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Post-Match Thread: Portsmouth vs Charlton Athletic | New Years Day - 3pm KO
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If it wasn’t for the fact that we didn’t win a game between 1939 -1954 (19 games), we would have a good record against Portsmouth.paulsturgess said:We have won 10 of our last 11 games at Fratton and have lost only 5 of our last 24 fixtures against Pompey, with an amazing 16 wins - BUT we are still behind on our all time h2h against them!!!0 -
Great run and finish from Fraser but if that was our defence people would be going mad. 4/5 defenders around him and no one got close to getting a challenge in.0
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True, I would have liked to have seen JFK used as an emergency left LB in a back 4 rather than going to a 5 where pretty much all 5 players are unsuited to their position.Southbank said:
It is not as straightforward as that. Without a left back, when Sess is out, we have tried 442 with Chin, Clare and Clayden at left back and have been very exposed. This has led to 352 as an option.Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
We desperately need a proper left back to make 442 work consistently.
Then Sess could go to right back when fit, or Egbo, and we would have a proper 4 man defence.
Can't see him being worse there that Clare, Chin or Clayden.1 -
I agree but what is the formation? I suppose it has to be 433 but im not convinced by it unless we can bring in another midfielder capable of getting up and supporting the striker to play with Dobson and Fraser.Cafc43v3r said:
442 will never work consistently, unless your players are significantly better than the opposition. Or they are stupid enough to play it as well.Southbank said:
It is not as straightforward as that. Without a left back, when Sess is out, we have tried 442 with Chin, Clare and Clayden at left back and have been very exposed. This has led to 352 as an option.Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
We desperately need a proper left back to make 442 work consistently.
Then Sess could go to right back when fit, or Egbo, and we would have a proper 4 man defence.If JRS leaves I’d probably turn to the diamond, but we’d need a few additions.0 -
Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.9 -
I have to disagree with that last point. Yesterday they were trying their best. They weren't against Oxford and they haven't been for a good part of the season. Let's see if they do for the next game.KingKinsella said:Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.2 -
Looks like the Omaze house draws in Croydon!
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If that front 3 are fit 433 for me. But if you say that Egbo is out for the season, O'Connell will be out a while and Aneke can't play, what ever formation you play you are 1 or 2 injures/suspensions away from hammering very square pegs into round holes or throwing kids who aren't ready in.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree but what is the formation? I suppose it has to be 433 but im not convinced by it unless we can bring in another midfielder capable of getting up and supporting the striker to play with Dobson and Fraser.Cafc43v3r said:
442 will never work consistently, unless your players are significantly better than the opposition. Or they are stupid enough to play it as well.Southbank said:
It is not as straightforward as that. Without a left back, when Sess is out, we have tried 442 with Chin, Clare and Clayden at left back and have been very exposed. This has led to 352 as an option.Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
We desperately need a proper left back to make 442 work consistently.
Then Sess could go to right back when fit, or Egbo, and we would have a proper 4 man defence.If JRS leaves I’d probably turn to the diamond, but we’d need a few additions.1 -
Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
Why ?
3-5-2 is as good or bad as the players you have available.
Last season in League 1, under Jackson. Charlton beat Sunderland, Doncaster, Burton,Plymouth, Ipswich, Cambridge, Portsmouth, Wimbledon,Gillingham, Burton, Doncaster, Rotherham, Cambridge and Shrewsbury.
14 wins that took us from 22nd to 13th by playing 3-5-2 Despite having hit and miss players in the wing back positions and Fraser and Aneke injured, sick so we lost momentum from mid table.
Players need to play well in any Formation.
4-3-3 will work if Leaburn's plays and Rak Saki and CBT are available in a partnership and Fraser, Dobson+1(Morgan needs to finally be consistent) can link up.
Playing an out of sorts Thomas as the LCB and Chin as LWB was asking for trouble and Robinson exploited that. Holden TBF said Sess wasn't fit but thankfully he found a shape that fitted the players available against a Pompey team that were all at sea.
I just don't want to see Leaburn double marked and isolated in home matches.
