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Premier League 22/23

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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    This season prem really has been a strange one. The World Cup didn’t help but considering united and Liverpool are challenging for fourth being shite, spurs embarrassing and Chelsea even worse, it really has been low quality.
    Agreed - feels like Spurs have been rubbish for months, incredible that they’re still seventh. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,973
    Should make for a good summer transfer window tho!
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,840
    #prayforthearsenalfans 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited May 2023
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    I think Arsenals has been worse overall but as an individual game the palace one will take some beating 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    “one of”
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    edited May 2023
    I do find the Arsenal bottle comment a bit disrespectful to City who are the best club side to play in England. 11 league wins in a row. 12 in last 13 including beating Arsenal twice. No side in English history comfortably wins 15+ matches in a row every season. To finish above City you need to be getting 90+ points minimum



  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    Leave off. Your team have bottled it for the last 3 or 4 weeks. He made a mistake in one game. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    I do find the Arsenal bottle comment a bit disrespectful to City who are the best club side to play in England. 11 league wins in a row. 12 in last 13 including beating Arsenal twice. No side in English history comfortably wins 15+ matches in a row every season. To finish above City you need to be getting 90+ points minimum



    The recent points totals to win the PL have been ridiculous.

    I had a look at the table for 1998/99, the Man U treble season, and they won the PL with 79 points, 2 fewer than Arsenal have now. 
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  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,778
    edited May 2023
    I do find the Arsenal bottle comment a bit disrespectful to City who are the best club side to play in England. 11 league wins in a row. 12 in last 13 including beating Arsenal twice. No side in English history comfortably wins 15+ matches in a row every season. To finish above City you need to be getting 90+ points minimum



    I don’t think it disrespects City at all. They’re a great football side and they’ve piled on the points recently. I don’t think anyone is saying they’re not outstanding.  
    But Arsenal had it in their own hands. They then drew three in a row, handing the initiative to City, who then, by way of exchange, handed them back their arses on a silver platter. 
    Now they’ve been given a bare-arse spanking by a team that got mullered 5-1 at home last week by a team threatened by relegation.

    So no. There’s no disrespect for Man City here. Just for Arsenal.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,973
    Yeah it comes more from the fact Arsenal had something like 43 points at a stage, which was the most in Prem history. So the title was in their hands and they bottled it. That’s taking nothing away from City.

    I think City will break points and goals records next season.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    sam3110 said:
    Kane to Chelsea?
    No chance, he wants to win things and as we have seen Chelsea don't sign strikers

    Heard last week that Pochettino had already made a phone call to Romelu Lukaku to say he wants him back at Chelsea as his central striker after his loan in Milan. Came from an excellent source. 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,835
    sam3110 said:
    Kane to Chelsea?
    No chance, he wants to win things and as we have seen Chelsea don't sign strikers

    Heard last week that Pochettino had already made a phone call to Romelu Lukaku to say he wants him back at Chelsea as his central striker after his loan in Milan. Came from an excellent source. 
    Been widely reported 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,761
    Chelsea's have the most expensive squad in the PL that cost £124m more than City's. They also have the home grown talents of Mount, Loftus-Cheek, Gallagher, Chalobah, James and Hall. Chelsea have 43 points. City have almost double that with 85 points. Pochettino is fortunate to have such a squad and low base to start from given that they will finish in the bottom half of the table this season. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    There's no way this is worse than Arsenal. It looks bad only because it's taken before City won their game in hand. Even if Liverpool had won 2 of their last 3 they still wouldn't have won the league that season.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    Yeah it comes more from the fact Arsenal had something like 43 points at a stage, which was the most in Prem history. So the title was in their hands and they bottled it. That’s taking nothing away from City.

    I think City will break points and goals records next season.
    Goals perhaps but i don't think they'll get 100 points again. Not sure that will be matched for quite some time.

    United and Chelsea will be much better, Arsenal, Newcastle and Liverpool will also strengthen. Of course City will strengthen too but i can't see them winning 32-33 games next season given those other sides 'should' be much better.
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,219
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    There's no way this is worse than Arsenal. It looks bad only because it's taken before City won their game in hand. Even if Liverpool had won 2 of their last 3 they still wouldn't have won the league that season.
    On that caption Liverpool have 80 so if they win 2 out of the last three they would have 86 points.

    Chelsea have 75 points, if they win their last three the most they could get is 84 points.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,945
    iaitch said:
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    There's no way this is worse than Arsenal. It looks bad only because it's taken before City won their game in hand. Even if Liverpool had won 2 of their last 3 they still wouldn't have won the league that season.
    On that caption Liverpool have 80 so if they win 2 out of the last three they would have 86 points.

