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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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How old was Shelvey on debut?1
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Also 16Starinnaddick said:How old was Shelvey on debut?2 -
Would cost a fee Bishop, 6 figure one I imagine but still,Scoham said:Players we’re not signing
feel he would suit Garners style more than Stockley, can play a bit more from what I remember and a bit more mobile0 -
I thought Bowyer was 18 but you're certainly right about Konchesky, although I don't think he really established himself until 2000/01. I recall that Parker also played against Bury early in 97/98 as a 17 year old but really entrenched himself after he came back from his Norwich loan a couple of years later.
The other really notable youngster who became a regular from pretty well the outset was JonJo Shelvey. He really did the decent thing by signing a pro contract on his 17th birthday, despite interest from the Premier League, especially given our desperate financial position at the time. Sadly, the increasing influence of agents and that blasted Elite Player Performance Plan sees a lot more young talented EFL players jumping ship these days, with minimal compensation for the clubs that nurtured their development.2 -
I think he's trying to do things on the cheap in an attempt to break even.Callumcafc said:
I’m surprised you think so. How come?blackpool72 said:
Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.
It's his money so he can do as he likes.
I just can't see us paying say 3 or 4 hundred grand on a player2 -
Thank yourandy andy said:
Also 16Starinnaddick said:How old was Shelvey on debut?0 -
Although TS has paid fees in past transfer windows, only by shelling out again now will some be convinced he doesn't lack ambition or isn't skint.
I'm confident that, within reason, he'd be prepared to pay out to secure a target high on the priority list, probably a striker of proven L1 standing, but until he does, the doubts will remain.
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Apart from Bowyer, they all spent quiet a bit of time out of the team or went on loanBlucher said:I thought Bowyer was 18 but you're certainly right about Konchesky, although I don't think he really established himself until 2000/01. I recall that Parker also played against Bury early in 97/98 as a 17 year old but really entrenched himself after he came back from his Norwich loan a couple of years later.
The other really notable youngster who became a regular from pretty well the outset was JonJo Shelvey. He really did the decent thing by signing a pro contract on his 17th birthday, despite interest from the Premier League, especially given our desperate financial position at the time. Sadly, the increasing influence of agents and that blasted Elite Player Performance Plan sees a lot more young talented EFL players jumping ship these days, with minimal compensation for the clubs that nurtured their development.0 -
Think it will more likely be a winger than a striker. Don’t think anyone of value will want to play second fiddle to Stockley if we are playing 1 up top and can’t see us splashing the cash to have someone on the bench.swordfish said:Although TS has paid fees in past transfer windows, only by shelling out again now will some be convinced he doesn't lack ambition or isn't skint.
I'm confident that, within reason, he'd be prepared to pay out to secure a target high on the priority list, probably a striker of proven L1 standing, but until he does, the doubts will remain.1 -
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.14 -
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Reminds me of that time you said "Find it" ...addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.3 -
He'll start complaining soon enough when people start digging him out for trolling yet again.paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.
I suppose people are what they are and won't be changing now.1 -
Even if we spent big on someone there would be one of our gobby “ fans “ saying “yeah I heard he paid with green shield stamps and not real money” then some of the lumpy heads would all agree and before you know it TS will have been spotted in a soup kitchen.swordfish said:Although TS has paid fees in past transfer windows, only by shelling out again now will some be convinced he doesn't lack ambition or isn't skint.
I'm confident that, within reason, he'd be prepared to pay out to secure a target high on the priority list, probably a striker of proven L1 standing, but until he does, the doubts will remain.
I just hope the players can do the business and some of these fans realise TS is not the enemy. And who knows, maybe even the recruitment team (including Martin) might get a bit of credit too.
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Yes, sorry probably a bit over the top, but he along with uboat seem to have a thing for me, now they just get on my tits😂😂😜Covered End said:
He'll start complaining soon enough when people start digging him out for trolling yet again.paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.
I suppose people are what they are and won't be changing now.3 -
paulfox said:
Yes, sorry probably a bit over the top, but he along with uboat seem to have a thing for me, now they just get on my tits😂😂😜Covered End said:
He'll start complaining soon enough when people start digging him out for trolling yet again.paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.
