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That makes a lot more sense to me, @Jints.Jints said:Not an expert but I do a bit of legal work around infrastructure planning so I follow this stuff. I think we may be talking about two different things. I was talking about tidal generators which use the movement of water created by tides to generate electricity. It sounds like you may be talking about enrgy generated by waves. That can be anywhere there are wind generated waves (provided you can connect to the grid and subject to the effects on marine life) and there's lots of potential in terms of capacity but the technology is really in its infancy and its not expected that wave generation will provide a meaningful contribution towards net zero until 2050. Unlike tidal, there's no guarantee of constant generation as you still need the wind to blow and waves to form.1 -
I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans showing they would do it and indeed how it could be done.3
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The government are taking the piss.MuttleyCAFC said:I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans how they would do it and indeed how it could be done.
Coming to the end of August and there are no plans as to deal with the energy crisis if there is no bail out.
Myself I will be having the heating on when I want even if I cant afford the heating.
I would then pay that off to what I could afford a month.
There are though tens if not hundreds of thousands of people out there that if they cant afford it wont put the heating on.
Plans should be put in place for people to go for some warmth when they need it.
Complete joke and why I will never vote for a main political again in my life.0 -
People will die if the Government doesn't act. Also inflation is likely to baloon further and a big recession would be more likely. I think they will announce the increased cap and either promise to stick to that through the winter and spring or even go back to the current one as presentationally it will look better.
It is inconceivable they just leave it as it is.0 -
People died because of decisions the government made during covid, I’m not sure they are too worried, they will see it as a saving in state pensions.3
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They are still making those bad decisions, see my post on the Coronavirus thread.guinnessaddick said:People died because of decisions the government made during covid, I’m not sure they are too worried, they will see it as a saving in state pensions.0 -
It's not 'main political (I assume) parties' though, is it? It's just the fucking tories. Labour and the Lib Dems have both put out plans to tackle the crisis.clb74 said:
The government are taking the piss.MuttleyCAFC said:I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans how they would do it and indeed how it could be done.
Coming to the end of August and there are no plans as to deal with the energy crisis if there is no bail out.
Myself I will be having the heating on when I want even if I cant afford the heating.
I would then pay that off to what I could afford a month.
There are though tens if not hundreds of thousands of people out there that if they cant afford it wont put the heating on.
Plans should be put in place for people to go for some warmth when they need it.
Complete joke and why I will never vote for a main political again in my life.12 -
Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.6
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perhaps a (say) 10% rise in the cap would be bearable by the 'average consumer' .. I agree that the cap should be frozen, however this is just NOT going to happen as the government can't control the price being demanded by the energy producers .. all the govt can do is to grant money to help pay bills, this will either be money from taxation or borrowingMuttleyCAFC said:I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans how they would do it and indeed how it could be done.1 - Sponsored links:
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this is a lame duck PM, an attention seeker and serial liar/bullshitter going for international applause .. I don't believe, if the 'average member of the British public' was asked to tell the truth, they would be cheering for Johnson's policy. They might have great sympathy for the Ukrainian people but subsidising their fight through 100% fuel price increases ?, I don't think soMuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.0 -
it's also quite possible to fund their fight whilst also keeping a cap on fuel prices and briefly subsidising energy suppliers.Lincsaddick said:
this is a lame duck PM, an attention seeker and serial liar/bullshitter going for international applause .. I don't believe, if the 'average member of the British public' was asked to tell the truth, they would be cheering for Johnson's policy. They might have great sympathy for the Ukrainian people but subsidising their fight through 100% fuel price increases ?, I don't think soMuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.0 -
Forward planning re saving money this winter by the Isthmian League
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62658280
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Of course it is possible. It is a crisis and you have to act on a crisis.0
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I heard on the Radio BG are putting 10% of profits back to help the most needy customers.MuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.
Can't help but think this is the Tories way of managing usage over winter!1 -
not to be TOO cynical .. BG is the retail arm of Centrica and it's profits are 'small' compared to Centrica's.Rob7Lee said:
I heard on the Radio BG are putting 10% of profits back to help the most needy customers.MuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.
Can't help but think this is the Tories way of managing usage over winter!
The BBC this a.m. estimated 10% would be around £12 Million, useful, BUT in the big scheme, a few pence in the piggy bank0 -
Only 10% of profits from customers' bills which is less than the profits the crisis has given them.Rob7Lee said:
I heard on the Radio BG are putting 10% of profits back to help the most needy customers.MuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.
Can't help but think this is the Tories way of managing usage over winter!0 -
25p each! That'll save us all.Lincsaddick said:
not to be TOO cynical .. BG is the retail arm of Centrica and it's profits are 'small' compared to Centrica's.Rob7Lee said:
I heard on the Radio BG are putting 10% of profits back to help the most needy customers.MuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.
Can't help but think this is the Tories way of managing usage over winter!
The BBC this a.m. estimated 10% would be around £12 Million, useful, BUT in the big scheme, a few pence in the piggy bank1 -
exactlystevexreeve said:
25p each! That'll save us all.Lincsaddick said:
not to be TOO cynical .. BG is the retail arm of Centrica and it's profits are 'small' compared to Centrica's.Rob7Lee said:
I heard on the Radio BG are putting 10% of profits back to help the most needy customers.MuttleyCAFC said:Boris Johnson has come out and said we all have to pay for Putin's invasion and indeed Ukrainians are paying in blood. But hang on, what are the energy companies and their shareholders making record profits paying in? Record profits can be the only answer.
Can't help but think this is the Tories way of managing usage over winter!