    Chelsea have 75 points, if they win their last three the most they could get is 84 points.
    City got 86 and had a  better goal difference.
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,219
    Ok fair enough I didn't look at City's points.
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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,761
    edited May 2023
    Arsenal ran out of puff but the one player they have missed is Saliba. With him in the side for 27 games, they took 66 points or an average of 2.44 points per a game. Without him they have taken 15 from 9 matches or 1.67 points per game. That is the difference between being on their current 81 points and on 88 points and level with City. Still no guarantee that Arsenal would have won the PL with him for the duration but they certainly would have had a decent chance. 
  • JohnBoyUK
    JohnBoyUK Posts: 9,017
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    Ha.  Not.  Even.  Close.



    The bottle job to end all bottle jobs.

    Anyone for a beer...




  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,973
    Rumours Spurs in for Feyonoord Manager. Would be pleased with that if i was a spud.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    JohnBoyUK said:
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    Ha.  Not.  Even.  Close.



    The bottle job to end all bottle jobs.

    Anyone for a beer...




    I'd put the Arsenal bottle job the year Leicester won the title as a bigger bottle job than this one personally. 

    Man City have rigged the league with financial doping. Unless you're winning 38 games you aren't beating them to the league anymore. 
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    I know many are enjoying Arsenal's implosion but I'd have much rather them win it that City turn the Premier league into a version of the Bundesliga. The fact Arsenal have pushed them this close means City will probably buy a few more exceptional players to ensure it doesn't happen again next season.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    JohnBoyUK said:
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    Ha.  Not.  Even.  Close.



    The bottle job to end all bottle jobs.

    Anyone for a beer...




    I'd put the Arsenal bottle job the year Leicester won the title as a bigger bottle job than this one personally. 

    Man City have rigged the league with financial doping. Unless you're winning 38 games you aren't beating them to the league anymore. 
    In the net spend table over the last 5 years, City are 10th.

    430m less than Chelsea
    315m less than Man U
    260m less than Arsenal
    110m less than Spurs

    And even less than Wolves and West Ham.

    Obviously no one can deny they have a lot of money, but it's lazy to just say they win because of this especially when other clubs spend more. Man U since Fergie left are clear proof that spending money doesn't equal success. City's management structure is first class and their hit rate for signings is far higher than other top clubs. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    City have been charged by the Premier League over FFP, something ongoing, so it's not unreasonable to question their probity. 

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12804623/man-city-premier-league-charges-explained-what-are-they-what-could-punishment-be-whats-the-timescale
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited May 2023
    JohnBoyUK said:
    se9addick said:
    Arsenal this season will go down as one of the biggest bottle jobs of the modern era. 
    Liverpool and Gerrard would like a word. 


    Ha.  Not.  Even.  Close.



    The bottle job to end all bottle jobs.

    Anyone for a beer...




    I'd put the Arsenal bottle job the year Leicester won the title as a bigger bottle job than this one personally. 

    Man City have rigged the league with financial doping. Unless you're winning 38 games you aren't beating them to the league anymore. 
    In the net spend table over the last 5 years, City are 10th.

    430m less than Chelsea
    315m less than Man U
    260m less than Arsenal
    110m less than Spurs

    And even less than Wolves and West Ham.

    Obviously no one can deny they have a lot of money, but it's lazy to just say they win because of this especially when other clubs spend more. Man U since Fergie left are clear proof that spending money doesn't equal success. City's management structure is first class and their hit rate for signings is far higher than other top clubs. 
    Do you really think 'spending' is only done with player transfers? That doesn't take into account wages to start with. 

    Financial doping built their foundations and now they're reaping the benefits (with less cost) because of all the capital expenditure they put in when they first took over. 

    Their ownership has 'invested' £1.8 billion into the club since the takeover, and that's not including their sponsorship deals with inflated values to help them meet profit/loss limits. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Still believe Arsenal have over achieved this season. I had City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal with Chelsea 5th which I thought was bold ! and Spurs 6th. 

    Even when Arsenal were 11 points clear and city had a game in hand I fancied City by a couple of points. 8 point gap when Man city played the same games and down to 5 If/when Pep win at home against the Ex south London club. It came to fruition as Arsenal saw the winning post, they faltered.
    The pressure got to Arsenal similar to Newcastle, under Keegan. 

    My Bottom 3 was Bournemouth 20th, 
    Leeds 19th and Forest 18th. 
    Bizarrely it could still be Leicester and Everton going down with the Saints and I definitely didn't see that scenario.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Highlight of the season for me Arsenal not winning the league, given me great pleasure that.
    Not sure about bottling it though , seasons over 38 games.
    Sure it happens once in a blue moon but you've got to have players who've been there done that.
    Foden at 23 will have 5 premiership titles under his belt.
    Just checked on betfair and Arsenal's odds didn't get shorter than 1/2.
    Arsenal could have another 6 points on the board at this moment and I'd still fancy city to win the league.