I suppose people are what they are and won't be changing now.
Sorry, thought i'd lighten the atmos a bit...
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Lol, would be a disappointment my tits aren’t that big!!!!, do love a Kenneth gif though, always room for that!!.👍😂eastterrace6168 said:paulfox said:
Yes, sorry probably a bit over the top, but he along with uboat seem to have a thing for me, now they just get on my tits😂😂😜Covered End said:
He'll start complaining soon enough when people start digging him out for trolling yet again.paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.
I suppose people are what they are and won't be changing now.
Sorry, thought i'd lighten the atmos...0 -
paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.
https://youtu.be/dJmg-879j5o
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Absolute belter that one. Happier days!sillav nitram said:paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.https://youtu.be/dJmg-879j5o5 -
Great news that he's sodding off to Hamlet Life.
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is Joe a loan?0
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Nope, he was releasedlancashire lad said:is Joe a loan?
https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/dulwichhamlet/news/osaghae-comes-in-2712180.html
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Well fairs fair. You had better write every single player who played senior football at 17 and still played 20+ games in a season professionally at 36. Then we can see which there are more of.addick1956 said:
Thought so. You can't 🙃paulfox said:
Ok how about fu:k off👍addick1956 said:
Name them all to prove it.paulfox said:
Yes there are far more examples of careers being cut short from starting/ breaking through at a young age than not. Obvious to say but the development of the body has a big say, be it early or late.Covered_End_Lad said:
There will always be exceptions, but if you need to go as far back as billy bonds when the game was completely different then that probably tells you something.addick1956 said:
Explain that to James Milner, Billy Bonds and many other.Covered_End_Lad said:Cafc43v3r said:
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
It is also worth noting how quickly Rooney's body and career went downhill in his early 30's. A 17 year old is not meant to be playing that much men's football at that age, yes they may be good enough but they will likely end their career earlier.
For a significant portion of players, if they play too much high level mens football as a 16, 17, 18 year old they will end their careers early.1 -
I wonder if there is many on trial with us, just there hasn't been much social media from the club this week regarding pictures of training!!!0
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Well we did sign Thatcher once. And stranger still played thatcher on the left wing.Henry Irving said:This right winger available soon
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not a chance.paulfox said:
Do you think Tommy can resist not having a bit of a show off signing? I’m hoping people are right with there assumption it’s all about him and he can’t help splashing out on someone once he’s got his freebies.blackpool72 said:
Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.1 -
Hasn’t been a transfer window yet I don’t believe where TS hasn’t paid a fee for a player but let’s not that fact spoil a good opportunity to put him down.msomerton said:
not a chance.paulfox said:
Do you think Tommy can resist not having a bit of a show off signing? I’m hoping people are right with there assumption it’s all about him and he can’t help splashing out on someone once he’s got his freebies.blackpool72 said:
Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.
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Plus the fact that he's already paid compensation for Garner, not sure about Marshall too. The cheaper option would have been to appoint one of the out of work managers who would have applied wouldn't it? Still I guess we can ignore that.RC_CAFC said:
Hasn’t been a transfer window yet I don’t believe where TS hasn’t paid a fee for a player but let’s not that fact spoil a good opportunity to put him down.msomerton said:
not a chance.paulfox said:
Do you think Tommy can resist not having a bit of a show off signing? I’m hoping people are right with there assumption it’s all about him and he can’t help splashing out on someone once he’s got his freebies.blackpool72 said:
Totally agree we should be.Callumcafc said:Colby Bishop is definitely someone we should be interested in.
But I don't believe we will spend any money this window on a transfer fee.
It will be free transfers and loan deals so I can't see it happen.
I'd love to be proved wrong Tommy so get yer check book out.23 -
If we aren’t going to be paying any fees in this window (and I can understand TS’ reluctance to plough more money in), then I struggle to see where we’re going to find the additional quality we need. Some of you may know the loan/free transfer market better than I do, but can we get the quality needed from it?0
