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Ultra Low Emission Zone
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I can't see the problem with this if you live in London. Hopefully I get caught with my old 2018 car in 2030 with the electricity evolution.0
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Im hoping to convert our bedroom to an ultra low emission zone.0
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How do you come to that conclusion when for instance Tory Bexley & Bromley are vehemently opposed?Riscardo said:
It's a tory policy that he has to implement !!!Hartleypete said:You pricks in London voted him in.
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Luckily doesn’t affect us as our cars are either compliant or exempt but still a piss take. Got F all to do with clean air, just plugging the financial hole that TFL are in.5
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Ok I'll bite.bolloxbolder said:I can't see the problem with this if you live in London. Hopefully I get caught with my old 2018 car in 2030 with the electricity evolution.
Pretend you are a carer on minimum wage. You need a car to get from patient to patient. You are currently driving an old banger because that is all you can afford.
Such people do not have thousands of pounds lying around so they can buy a compliant car. So they either stop working or pay a further £12.50 a day out of their paltry earnings that are scarcely sufficient for them to live on.
There will be lots of people in all sorts of jobs who will find themselves in a similar situation.
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Really? It was part of the govt bailout of TFL that the ULEZ was extended to the M25. Obviously the govt want Khan to get the blame but this was one of Grant Shapps main aims.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
I really think you need to check your facts here.Riscardo said:
It's a tory policy that he has to implement !!!Hartleypete said:You pricks in London voted him in.
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That's just wrong.rananegra said:
Really? It was part of the govt bailout of TFL that the ULEZ was extended to the M25. Obviously the govt want Khan to get the blame but this was one of Grant Shapps main aims.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
I really think you need to check your facts here.Riscardo said:
It's a tory policy that he has to implement !!!Hartleypete said:You pricks in London voted him in.
Bejesus
In layman's terms, as part of the bailout TfL are obliged to find savings. But the government did not instruct Khan to extend the ULEZ to the M25. That was Khan's choice.
You can see the TFL settlement letter here - https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-settlement-letter-30-august-2022.pdf
If you look at para 22, it clearly - and quite pointedly -states "You have decided to consult on proposals for the introduction of a London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone for introduction in 2023, to improve air quality in London."
There is no instruction from the government for him to do it.3 -
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.golfaddick said:Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
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The artificial boundary between London and the Home Counties is a concern. Businesses just inside the London boundary will be impacted if customers just outside stop coming in, Crayford shops being a good example.
It will be interesting if more people go to Dartford Sainsbury's and Aldi at the expense of the Crayford ones, even if they live nearer Crayford.0 -
So what you're saying is that you feel these people should be paid a more realistic wage, reflecting the essential and extremely challenging work they do and/or receive some kind of grant to buy a subsidised electric vehicle? I agree.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Ok I'll bite.bolloxbolder said:I can't see the problem with this if you live in London. Hopefully I get caught with my old 2018 car in 2030 with the electricity evolution.
Pretend you are a carer on minimum wage. You need a car to get from patient to patient. You are currently driving an old banger because that is all you can afford.
Such people do not have thousands of pounds lying around so they can buy a compliant car. So they either stop working or pay a further £12.50 a day out of their paltry earnings that are scarcely sufficient for them to live on.
There will be lots of people in all sorts of jobs who will find themselves in a similar situation.
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If that car is so polluting though @meldrew66 was it such a good buy in the first place? Does it actually fail the ulez checker to verify it breaches the Euro6 standard?meldrew66 said:
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.golfaddick said:Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.1 -
How old is the car?meldrew66 said:
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.golfaddick said:Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞1 -
The tfl black hole won’t be helped by the decision to ban Qatar adverts from all tfl vehicles, just announced.
Will also have significant impact on the City as Qatari investment looks like moving away as a result.2 -
My Fiesta diesel (63 plate) is road tax exempt due to its low emissions, yet not for ULEZ. However my mate’s 335 which is £450 a year road tax because of the emissions is ULEZ compliant. Go figure.0
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Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'3 -
@killerandflashkillerandflash said:It moves out to M25 in a couple of years too.
It's the North and South circulars actually
crystal ball working well.0 -
They own Harrods, right? So that'll get shut down and turned into a massive Sports DirectMrWalker said:The tfl black hole won’t be helped by the decision to ban Qatar adverts from all tfl vehicles, just announced.
Will also have significant impact on the City as Qatari investment looks like moving away as a result.1 -
2010 mate. Only 66k on the clockSoundAsa£ said:
How old is the car?meldrew66 said:
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.golfaddick said:Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞0 -
Oh well……..you’re screwed there then.😕meldrew66 said:
2010 mate. Only 66k on the clockSoundAsa£ said:
How old is the car?meldrew66 said:
Yep, we’re in the same boat. We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.golfaddick said:Absolute appalling news. Especially in SE London where the tube doesn't even go anywhere near. I bet the ULEZ map would look a lot different if it was based on the Underground.
So basically there is a £12.50 charge to enter Greater London.
Muppets.