The BBC this a.m. estimated 10% would be around £12 Million, useful, BUT in the big scheme, a few pence in the piggy bank0 -
We all can do as @clb74 suggests and put the heating on as required and pay it off over time and that’s one way of doing it but it’s building up a significant debt and I for one don’t fancy going down that route. I also don’t fancy joining the don’t pay movement for similar reasons and although we’re told we won’t be cut off we are threatened with having prepayment meters installed, although quite how they fit potentially hundreds of thousands isn’t clear. The group with no choices though are those who are already using prepayment meters who in the vast majority of cases are already at the poorer end of society. They cannot choose any of the above and either put money on their prepayment key or card ? or freeze. Many simply won’t have the available cash to do it. What then ? The eat or heat scenario will be very real and totally unacceptable in a country like the U.K. I agree with @MuttleyCAFC in that the government simply have no alternative but to act and act in a way that guarantees that the cap effectively remains where it is. Quite how that’s done will no doubt be about as convoluted as possible. It’s going to cost £100 billion to do it. That £30 billion more than Covid furlough. What’s the alternative?1
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Yes, they will try to do it differently than Labour or the Lib Dems as that is the sort of crap politics is all about. But importantly they will find the money. If they don't they will be finished as people start to really suffer. They know that as well as we do. I keep telling my mother that and there is another issue in all the worry out there that could have been mitigated by now.0
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I do wonder though if the government will allow tomorrows cap increase to go ahead and then freeze it there. Would still be nowhere near acceptable but the cynic in me wonders why Johnson has suddenly stuck his head above the parapet and told us we all need to suck up the energy crisis. Easier now for him than either Sunak or Truss to say it. Would allow the energy companies to carry on with their profits and allow the government to say they’re doing something. That’s not enough though is it.MuttleyCAFC said:Yes, they will try to do it differently than Labour or the Lib Dems as that is the sort of crap politics is all about. But importantly they will find the money. If they don't they will be finished as people start to really suffer. They know that as well as we do. I keep telling my mother that and there is another issue in all the worry out there that could have been mitigated by now.0 -
The new leader will want to announce the news and not have us told about it before they are announced. Who cares if people are at their wits end with worry. Well they don't.1
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Doesn't this presuppose that bills will go down so significantly at some point in the future that sufficient headroom will be created to pay off the debt accrued over the next year or two? Many are already beyond this point already.ShootersHillGuru said:We all can do as @clb74 suggests and put the heating on as required and pay it off over time and that’s one way of doing it but it’s building up a significant debt and I for one don’t fancy going down that route. I also don’t fancy joining the don’t pay movement for similar reasons and although we’re told we won’t be cut off we are threatened with having prepayment meters installed, although quite how they fit potentially hundreds of thousands isn’t clear. The group with no choices though are those who are already using prepayment meters who in the vast majority of cases are already at the poorer end of society. They cannot choose any of the above and either put money on their prepayment key or card ? or freeze. Many simply won’t have the available cash to do it. What then ? The eat or heat scenario will be very real and totally unacceptable in a country like the U.K. I agree with @MuttleyCAFC in that the government simply have no alternative but to act and act in a way that guarantees that the cap effectively remains where it is. Quite how that’s done will no doubt be about as convoluted as possible. It’s going to cost £100 billion to do it. That £30 billion more than Covid furlough. What’s the alternative?
They will go down a bit of course, but I've zero confidence they will simply revert to anything close to what they are now. That would require levels of market intervention that this government is ideologically opposed to.
In the meantime many more people, than already do, will die or suffer serious health issues as a result of fuel poverty.0 -
Yep. Has to be the current cap or small increase on it. I'm very worrried about how its going to be funded particualrly if help is also going to be given to businesses. Some of it will have to be from borrowing but there must be a limit on how much we can borrow without pushing down sterling and increasing inflation further. I think there really ought be be tax increases for those of us in the top 10% income bracket but can't see the present Government signing off on that.ShootersHillGuru said:We all can do as @clb74 suggests and put the heating on as required and pay it off over time and that’s one way of doing it but it’s building up a significant debt and I for one don’t fancy going down that route. I also don’t fancy joining the don’t pay movement for similar reasons and although we’re told we won’t be cut off we are threatened with having prepayment meters installed, although quite how they fit potentially hundreds of thousands isn’t clear. The group with no choices though are those who are already using prepayment meters who in the vast majority of cases are already at the poorer end of society. They cannot choose any of the above and either put money on their prepayment key or card ? or freeze. Many simply won’t have the available cash to do it. What then ? The eat or heat scenario will be very real and totally unacceptable in a country like the U.K. I agree with @MuttleyCAFC in that the government simply have no alternative but to act and act in a way that guarantees that the cap effectively remains where it is. Quite how that’s done will no doubt be about as convoluted as possible. It’s going to cost £100 billion to do it. That £30 billion more than Covid furlough. What’s the alternative?1 -
Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.0
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No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.1 -
70% of pensioners vote Tory.Rizzo said:
No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Is this a guess or a fact.0 -
67% of 70 year+ at the last election according to yougov but it was Labour who introduced the triple lock I think and they have never campaigned to end it.blackpool72 said:
70% of pensioners vote Tory.Rizzo said:
No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Is this a guess or a fact.
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In that case any party who campaign's to remove the triple lock will lose the pensioners vote.si I reckon it will remain.Jints said:
67% of 70 year+ at the last election according to yougov but it was Labour who introduced the triple lock I think and they have never campaigned to end it.blackpool72 said:
70% of pensioners vote Tory.Rizzo said:
No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Is this a guess or a fact.
Good luck for the pensioners.1