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Agreed, we probably need a LB, CB, CM and striker. Not ideal in January but they won’t need to be world beaters for us to climb 6-8 placesCafc43v3r said:
If that front 3 are fit 433 for me. But if you say that Egbo is out for the season, O'Connell will be out a while and Aneke can't play, what ever formation you play you are 1 or 2 injures/suspensions away from hammering very square pegs into round holes or throwing kids who aren't ready in.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree but what is the formation? I suppose it has to be 433 but im not convinced by it unless we can bring in another midfielder capable of getting up and supporting the striker to play with Dobson and Fraser.Cafc43v3r said:
442 will never work consistently, unless your players are significantly better than the opposition. Or they are stupid enough to play it as well.Southbank said:
It is not as straightforward as that. Without a left back, when Sess is out, we have tried 442 with Chin, Clare and Clayden at left back and have been very exposed. This has led to 352 as an option.Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
We desperately need a proper left back to make 442 work consistently.
Then Sess could go to right back when fit, or Egbo, and we would have a proper 4 man defence.If JRS leaves I’d probably turn to the diamond, but we’d need a few additions.0 -
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Superb all round performance yesterday; however, it will mean little if we don't get a result against Lincoln on Saturday. For me the set up was ideal for an away game where our pace caused them problems all afternoon as we exploited the space when they came at us. Not sure we will get that space against Lincoln.0
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Interesting comments from Holden about only having half a pitch to train on and not much time to fit in sessions. He also has that deep northern growl about him which might give a few of these players a kick up the arse.2
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Heartwarming reception.ross1 said:2 -
cafcfan1990 said:
Agreed, we probably need a LB, CB, CM and striker. Not ideal in January but they won’t need to be world beaters for us to climb 6-8 placesCafc43v3r said:
If that front 3 are fit 433 for me. But if you say that Egbo is out for the season, O'Connell will be out a while and Aneke can't play, what ever formation you play you are 1 or 2 injures/suspensions away from hammering very square pegs into round holes or throwing kids who aren't ready in.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree but what is the formation? I suppose it has to be 433 but im not convinced by it unless we can bring in another midfielder capable of getting up and supporting the striker to play with Dobson and Fraser.Cafc43v3r said:
442 will never work consistently, unless your players are significantly better than the opposition. Or they are stupid enough to play it as well.Southbank said:
It is not as straightforward as that. Without a left back, when Sess is out, we have tried 442 with Chin, Clare and Clayden at left back and have been very exposed. This has led to 352 as an option.Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
We desperately need a proper left back to make 442 work consistently.
Then Sess could go to right back when fit, or Egbo, and we would have a proper 4 man defence.If JRS leaves I’d probably turn to the diamond, but we’d need a few additions.
IF just a few players can come in who fit into the squad/team and be average then Dobson,Leaburn, Fraser, CBT and a sharper Rak Saki can move us up the table despite the chaos off the pitch. I didn't expect Inniss to be fit to play as many matches but a bonus if he can stay calm and not try to be John Stones on the ball. I taught my defenders, no shame in putting the ball out of play if the alteratative will put the team in trouble. Safety first Ryan Inniss compared to his two shocking mistakes on the ball was a thing of beauty.
We need a Left Footed LB to cover Stephen Sessegnon(who is vital for Cafc despite not being Left Footed !)
I like Dean Holden's Northern bluntness.
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OK maybe you are confusing "trying" their best with "performing" to their best (to spell it out these are different), maybe they were given confusing instructions or weren't able to implement the tactics due to lack of skill, fatigue or (in) ability.Chunes said:
I have to disagree with that last point. Yesterday they were trying their best. They weren't against Oxford and they haven't been for a good part of the season. Let's see if they do for the next game.KingKinsella said:Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.
They could be still "trying" their best.
So many posts on here are harsh judgements , OK skill and decision making may be lacking, thats different to not "trying".2 -
Risky._nam11 said:Somewhat indifferent about the result.
Happy we won. However, considering recent form, yesterday I booked a ten day holiday the same time as the play off semis and final.😳2 -
No, not confusing them. At times I don't think they have been trying. Steve Brown has played at the highest level, he can spot players shirking, and he was calling players out against Oxford for jogging back when they'd been beaten and letting their men go. He's said similar multiple times this season - sometimes there's no fight or competitiveness in this team and we generally lacking the desire to win the duels. Holden said the same as have multiple managers.KingKinsella said:
OK maybe you are confusing "trying" their best with "performing" to their best (to spell it out these are different), maybe they were given confusing instructions or weren't able to implement the tactics due to lack of skill, fatigue or (in) ability.Chunes said:
I have to disagree with that last point. Yesterday they were trying their best. They weren't against Oxford and they haven't been for a good part of the season. Let's see if they do for the next game.KingKinsella said:Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.
They could be still "trying" their best.
