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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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ForeverAddickted said:Just hope we're not stupid enough to move Davison on before we find a replacement if that was the plan.
Unfortunately not overly confident that we'll manage that
I can see him being used as a make-weight for Mckirdy
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About where I am at with it.Covered_End_Lad said:It looks like we are going to play some variation of 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, for me we have some good quality at the back and plenty in midfield, the wingers are so key in both these formations and we have:CBT - very dangerous player, could be massive this season however has had hamstring issues so can we expect him to be fit to play the majority of games?DJ - I don't mind him but he blows hot and cold and jury still out.Kirk - clean slate but easily could flop again.We need at least one more high quality winger/inside forward to make this formation work.An additional striker for if Stockley gets injured is also needed as Chuks is far better off the bench and struggles to start successive matches - we really don't want to be starting Davison at this level.
I’d like us to being in a striker with slightly different attributes to Stockley.
Another winger with pace.
Id want to move on either Morgan or Gilbey and bring in cover for Dobson.And another left back, and maybe even right back as I’m not convinced Clare will be best utilised in that role, or really wants to play there anyway.0 -
How many did he score with his head as a result of hoof ball?Chunes said:
Considering we're not playing hoofball this year... Give it 5-10 games and I think we'll be reminded of how awkward he looks playing this kind of football.CafcSCP said:
Don’t know why people are so anti stockley when we already have a 20 goal striker, that would probably have been 25 or more if he hadn’t been injured.Oh Eddie Youds... said:I think we will spend money on a a striker if / when the right deal is there to be had. The club know we need to bring goals into the team to get promotion and I’m hoping the shrewd signings we have made e.g. McGrandles on a free instead of paying for Louis Reed etc are all part of the plan to save the lion share of our budget for a 20 goal striker (which we know will cost money).
aneke’ return last season was something like 4 in 9 .
he got us 15 off the bench before going to Birmingham.
Of course we’d like another but really we should have just kept Washington.
Attacking fullbacks, two wingers and more progressive midfield play should result in more, better cross shouldn't it?
Stockley, like Wyke, will score goals at this level, a lot of goals, if the service is good and proper. He doesn't need to go full Harry Kane and drop back and pick the ball up from the center halves.11 -
He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.1 -
If we are playing with Wingbacks and whipping crosses in, itll suit Stockley more than hoofball
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100% and they won't be the only ones. You don't score as many goals as he has without attracting attention, and we beat some big sides at youth level last season (Arsenal, Spurs etc).ShootersHillGuru said:I have no doubt whatsoever that Chelsea already have a dossier on Kanu.1 -
Can you point me to the season that Stockley scored 20 in league 1?CafcSCP said:
Don’t know why people are so anti stockley when we already have a 20 goal striker, that would probably have been 25 or more if he hadn’t been injured.Oh Eddie Youds... said:I think we will spend money on a a striker if / when the right deal is there to be had. The club know we need to bring goals into the team to get promotion and I’m hoping the shrewd signings we have made e.g. McGrandles on a free instead of paying for Louis Reed etc are all part of the plan to save the lion share of our budget for a 20 goal striker (which we know will cost money).
aneke’ return last season was something like 4 in 9 .
he got us 15 off the bench before going to Birmingham.
Of course we’d like another but really we should have just kept Washington.0 -
Fucking hell, Jayden is pretty much 1 in 2 in all appreances for Charlton, give him a decent partner or service and he’ll score plenty.53
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Agree. Stockley was going to be this big goal scorer last year. He got 13 in the league.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.2 -
While being 4th in the league for big chances missed, having spent a decent amount of time injured/suspended.cs1986 said:
Agree. Stockley was going to be this big goal scorer last year. He got 13 in the league.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
I just recall his performances in that lone role, even Davison looked better there. Remember Stockley screaming at Adkins to "find a better shape." People on here saying we should "play to his strengths." When we went 2 up top and more direct, he looked better.
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I can't see any more arriving from Swindon, although a player exchange plus a wedge of cash might be worth a try if BG thinks he can get his magic to work on Mckirdy here.CAFCsayer said:ForeverAddickted said:Just hope we're not stupid enough to move Davison on before we find a replacement if that was the plan.
Unfortunately not overly confident that we'll manage that
I can see him being used as a make-weight for Mckirdy
I doubt relations between the Clubs are very good at present though and we'd need to replace Davison, probably with a late loan.0 -
All about opinions but I really don’t get the Stockley isn’t any good with his feet nonsense - the guy has excellent touch - of course he cocks it up sometimes and he struggled a bit when he first came back from injury but generally he is a class act on the floor and in the air
I’m not keen on Stockton he looks like an ‘Andy Jones type lump’ ( if you are old enough to remember him ) - he scored some good goals last season one of which was at The Valley but given his age and record I would definitely worry that he could be a one season wonder6 -
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.1 -
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Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.1 -
Sorry, but Stockley does not have an excellent touch, nor is he a class act on the floor. Genuinely curious how anyone could think that if they’ve watched him play.alburyaddick said:All about opinions but I really don’t get the Stockley isn’t any good with his feet nonsense - the guy has excellent touch - of course he cocks it up sometimes and he struggled a bit when he first came back from injury but generally he is a class act on the floor and in the air
I’m not keen on Stockton he looks like an ‘Andy Jones type lump’ ( if you are old enough to remember him ) - he scored some good goals last season one of which was at The Valley but given his age and record I would definitely worry that he could be a one season wonder10 -
Swindon were 21st in league 2 for crosses per game…I think either we need a new striker or Garner will need to adapt his style slightly. He will want someone that can receive into feet and link play, Aneke fits but I don’t think stockley doesChunes said:
Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.3 -
I’m Stockleys defence during that period when we were playing a 4-3-3 we often had Gunter and Matthew’s as the fullbacks, Watson and Morgan in the midfield and Washington on one of the wings.Chunes said:
Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.
