OMG! MILLWALL MIGHT GET PROMOTED - but not in 2023 :)

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

Wellred said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

I bet the Everton fan who got slashed is not fond of them we have had our run in with some clubs but nothing like what Millwall have
They was a target by every firm going 
I don't know how it stands these days but there is definitely some clubs like West Ham Leeds Cardiff that will always want to take it to them

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

I bet the Everton fan who got slashed is not fond of them we have had our run in with some clubs but nothing like what Millwall have
They was a target by every firm going 
I don't know how it stands these days but there is definitely some clubs like West Ham Leeds Cardiff that will always want to take it to them

Yes, I don’t think there’s a club of our size who would generate as much an interest from the bigger clubs than us. Everton certainly came down looking for trouble that day (and got it) and when we played Spurs in the cup a few years ago the fixture certainly generated a lot of interest amongst their fan base. Leeds really don’t like us and I think we was voted their third biggest rival in one of those fan polls a few years ago. A lot of the newbie west ham fans will say spurs are their main rivals now but if we play them next season you’ll see how much we still mean to a large chunk of their support. 

I know these rivalries have been generated over the years for all the wrong reasons, but still, it’s nice to be noticed. 😉

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

I bet the Everton fan who got slashed is not fond of them we have had our run in with some clubs but nothing like what Millwall have
They was a target by every firm going 
I don't know how it stands these days but there is definitely some clubs like West Ham Leeds Cardiff that will always want to take it to them

Yes, I don’t think there’s a club of our size who would generate as much an interest from the bigger clubs than us. Everton certainly came down looking for trouble that day (and got it) and when we played Spurs in the cup a few years ago the fixture certainly generated a lot of interest amongst their fan base. Leeds really don’t like us and I think we was voted their third biggest rival in one of those fan polls a few years ago. A lot of the newbie west ham fans will say spurs are their main rivals now but if we play them next season you’ll see how much we still mean to a large chunk of their support. 

I know these rivalries have been generated over the years for all the wrong reasons, but still, it’s nice to be noticed. 😉

Don't know how old you are but one of the hardest lot that come out of London was the Cockney Reds Man Utd fans even your lot would not fancy a run in with them yet you never hear about them & how they was feared
But your right if you do manage to go up & play West Ham it will bring out all the hate between the two of you 

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

I bet the Everton fan who got slashed is not fond of them we have had our run in with some clubs but nothing like what Millwall have
They was a target by every firm going 
I don't know how it stands these days but there is definitely some clubs like West Ham Leeds Cardiff that will always want to take it to them

Yes, I don’t think there’s a club of our size who would generate as much an interest from the bigger clubs than us. Everton certainly came down looking for trouble that day (and got it) and when we played Spurs in the cup a few years ago the fixture certainly generated a lot of interest amongst their fan base. Leeds really don’t like us and I think we was voted their third biggest rival in one of those fan polls a few years ago. A lot of the newbie west ham fans will say spurs are their main rivals now but if we play them next season you’ll see how much we still mean to a large chunk of their support. 

I know these rivalries have been generated over the years for all the wrong reasons, but still, it’s nice to be noticed. 😉

Don't know how old you are but one of the hardest lot that come out of London was the Cockney Reds Man Utd fans even your lot would not fancy a run in with them yet you never hear about them & how they was feared
But your right if you do manage to go up & play West Ham it will bring out all the hate between the two of you 

Before my time I’m afraid but remember hearing stories of clashes between the old boys from the 70’s and the cockney reds. Although I think the next generation of thugs at Millwall were friendly with a few of them. Some of them were from Millwall areas and apparently they drank together and used to play football against each other. I met a bloke down Millwall years ago who told me he was a Man U cockney Red, but was just down there with his pals who were Millwall. He was from Peckham if I remember correctly 

I met some of them at England away game's  they come from all over London I remember bumping into a few that was from the Elephant who was Millwall as kids but got drawn to the Reds complete nutters always one of the first in Ha

cafctom said:

Big_Bad_World said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

Examples for all league clubs (or just the Championship would do) would go some way to understanding how you came to this conclusion.

