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Tour de France (2023 from p54)

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600

  • thetomahawkkid
    thetomahawkkid Posts: 763
    stonemuse said:
    Stunning stage 
    One of the best stages for years. Stunning teamwork won that stage.
  • Gary Poole
    Gary Poole Posts: 1,874
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Quite amusing catching up on this thread with almost a whole page about how Pogacar is ridiculous and must be doping, and then on a crucial stage he drops almost 3 minutes and now likely won't win the TdF.

    So do we think maybe he isn't actually doping or do we think Vingegaard is doping too?
    I do think he was doping in the last two tdf’s, whether he still is or not, we will see or not. Froome is probably the only rider in the recent era that Pod could be compared to in terms of repeated Grand Tour success. Froome always looked to me that he would pay for big efforts the day after, but had a good team to help minimise any losses. It also helped that he was a better TTr than most of his main rivals at the time.

    I still wouldn’t be surprised to hear over the coming days Pogacar testing positive for covid. Whatever his bad day has made for a much more interesting race.
  • ColinTat
    ColinTat Posts: 2,794
    CAFC, We hate Palace said:

      Never trust a Strava segment.  That segment leaves out the final turn and finish.  But looking at Pinot's time from 2015, it would seem Kuss and Bardet did around the low 39 minutes.  So Pog, Ving and Thomas must have gone faster.  I suppose it was raced by Jumbo, whereas previous recent years have been smaller groups or as in 2018 they watched each other.  Still those are fast times.
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    What a ride by Michael Matthews.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    NornIrishAddick said:
    What a ride by Michael Matthews.
    Very impressive 
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Fantastic day of racing. This has been a great tour so far.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    colthe3rd said:
    Fantastic day of racing. This has been a great tour so far.
    Fully agreed 
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    Roglic pulled out of the Tour … will prepare to go for another Vuelta win 
  • Gary Poole
    Gary Poole Posts: 1,874
    Jumbo Visma are not having any luck today.
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  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    Gary Poole said:
    Jumbo Visma are not having any luck today.
    Indeed … but will it have an impact? 
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    stonemuse said:
    Gary Poole said:
    Jumbo Visma are not having any luck today.
    Indeed … but will it have an impact? 
    It's likely to hit in the Pyrenees, but you could even see an impact today, the heat sounds painful.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Thought they said Christophe Lepoint was protecting Vingegaard in the peleton when I first heard his name a few km ago
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Great finish - Felt sorry for Thomas (not Geraint) for not lasting.

    Almost reminded me of this sprint from Cavendish a few years ago, which really highlights the power Sprinters have.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQedKbxiuBA
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Next time I’m out around pilgrims way in the heat if someone could just follow me like this that would be grand thanks:

    https://twitter.com/treksegafredo/status/1548654028225142791?s=24
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Be awkward if he then crashed out
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,453
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Great finish - Felt sorry for Thomas (not Geraint) for not lasting.

    Almost reminded me of this sprint from Cavendish a few years ago, which really highlights the power Sprinters have.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQedKbxiuBA
     Absolutely loved that finish!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    The next two days will be critical! 
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993

    Rafal Majka suffered a muscle tear after his chain snapped on Stage 16. Mauro Gianetti, UAE Team Emirates' team principal, confirmed to Eurosport that the Polish rider would be unable to start Stage 17 in Saint-Gaudens in another blow to Tadej Pogacar's hopes of snatching back the yellow jersey from Jonas Vingegaard.

    It continues a disastrous tour for the team, who also lost Marc Soler yesterday after the Spanish rider finished outside of the stage time limit after appearing to be suffering from heat stroke.

  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,217
    Did alright today with first and third.
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  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    McNulty got an extra 2 doses.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    How much do people think Pogacar can make back, if any, in the TT?
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Not much, they're fairly even matched as TTers and given it's a fairly flat. He really needs to be taking time back tomorrow to stand a chance imo.
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,435
    colthe3rd said:
    McNulty got an extra 2 doses.
    Blood bag
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    colthe3rd said:
    McNulty got an extra 2 doses.
    Blood bag
    I have been pretty consistent about this over the years and some times you have been quite hostile against it but....

    Sky cheated, the whole of British cycling cheated.  If they actually broke the rules is a different question.

    Pogacar is cheating and he isn't winning. Categorically he is cheating.  So so must be those that are beating him

    Thomas is the best of the rest, with a world class team around him.  Yates is getting drop every time.  Are they now "clean"?
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,435
    Your previous posts were tin foil hattery of the highest order. There's nothing to suggest the sport was anything other than (in the vast majority) clean after the Armstrong era and subsequent busts. The mere fact four world class cyclists have sprung up from the same tiny country out of absolutely nowhere in the past five years is what sets alarm bells ringing - along with the ridiculous manner in which Pogacar was dominant in the two previous tours.

    The stage average times and times up climbs with comparable conditions and at comparable points in a stage simply don't point to anything like the nuclear levels of Edgar and blood bags on display in the nineties and noughties.

    You seem to have an odd, overwhelming obsession with Sky having been 'cheats', but the simple fact is - apart from financial doping (being able to buy four potential grand tour winners to ride for Froome in the mountains), there's nothing to suggest Sky had a team sanctioned doping programme going on. The statistics don't back that up.

    Is Pogacar on the gear? Yes. Are other individual riders doping? Yes. Is it at anything like the level it was in the nineties and noughties? Obviously not. 

    You want to see a sport where doping is absolutely rife, yet the governing bodies are complicit in ensuring everyone looks the other way? Try football. 

    Calm down. 
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    Geraint Thomas on Bjerknes and McNulty’a performances: “fair play to them- and whatever they had for breakfast”



  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    Geraint attacks 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    stonemuse said:
    Geraint attacks 
    Pogacar has just slaughtered his attack!!
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,993
    ForeverAddickted said:
    stonemuse said:
    Geraint attacks 
    Pogacar has just slaughtered his attack!!
    lol didn’t take long 

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