So many posts on here are harsh judgements , OK skill and decision making may be lacking, thats different to not "trying".
I respect the opinions of fellow Charlton fans although I scratch my head when I read people saying they think the players have been trying. We've got some guff but we don't have the 18th worst squad in the league. Our players turn up one week and don't do the hard yards the next.7 -
Bit late but...
A great performance for the most part, not best we've played this season and Pompey being a bit shite helped but given how it's been recently that was miles ahead of where we have been. Going back to 433 made the difference as we looked pretty comfortable, we did however get a bit ropey in the second half around Portsmouth going down to 10 but managed to see the game out for that massive win and 3 points.
Still suffered from some of the same problems with individuals and the defence and end product, better teams will still punish us and errors in our game will have us crying into our pillows but, thankfully it was Pompey we played. We're not out of the woods yet, and HMS piss it to the playoffs is still moored but that'll go a long way to getting some confidence and smiles back in the team.
Pompey I see a bit like us, a team that has its good and bad patches,.smatterings of decent players but lacking that "spark" - either a talisman player or a group mentality. We are what we are, an inconsistent mid table team that on its day can be sublime, on it's worst utter chaotic.
Leaburn - Made the biggest difference in the return to 433 maybe if Garner had tried him top rather than on the right more he might still be here and we'd be higher in the table, our most dynamic front man and suited the formation a lot better than Stockley. I get why we didn't see him play that role earlier (and agree with the decision) but now it's clear he's good enough for league one so the position is his imo.
Keep the same team going for as long as possible and Just try and get some consistency going.3 -
Or just maybe the manager was influenced to weaken the starting 11 to gift a head-start to Oxford by our incoming directorship that is known to be Oxford supportingKingKinsella said:
OK maybe you are confusing "trying" their best with "performing" to their best (to spell it out these are different), maybe they were given confusing instructions or weren't able to implement the tactics due to lack of skill, fatigue or (in) ability.Chunes said:
I have to disagree with that last point. Yesterday they were trying their best. They weren't against Oxford and they haven't been for a good part of the season. Let's see if they do for the next game.KingKinsella said:Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.
They could be still "trying" their best.
So many posts on here are harsh judgements , OK skill and decision making may be lacking, thats different to not "trying".
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Clare didn't try against Oxford that's your prime example.KingKinsella said:
OK maybe you are confusing "trying" their best with "performing" to their best (to spell it out these are different), maybe they were given confusing instructions or weren't able to implement the tactics due to lack of skill, fatigue or (in) ability.Chunes said:
I have to disagree with that last point. Yesterday they were trying their best. They weren't against Oxford and they haven't been for a good part of the season. Let's see if they do for the next game.KingKinsella said:Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.
They could be still "trying" their best.
So many posts on here are harsh judgements , OK skill and decision making may be lacking, thats different to not "trying".
They are not trying and battling week in week out but they did yesterday so fair fucking play.0 -
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Fine for the Man U game as we'll never leave our own half anywayValleyGary said:Interesting comments from Holden about only having half a pitch to train on and not much time to fit in sessions. He also has that deep northern growl about him which might give a few of these players a kick up the arse.
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Agree, the left back has to be the priority. I’d still like to see a CB, although with O’Connell coming back and Ness going ok, it’s not as urgent as it was a couple of weeks ago. I’d like to see Lavelle swapped for someone better though. We’ve got the numbers in midfield but short on quality, and again we might look at swapping JFC out. We need another striker but if we’re going 433 we’d be heavy on numbers (if you include Aneke) but we need to take some pressure off Miles.soapboxsam said:cafcfan1990 said:
Agreed, we probably need a LB, CB, CM and striker. Not ideal in January but they won’t need to be world beaters for us to climb 6-8 placesCafc43v3r said:
If that front 3 are fit 433 for me. But if you say that Egbo is out for the season, O'Connell will be out a while and Aneke can't play, what ever formation you play you are 1 or 2 injures/suspensions away from hammering very square pegs into round holes or throwing kids who aren't ready in.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree but what is the formation? I suppose it has to be 433 but im not convinced by it unless we can bring in another midfielder capable of getting up and supporting the striker to play with Dobson and Fraser.Cafc43v3r said:
442 will never work consistently, unless your players are significantly better than the opposition. Or they are stupid enough to play it as well.Southbank said:
It is not as straightforward as that. Without a left back, when Sess is out, we have tried 442 with Chin, Clare and Clayden at left back and have been very exposed. This has led to 352 as an option.Dave2l said:3-5-2 should permanently be ditched in my opinion.