It's probably (most definitely) hyperbole but would still like to see a lot of examples nonetheless, if only for the current division we're in.

I’m not going to sit here and list every club in a division and walk through the history of Millwall’s interactions with them, because I frankly don’t care enough.

It’s more of a perception. 

When a fixture like Millwall vs Everton generates headlines of violence, or Millwall vs Wigan for that matter - there’s a part of me that just thinks “what the f*** is that about?”….is there really enough of a rivalry there to explain it?

And I understand it has to work both ways. Other clubs will have fans who will change their behaviour knowing they’re playing you.

I have friends who support Millwall, that seemingly have an ‘incident’ to bring up whenever a random club is mentioned. Half the time there’s probably truth in it, and half the time it’s probably a load of bullshit or hearsay. But they’re fascinated by that side of the game even though they don’t really partake in it.

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

I bet the Everton fan who got slashed is not fond of them we have had our run in with some clubs but nothing like what Millwall have
They was a target by every firm going 
I don't know how it stands these days but there is definitely some clubs like West Ham Leeds Cardiff that will always want to take it to them

Yes, I don’t think there’s a club of our size who would generate as much an interest from the bigger clubs than us. Everton certainly came down looking for trouble that day (and got it) and when we played Spurs in the cup a few years ago the fixture certainly generated a lot of interest amongst their fan base. Leeds really don’t like us and I think we was voted their third biggest rival in one of those fan polls a few years ago. A lot of the newbie west ham fans will say spurs are their main rivals now but if we play them next season you’ll see how much we still mean to a large chunk of their support. 

I know these rivalries have been generated over the years for all the wrong reasons, but still, it’s nice to be noticed. 😉

Don't know how old you are but one of the hardest lot that come out of London was the Cockney Reds Man Utd fans even your lot would not fancy a run in with them yet you never hear about them & how they was feared
But your right if you do manage to go up & play West Ham it will bring out all the hate between the two of you 

Before my time I’m afraid but remember hearing stories of clashes between the old boys from the 70’s and the cockney reds. Although I think the next generation of thugs at Millwall were friendly with a few of them. Some of them were from Millwall areas and apparently they drank together and used to play football against each other. I met a bloke down Millwall years ago who told me he was a Man U cockney Red, but was just down there with his pals who were Millwall. He was from Peckham if I remember correctly 

I met some of them at England away game's  they come from all over London I remember bumping into a few that was from the Elephant who was Millwall as kids but got drawn to the Reds complete nutters always one of the first in Ha

So are you saying they acted as our c*nt filter? 

Like I say mate they was from all over London so most would have been drawn in from other London clubs not just Millwall wouldn't know for what reason just know coursing havoc was top of their list 

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

MillwallFan said:

Wellred said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

I bet the Everton fan who got slashed is not fond of them we have had our run in with some clubs but nothing like what Millwall have
They was a target by every firm going 
I don't know how it stands these days but there is definitely some clubs like West Ham Leeds Cardiff that will always want to take it to them

Yes, I don’t think there’s a club of our size who would generate as much an interest from the bigger clubs than us. Everton certainly came down looking for trouble that day (and got it) and when we played Spurs in the cup a few years ago the fixture certainly generated a lot of interest amongst their fan base. Leeds really don’t like us and I think we was voted their third biggest rival in one of those fan polls a few years ago. A lot of the newbie west ham fans will say spurs are their main rivals now but if we play them next season you’ll see how much we still mean to a large chunk of their support. 

