. The rest of the team are 170-5 at a S/R of 4.74. Which is better? 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,947
    edited June 2023
    This is my stance, score quickly (if you can), but not recklessly.
    I've never been a fan of reckless Bazball.
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  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    if you don't like bazball at his ben stokes, you don't deserve bazball at his jonny bairstow 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Neither the BBC nor Sky at the time thought Zak had feathered that nick which everyone on the pitch missed either, which makes you wonder if he really touched it!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    kentaddick said:
    if you don't like bazball at his ben stokes, you don't deserve bazball at his jonny bairstow 
    I'm not quite following that because Bairstow is actually batting as if he is building a base to then launch it - he has 33 off 45 (S/R of 73.33) but is earning himself the right to be punish the bowling as when the opportunity to do so arises. Stokes didn't do that. 

    We also should clear something up about Bazball. Both Stokes and McCullum have said that they aren't looking for players who just hit the ball. They are looking for players who can hit the ball when the circumstances are right to do so. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Leuth said:
    Root really, really wants to reverse-scoop Boland here. I just know it
    YES BOIIIII
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    Did the trumpeter play Amazing grace ?

  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,678
    Had a conversation with someone in the pub who believes we are doing alright. 

    Being my usual critical self (proper Charlton) we need this partnership to last this whole session. Otherwise it's been naff. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    The only thing that looks rusty about YJB is the colour of his hair! 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    MrOneLung said:
    Did the trumpeter play Amazing grace ?

    I tried to hear for it but KP was drowning the singing out. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,947
    Covered End said:
    Apparently & surprising to me the live win probability is -
    England 42%
    Aus 36%
    Draw 22%.
    Eng 49%
    Aus 24%
    Draw 27%
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    century partnership, just what we needed. Hopefully put on at least another ton! 

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