That formation should never be allowed in league one.
We desperately need a proper left back to make 442 work consistently.
Then Sess could go to right back when fit, or Egbo, and we would have a proper 4 man defence.If JRS leaves I’d probably turn to the diamond, but we’d need a few additions.
IF just a few players can come in who fit into the squad/team and be average then Dobson,Leaburn, Fraser, CBT and a sharper Rak Saki can move us up the table despite the chaos off the pitch. I didn't expect Inniss to be fit to play as many matches but a bonus if he can stay calm and not try to be John Stones on the ball. I taught my defenders, no shame in putting the ball out of play if the alteratative will put the team in trouble. Safety first Ryan Inniss compared to his two shocking mistakes on the ball was a thing of beauty.
We need a Left Footed LB to cover Stephen Sessegnon(who is vital for Cafc despite not being Left Footed !)
I like Dean Holden's Northern bluntness.0 -
Sean Clare was not trying against Oxford. Wasn't lack of ability, was pure lack of effortKingKinsella said:
OK maybe you are confusing "trying" their best with "performing" to their best (to spell it out these are different), maybe they were given confusing instructions or weren't able to implement the tactics due to lack of skill, fatigue or (in) ability.Chunes said:
I have to disagree with that last point. Yesterday they were trying their best. They weren't against Oxford and they haven't been for a good part of the season. Let's see if they do for the next game.KingKinsella said:Delighted to see us win against a very poor Portsmouth side , you can only beat whats in front of you and we have made one step forward.
To all the critics on this site (yes me included) I thought Danny Cowley said something we should all bear in mind
"Confidence is a very fragile commodity"
Please remember this for all strikers who haven't scored, defenders who blunder, injured players who return below previous form. They are human, and 99% are trying their best.
They could be still "trying" their best.
So many posts on here are harsh judgements , OK skill and decision making may be lacking, thats different to not "trying".1 -
strange really coz they were our glory days - pompey's as well though i guessStewart said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that we didn’t win a game between 1939 -1954 (19 games), we would have a good record against Portsmouth.paulsturgess said:We have won 10 of our last 11 games at Fratton and have lost only 5 of our last 24 fixtures against Pompey, with an amazing 16 wins - BUT we are still behind on our all time h2h against them!!!1 -
Yes they used to be our bogey team, and now we're their bogey team. Odd how that's happened.Stewart said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that we didn’t win a game between 1939 -1954 (19 games), we would have a good record against Portsmouth.paulsturgess said:We have won 10 of our last 11 games at Fratton and have lost only 5 of our last 24 fixtures against Pompey, with an amazing 16 wins - BUT we are still behind on our all time h2h against them!!!0 -
Hopefully we are due 80 years of dominance over the nut n bolt gang down the road... IF we are ever in the same league again.JamesSeed said:
Yes they used to be our bogey team, and now we're their bogey team. Odd how that's happened.Stewart said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that we didn’t win a game between 1939 -1954 (19 games), we would have a good record against Portsmouth.paulsturgess said:We have won 10 of our last 11 games at Fratton and have lost only 5 of our last 24 fixtures against Pompey, with an amazing 16 wins - BUT we are still behind on our all time h2h against them!!!1 -
Yes I know, it must of been some Portsmouth team for so long for us not to win a game.DOUCHER said:
strange really coz they were our glory days - pompey's as well though i guessStewart said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that we didn’t win a game between 1939 -1954 (19 games), we would have a good record against Portsmouth.paulsturgess said:We have won 10 of our last 11 games at Fratton and have lost only 5 of our last 24 fixtures against Pompey, with an amazing 16 wins - BUT we are still behind on our all time h2h against them!!!1 -
I would like to apologise to all lifers on this forum for butting in on this thread,but I am curious/concerned about Dave Rudd as I haven’t seen a comment from him for quite sometime. Can any lifers throw any light on this matter. Thanks in advance.0
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Why don't you send him a private message asking if he's OK.Davo53 said:I would like to apologise to all lifers on this forum for butting in on this thread,but I am curious/concerned about Dave Rudd as I haven’t seen a comment from him for quite sometime. Can any lifers throw any light on this matter. Thanks in advance.
I did this a couple of months ago as I was concerned about another regular poster but added that he should ignore the enquiry if it wasn't the time to respond or if he wanted to keep his affairs/problems/news private.2