I know these rivalries have been generated over the years for all the wrong reasons, but still, it’s nice to be noticed. 😉

Don't know how old you are but one of the hardest lot that come out of London was the Cockney Reds Man Utd fans even your lot would not fancy a run in with them yet you never hear about them & how they was feared
But your right if you do manage to go up & play West Ham it will bring out all the hate between the two of you 

Before my time I’m afraid but remember hearing stories of clashes between the old boys from the 70’s and the cockney reds. Although I think the next generation of thugs at Millwall were friendly with a few of them. Some of them were from Millwall areas and apparently they drank together and used to play football against each other. I met a bloke down Millwall years ago who told me he was a Man U cockney Red, but was just down there with his pals who were Millwall. He was from Peckham if I remember correctly 

I met some of them at England away game's  they come from all over London I remember bumping into a few that was from the Elephant who was Millwall as kids but got drawn to the Reds complete nutters always one of the first in Ha

So are you saying they acted as our c*nt filter? 

Like I say mate they was from all over London so most would have been drawn in from other London clubs not just Millwall wouldn't know for what reason just know coursing havoc was top of their list 

cabbles said:

 

Bizarrely, and this is just my personal opinion, I don’t get all the photos that crop up on Twitter on match days of fans on trains with booze.  It seems to be an actual thing to photograph your Koppabergs or whatever you drink.

stonemuse said:

cafctom said:

Big_Bad_World said:

cafctom said:

Big_Bad_World said:

cafctom said:

Is there a club Millwall don’t make out to have some sort of tenuous ‘rivalry’ with? 

It feels like every one they play, somebody will bring up the ‘history’ they have.

Not doubting that certain incidents didn’t happen, especially in the past, but rivalries being cited with the likes of Everton and Portsmouth just sound like it’s all playing into the ‘no one likes us’ image. When in reality, I don’t know a single Everton fan who cares one bit about Millwall.

Examples for all league clubs (or just the Championship would do) would go some way to understanding how you came to this conclusion.

It's probably (most definitely) hyperbole but would still like to see a lot of examples nonetheless, if only for the current division we're in.

I’m not going to sit here and list every club in a division and walk through the history of Millwall’s interactions with them, because I frankly don’t care enough.

It’s more of a perception. 

When a fixture like Millwall vs Everton generates headlines of violence, or Millwall vs Wigan for that matter - there’s a part of me that just thinks “what the f*** is that about?”….is there really enough of a rivalry there to explain it?

And I understand it has to work both ways. Other clubs will have fans who will change their behaviour knowing they’re playing you.

I have friends who support Millwall, that seemingly have an ‘incident’ to bring up whenever a random club is mentioned. Half the time there’s probably truth in it, and half the time it’s probably a load of bullshit or hearsay. But they’re fascinated by that side of the game even though they don’t really partake in it.

I mean I've looked at the Championship table and can name probably half the teams in there whereby nothing of any note has ever occured between the clubs.

If your friends are larging it for every club we play then that tells me you should probably take what they're saying with a large pinch of salt (which it seems you have alluded to) as that's not anywhere near the reality for most 

Right. So the other half of the table you can point out those incidents. That’s still a massive proportion compared to most clubs - and hence why the perception comes about that a lot of these ‘rivalries’ can sometimes feel a bit forced when every other game there is some sort of “history” being waffled on about. 

And I know it’s not all Millwall fans, so it’s certainly not a dig at the whole fanbase. More just an observation that many of them will wear the flat cap when the story suits

No doubt there is far more trouble when Millwall are mentioned …. However, for perspective, I’ve just gone through the Championship table and Charlton also had run-ins with at least half the teams in the 70s/80s. 

Maybe not on same level, but it happened.  

Solidgone said:

I seem to recall from a mate who’s a spanner and was at a Millwall Cup match at Goodison Park back in the 70”s? There were some Everton hooligans in the away end and charged Millwall with knives.

I think they was stabbing them coming through the turnstiles into the home end when the old bill deliberately escorted some of them into that section 

Wellred said:

Solidgone said:

I seem to recall from a mate who’s a spanner and was at a Millwall Cup match at Goodison Park back in the 70”s? There were some Everton hooligans in the away end and charged Millwall with knives.

I think they was stabbing them coming through the turnstiles into the home end when the old bill deliberately escorted some of them into that section