Of course they may end up being woeful, but on paper having Egbo, Sessegnon, Fraser, McGrandles, CBT in those positions is going to make a massive difference in my opinion.1 -
I only remember two, maybe three crosses into the box second halfChunes said:
Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.
The first from Kirk, was nothing more than a low pass across the goal, I'd like to know how we didnt score.
The second was a proper cross, which both Stockley / Leaburn challenged for, but was dealt with0 -
We have 2 proven L1 quality strikers, we need four so two more are needed and Davisson to be moved on.
If Deji struggles this season (young lad etc) we have 2 CB's (no point even counting Innis), we need at least one more there.
If Sessignon gets injured we have no stand by LB so we need another.
Those 4 positions, for me, are key. I am hoping that we have some cash to spend and that is why later in the window is more likely.
A top quality L1 CB, Striker and LB could really revolutionize a squad which currently has good foundations but not enough "X factor"2 -
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How can you say that! Stockley scored 20 despite being out for 2 months?wmcf123 said:
The likelihood of which is extremely high - both of them being injured . I don’t think they are good enough to take us up anywayMuttleyCAFC said:Imagine Stockley or Aneke got injured or both. We really need another striker of the calibre of Stockton IMO.2 -
McKirdy would solve the Washington replacement dilemma in my opinion, if we spend a fee on anyone this window it should be him.
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Funny enough we put more high cross in in the first half when Stockley wasn't playing.Chunes said:
Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.
The execution was the problem last season not the system it's self.
If we play to his strengths, and if the rest of the team is good enough, there is no reason you can't play "good football" and have Jayden Stockley in the team, scoring goals.
If and can are doing a lot of heavy lifting, I appreciate that, but the two things aren't mutually exclusive. I am sceptical it will happen but there isn't a reason it can't.3 -
Lee to Wrexham has been rumoured for a while. Would be a massive coup if they got Lowery.charlton_hero said:
I can't see us getting Lowery because of the players we already have.1 -
If Lowery comes in... One of Gilbey or Morgan has to go... Perhaps even DobsonCafc43v3r said:
Lee to Wrexham has been rumoured for a while. Would be a massive coup if they got Lowery.charlton_hero said:
I can't see us getting Lowery because of the players we already have.0 -
Agree it's all ifs but past evidence is doing some pretty heavy lifting too.Cafc43v3r said:
Funny enough we put more high cross in in the first half when Stockley wasn't playing.Chunes said:
Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.
The execution was the problem last season not the system it's self.
If we play to his strengths, and if the rest of the team is good enough, there is no reason you can't play "good football" and have Jayden Stockley in the team, scoring goals.
If and can are doing a lot of heavy lifting, I appreciate that, but the two things aren't mutually exclusive. I am sceptical it will happen but there isn't a reason it can't.
Going back to what you were saying about Jackson's football not being direct by design, was it reported (or just rumour) that TS and JJ disagreed on the style of football to get out of this league. Also remember JJ saying he wanted to sign a number of tall players.0 -
SheedyCAFC said:McKirdy would solve the Washington replacement dilemma in my opinion, if we spend a fee on anyone this window it should be him.
Looks an absolute world beater in that. Didn’t realise he scored such different types of goals, and assisted a fair few too.0 -
Chicken and egg though isn't it? No point crossing the ball if you don't have anyone capable of doing anything with it.NabySarr said:
Swindon were 21st in league 2 for crosses per game…I think either we need a new striker or Garner will need to adapt his style slightly. He will want someone that can receive into feet and link play, Aneke fits but I don’t think stockley doesChunes said:
Was he a victim or benefactor? He struggled so badly in the lone role under Adkins that he was shouting at the sidelines to find a better shape. Even Davison looked better in that role. People on here were saying we should play to his strengths if we've got him. When we went 352 and more direct, he was better.Cafc43v3r said:
Headers from corners and open play cross aren't from hoof ball. I would say Stockley was a victim of hoof ball as much as anyone else. Saying that I still don't believe that any hoof ball was by design.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
Didn't watch Kilmarnock but how many high crosses did we put in the box? I would be surprised if that's a big factor in our play this season.0 -
Which in context is actually quite good. He scored 4 in Adkins' disastrous 13 game spell where we only scored 14 goals overall. He was completely marginalised in that system and it was a total mess. He was also dropped to the bench for four of those games, in one case only playing 4 minutes (75 minutes total across those 4 games, 1 goal). As soon as Adkins was out and the players looked revitalised he scored 2 in 4 games, missed three games through injury, then 1 in his next 3 before being ruled out with a bad injury. He missed 13 games overall. He then scored 6 in his next 13 games, including one period where he scored 4 in 5 games. Aside from the period where we were so bad across the board we were in the relegation zone he still managed to score fairly regularly. He's been a 1 in 2 striker for us even when we've been pretty awful and the key is making sure that the team around him is able to supply him. He's proven that if you give him chances he'll score for the team. What he won't do is drag a bad team through a horrible performance, and that's what needs to be worked on with our tactics and recruitment behind him.cs1986 said:
Agree. Stockley was going to be this big goal scorer last year. He got 13 in the league.Chunes said:He scored nearly all his goals with his head.
We'll see. I said the same at the beginning of last season and got poo-pooed. Pre-season optimism is a powerful thing, nobody wants their chips pissed on. Understandably so.
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This, THIS for the 8th time, get it done BG.SheedyCAFC said:McKirdy would solve the Washington replacement dilemma in my opinion, if we spend a fee on anyone this window it should be him.1