I ask because the charge only applies to diesel vehicles older than 2015, you need to check, you might be worrying about nothing.🤞0 -
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.O-Randy-Hunt said:Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
It's not a complicated concept.3 -
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And how do we stop the large number of families doing school runs every day for presumably small journeys? That’s poor on every level yet appears to be increasing.cantersaddick said:
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.O-Randy-Hunt said:Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
It's not a complicated concept.Schools try I think to encourage walking as should be very viable for most but it seems to little success.ULEZ likely won’t solve. But what will?0 -
Stricter enforcement around the schools with more restrictions?; so joint effort by council and schools leadership, on a council and school by school basis (Though couldn't see it happening myself either until some connected health scares materialise in the media!)valleynick66 said:
And how do we stop the large number of families doing school runs every day for presumably small journeys? That’s poor on every level yet appears to be increasing.cantersaddick said:
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.O-Randy-Hunt said:Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
It's not a complicated concept.Schools try I think to encourage walking as should be very viable for most but it seems to little success.ULEZ likely won’t solve. But what will?0 -
It already happens in schools around London and rightly so imoswords_alive said:
Stricter enforcement around the schools with more restrictions?; so joint effort by council and schools leadership, on a council and school by school basis (Though couldn't see it happening myself either until some connected health scares materialise in the media!)valleynick66 said:
And how do we stop the large number of families doing school runs every day for presumably small journeys? That’s poor on every level yet appears to be increasing.cantersaddick said:
Incentives are the most effective way to bring behavioural change.O-Randy-Hunt said:Sadiq says 'Our city is being smothered by toxic air. Air pollution particles have even been found in the livers and brains of unborn babies. We can not stand idly by and allow this to continue'
What he forgot to add was 'unless you pay us £12.50 a day to help pay our 100k wages and bonuses, then that pollution magically disappears and you are no longer a baby killer'
It's not a complicated concept.Schools try I think to encourage walking as should be very viable for most but it seems to little success.ULEZ likely won’t solve. But what will?1 -
agreed that is needed. But doesn’t seem to happen often enough.0
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Just because it is not in that document doesn't mean it wasn't there.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
That's just wrong.rananegra said:
Really? It was part of the govt bailout of TFL that the ULEZ was extended to the M25. Obviously the govt want Khan to get the blame but this was one of Grant Shapps main aims.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
I really think you need to check your facts here.Riscardo said:
It's a tory policy that he has to implement !!!Hartleypete said:You pricks in London voted him in.
Bejesus
In layman's terms, as part of the bailout TfL are obliged to find savings. But the government did not instruct Khan to extend the ULEZ to the M25. That was Khan's choice.
You can see the TFL settlement letter here - https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-settlement-letter-30-august-2022.pdf
If you look at para 22, it clearly - and quite pointedly -states "You have decided to consult on proposals for the introduction of a London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone for introduction in 2023, to improve air quality in London."
There is no instruction from the government for him to do it.
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Normally politicians implement policies which will get them elected next time round. So I wonder why he would make himself so unpopular? Maybe he truly believes that implementing the ULEZ will improve the lives of people in Greater London? Maybe he's been forced into it?sam3110 said:Everyone says "No we don't want this"
Politician does whatever the fuck he wants anyway
Shocked.
Personally, I think it's a bad idea which is being badly implemented. It will bankrupt businesses and force people into poverty. Not what is needed in a recession.1 -
A few years ago I got 3 new cars at work. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV because the emissions were low enough to go into the Congestion Charge without paying and my guys were in there every single day. Effectively the saving meant the cars were very reasonably priced.
What did they do? The reduced the emissions level to be 1 g/km below the limit of the Outlander and we then had to pay a premium for a hybrid vehicle (relatively new tech back then) as well as a load of congestion charges.
They convinced everyone to get diesels a while back and now make them prohibitively expensive to buy and impossible to sell. Glad my wifes one is leased and goes back soon.
They convinced everyone that electric vehicles are the way forward - but now we are charged stupid amounts for electricity.
No idea what to get when we get a new car or wifey now! Might just stick with plain and boring petrol cars0 -
I handsdown win the competition for the most shafted, because of ulez. I run a gardening company in Bromley with six transit tipper trucks only one of which is ulez compliant (18 plate) to continue to trade I will need to pay £62.50 per truck per day or spend £18,000 on an 18 plate truck x5. That’s too much money which ever way you look at it. I’m all for saving the planet but why do I feel I am the one picked on here?. Shouldn’t the burden be shared? It really is a question of fairness.4
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You are thinking of swapping out the Missus?Swisdom said:A few years ago I got 3 new cars at work. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV because the emissions were low enough to go into the Congestion Charge without paying and my guys were in there every single day. Effectively the saving meant the cars were very reasonably priced.
What did they do? The reduced the emissions level to be 1 g/km below the limit of the Outlander and we then had to pay a premium for a hybrid vehicle (relatively new tech back then) as well as a load of congestion charges.
They convinced everyone to get diesels a while back and now make them prohibitively expensive to buy and impossible to sell. Glad my wifes one is leased and goes back soon.
They convinced everyone that electric vehicles are the way forward - but now we are charged stupid amounts for electricity.
No idea what to get when we get a new car or wifey now! Might just stick with plain and boring petrol cars
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I'd contact your MP maybe it's Bob Neill.bromleyjohn said:I handsdown win the competition for the most shafted, because of ulez. I run a gardening company in Bromley with six transit tipper trucks only one of which is ulez compliant (18 plate) to continue to trade I will need to pay £62.50 per truck per day or spend £18,000 on an 18 plate truck x5. That’s too much money which ever way you look at it. I’m all for saving the planet but why do I feel I am the one picked on here?. Shouldn’t the burden be shared? It really is a question of fairness.
It may not help, but there may be some chink of light.0
