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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    tongue just bowled 6 consecutive short balls to numbers 8&9. What’s the point of that ? 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    MrOneLung said:
    tongue just bowled 6 consecutive short balls to numbers 8&9. What’s the point of that ? 
    Probably so they learn if he can do it or not?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Rather underwhelming England performance in Ireland's second innings. The bowling isn't very threatening, and sloppy fielding with a number of overthrows.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    England 16 for the first 2 Ashes Tests

    England squad: Ben Stokes (Durham captain), James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Dan Lawrence (Essex), Jack Leach (Somerset), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Ollie Robinson (Sussex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Josh Tongue (Worcestershire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    Still really disappointed they dropped Foakes.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,734
    I see that the MCC have released a couple of design pics showing what the new Tavern and Allen stands will look like at Lord’s.




  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    8 and 9 both have 50s, and have put on 137 now
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    England will have to bat again. This had a duck for Zak written all over it
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,599
    Are England trying to throw this or has Ivan Toney put a bet on England batting again. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,903
    Not buying the Stokes fitness propaganda they were putting out before this match. He's clearly struggling. It's gonna affect his batting as well as his bowling. I know there is an aura about the man and what he is capable of but I'm really starting to question whether he should be in the side if he is struggling this much. 

    Sam Curran to come in and balance the side? He's never actually played for England as the 4th seamer which is his ideal role. If Stokes is good to bat he could open? 

    I just don't think we can go up against the Aussies with three quicks plus Leach. 
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cantersaddick said:
    Not buying the Stokes fitness propaganda they were putting out before this match. He's clearly struggling. It's gonna affect his batting as well as his bowling. I know there is an aura about the man and what he is capable of but I'm really starting to question whether he should be in the side if he is struggling this much. 

    Sam Curran to come in and balance the side? He's never actually played for England as the 4th seamer which is his ideal role. If Stokes is good to bat he could open? 

    I just don't think we can go up against the Aussies with three quicks plus Leach. 
    I think Leach might have bowled himself out the team.  If Stokes can't bowl he almost does have to open. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,735
    Zak the hero !!!!
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Zak the hero !!!!
    Fantastic unbeaten knock to win the game that.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,734
    North Lower Neil said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Zak the hero !!!!
    Fantastic unbeaten knock to win the game that.
    Just guaranteed his spot for the rest of the summer
  • Costablancaaddick
    Costablancaaddick Posts: 39
    cantersaddick said:
    Not buying the Stokes fitness propaganda they were putting out before this match. He's clearly struggling. It's gonna affect his batting as well as his bowling. I know there is an aura about the man and what he is capable of but I'm really starting to question whether he should be in the side if he is struggling this much. 

    Sam Curran to come in and balance the side? He's never actually played for England as the 4th seamer which is his ideal role. If Stokes is good to bat he could open? 

    I just don't think we can go up against the Aussies with three quicks plus Leach. 
    Leach is not a test match class spinner, he offers no control or wicket taking threat against good players, the Aussies will target him immediately
    we should play Wood instead of him and use Root as our spinner…. as we don’t actually have a test standard spinner to call on
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,956
    So we've got Stokes with a dodgy knee, Bairstow with a dodgy knee and Leach getting smashed by The Irish.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Addick Addict said:
    We are probably have to do so but can we go into an Ashes Series relying on three seamers and four frontline bowlers because it is obvious that Stokes, with his knee issue, is unable to bowl to any degree - just 2 overs of the 162 delivered by England in this match and 17 in total from the last 8 innings. If the Aussies successfully target Leach then the work load on the three seamers is going to be rather heavy. 

    I posted this on 27th February and not much has changed since then. Stokes went to the IPL and he bowled one over and he assured us this week that he has found a way of managing the situation. Even after this game, despite the grimaces of pain, he has insisted that he is on course to bowl in the Ashes. Would love to believe him. 

    When we add the close proximity of the five Tests, with that workload, I can't see Anderson, Broad or Robinson playing more than four of them and quite possibly only three. The irony is that the Aussies have more readily available replacements for their quicks than we have and we are at home. And they have a genuine and fit all rounder option too. 

    As much as Bazball will win us games I predict a drawn series. Even with home advantage there will be nothing between the sides in my opinion. 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    3-1 to the Aussies is the best result I can see England getting 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322
    MrOneLung said:
    3-1 to the Aussies is the best result I can see England getting 
    What makes you think that? It would be the first time we've lost an home Ashes series in almost a generation and some people would say our squad is better than many over the last few series. 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    Chizz said:
    MrOneLung said:
    3-1 to the Aussies is the best result I can see England getting 
    What makes you think that? It would be the first time we've lost an home Ashes series in almost a generation and some people would say our squad is better than many over the last few series. 
    The fitness of our bowlers in such a condensed series. 

    The fitness of our captain whose grit will get him through one or two tests but fear will be a passenger for the majority 

    The Bazball batting style against a better attack than what we have previously faced 

    Our lack of a decent spinner who can tie up one end 

    Our lack of red ball preparation 

    the fact we have to win the series to get the ashes back rather than trying to hold on to the ashes meaning we will have to take more chances to force a result and giving Aussies more of a chance to sneak a game that would usually be a draw

    Crawley as opener




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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    I'm very worried to be honest, yes we've looked better in the last year or so, but there are still several issues, and I can see Smith and Labuschagne being in the middle for a long time.

    However, British conditions, swing etc still favour Anderson and Broad over the Aussie attack.

    I'll say 2-2 (again).
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,670
    Robinson will do the business
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Leach out of the Ashes with a back stress fracture 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    killerandflash said:
    Leach out of the Ashes with a back stress fracture 
    Makes the decision a bit easier maybe.

    4 seamers, Root to hold an end?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited June 2023
    killerandflash said:
    Leach out of the Ashes with a back stress fracture 
    Convenient 

    Really though I am gutted for the lad.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322
    The instruction has already been sent to Edgbaston to turn on the sprinklers this afternoon and raise the height of the cutters
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    North Lower Neil said:
    killerandflash said:
    Leach out of the Ashes with a back stress fracture 
    Makes the decision a bit easier maybe.

    4 seamers, Root to hold an end?
    Imo that's what we should have been doing anyway, especially with all the aussie lefties.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    That’s a big blow but on the plus side it means we don’t have to have Leach smacked all over the grounds 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Can Stokes bowl offspin? Would be less strain on his knee...
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    Wonder of Rehan Ahmed will get called up to the squad though.

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