bobmunro said:

ForeverAddickted said:

bobmunro said:

SELR_addicks said:

This is a Man City side without a striker for an entire season by the way. 

So (potentially) winning the league and getting to the Champions League semi-finals would be seen as pretty good considering that. 

Jesus. Grealish, Stirling, Mahrez, Foden, KDB et al are all strikers - they don't play with a recognised No 9 but that is by design.

I'd only class Jesus as a natural Striker out of those names.

Grealish | Sterling | Mahrez are wide players

Foden | de Bruyne are what I'd class as attacking midfielders in the Frank Lampard sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/top-scorers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/top-scorers

But on that basis you could argue Liverpool also play without a striker Mane and Salah usually play wide left and right respectively.

Maybe that's the nature of modern football, certainly when it comes to Man City and Liverpool.  

Yeah I would argue that to be fair

bobmunro said:

ForeverAddickted said:

bobmunro said:

SELR_addicks said:

This is a Man City side without a striker for an entire season by the way. 

So (potentially) winning the league and getting to the Champions League semi-finals would be seen as pretty good considering that. 

Jesus. Grealish, Stirling, Mahrez, Foden, KDB et al are all strikers - they don't play with a recognised No 9 but that is by design.

I'd only class Jesus as a natural Striker out of those names.

Grealish | Sterling | Mahrez are wide players

Foden | de Bruyne are what I'd class as attacking midfielders in the Frank Lampard sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/top-scorers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/top-scorers

But on that basis you could argue Liverpool also play without a striker Mane and Salah usually play wide left and right respectively.

Maybe that's the nature of modern football, certainly when it comes to Man City and Liverpool.  

But they play Firmino through the middle who IS a striker no? 

killerandflash said:

SELR_addicks said:

killerandflash said:

Andyessgee90 said:

I'm about 99% certain if they had bought Kane they would have won the treble.
Can have all the attacking midfielders they want but in later competition someone who holds the ball up and wins fouls up the pitch like Kane does is invaluable. 

And (whether fairly or unfairly) I judge City and Liverpool slightly differently, simply because City are run in a different way to Liverpool, financially. City's net spend is way higher, therefore any gaps in the squad feel more self inflicted. 

Liverpool have spent:

21/22: £75m
20/21: £75m
19/20: £10m
18/19: £165m
17/18: £157m
16/17: £70m
15/16: £115m 
14/15: £136m

But what about NET spend though

They've also sold the likes of Coutinho (£121m), Suarez (£73m), Sterling (£57m), Torres (£53m)

Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool

Five Biggest Purchases

1. Virgil van Dijk – £76milion
2. Alisson – £56million
3. Naby Keita – £54million
4. Fabinho – £40million
5. Diogo Jota – £40million

Five Biggest Sales

1. Phillipe Coutinho – £121million
2. Christian Benteke – £28million
3. Mamadou Sakho – £25million
4. Danny Ings – £22million
5. Dominic Solanke – £19million

Total Spent: £479.56million
Total Sold: £360.82million

Total Net Spend: £115.74million

Pep Guardiola at Man City

Five Biggest Purchases

1. Jack Grealish – £105million
2. Ruben Dias – £61million
3. Riyad Mahrez – £61million
4. Aymeric Laporte – £58million
5. Diogo Jota – £40million

Five Biggest Sales

1. Leroy Sane – £54million
2. Ferran Torres – £49million
3. Danilo – £33million
4. Kelechi Ihenacho – £24million
5. Angelino – £16million

Total Spent: £933.21million
Total Sold: £370.21million

Total Net Spend: £563million

Liverpool don't make the top 10!

killerandflash said:

SELR_addicks said:

killerandflash said:

SELR_addicks said:

killerandflash said:

Andyessgee90 said:

I'm about 99% certain if they had bought Kane they would have won the treble.
Can have all the attacking midfielders they want but in later competition someone who holds the ball up and wins fouls up the pitch like Kane does is invaluable. 

And (whether fairly or unfairly) I judge City and Liverpool slightly differently, simply because City are run in a different way to Liverpool, financially. City's net spend is way higher, therefore any gaps in the squad feel more self inflicted. 

Liverpool have spent:

21/22: £75m
20/21: £75m
19/20: £10m
18/19: £165m
17/18: £157m
16/17: £70m
15/16: £115m 
14/15: £136m

But what about NET spend though

They've also sold the likes of Coutinho (£121m), Suarez (£73m), Sterling (£57m), Torres (£53m)

I would put Liverpool in the same bracket at Man Utd or Chelsea. 

You can claim they're 'more sensible' than Man City sure. But the idea they aren't free spending is false. 

I never said they aren't spending, but simply that City are spending a lot more.

I'm struggling to remember the last star player that City lost that they wanted to keep, whether to an English rival or to Barca or Real. Once they sign players, they are able to keep them for their prime years.

Sane? Torres this summer? 

killerandflash said:

SELR_addicks said:

killerandflash said:

Andyessgee90 said:

I'm about 99% certain if they had bought Kane they would have won the treble.
Can have all the attacking midfielders they want but in later competition someone who holds the ball up and wins fouls up the pitch like Kane does is invaluable. 

And (whether fairly or unfairly) I judge City and Liverpool slightly differently, simply because City are run in a different way to Liverpool, financially. City's net spend is way higher, therefore any gaps in the squad feel more self inflicted. 

Liverpool have spent:

21/22: £75m
20/21: £75m
19/20: £10m
18/19: £165m
17/18: £157m
16/17: £70m
15/16: £115m 
14/15: £136m

But what about NET spend though

They've also sold the likes of Coutinho (£121m), Suarez (£73m), Sterling (£57m), Torres (£53m)

There's no question that Klopp has done better in the transfer market than Guardiola, he consistent signs 30-40m players and turns them into 100m players. Luis Diaz the latest one, crazy to get him for less than 40m.

But over the next few years you'll find their net spend goes up a lot, simply because in the past they weren't as good and their best players wanted to leave for better clubs. For example if Sterling and Torres were at Liverpool today there's no way they'd be going to City/Chelsea.

This is also why City's net spend is so high. They've been an elite club challenging for the title for over a decade so therefore they generally only sign world class players and naturally those players rarely want to leave. Despite spending a lot they do tend to get value for money though, 10 of their players who appeared last night have been there at least 5 years.

It's nothing new. How many are each team getting for the FA Cup final?

iaitch said:

It's nothing new. How many are each team getting for the FA Cup final?

30,500 for each club. Not great but enough for every ST holder to go if they want.

Chelsea have 28k season ticket holders.
Liverpool have 27k - a number kept low i believe so they can sell more match day tickets to make more money. Also the reason why Liverpool have a ST waiting list of over 15 years.

If the clubs want to take the mega money from the champions league, then they should shut up about tickets going out to the sponsors. 

I don’t think i’ve ever wanted a team to lose a game so much as I do Liverpool tonight. 

NorthheathAddick said:

That's the kind of joke that I don't consider a joke. 

Well out of order 

If it were Charlton fans doing it to Palace or Millwall fans, I'd be embarrassed.

ricky_otto said:

jimmymelrose said:

NorthheathAddick said:

That's the kind of joke that I don't consider a joke. 

Well out of order 

If it were Charlton fans doing it to Palace or Millwall fans, I'd be embarrassed.

A lot of them will have missed called in sick from signing on as well. 

That's a new joke.,🤦

A lot of them will be upset for weeks, some may have kids who'll be crying for days and will grow up hating Everton when normally the two sets of supporters respect each other. It's nasty and pathetic.