Premier League 21/22

I am sure most at the time of Lampards sacking for Chelsea, thought it was a bit harsh. He done a fantastic job, also using alot of youngsters in the process.

I don't really agree he is a bad manager, Everton is such a mess its a tough job for anyone to go in there. I think they will be ok personally but they are certainly in the relegation battle, but it relies on Norwich/Brentford & Watford picking up points, which i am more confident they wont than Everton going down. 

SELR_addicks said:

cafcfan1990 said:

SELR_addicks said:

cafcfan1990 said:

SELR_addicks said:

Lampard is the most overrated manager. Glad he's getting found out. 

Did a bad job at Derby and a worse one at Chelsea. 

That’s nonsense 

Finished 6th the season before. 

Strengthened with players like Mason Mount, Harry Wilson and Tomori. 

Chelsea basically gave him their best youth players for the season. 

Still finished 20 points behind 1st and got into the playoffs by one point. No progression at all. 

So no progression = bad job? He did sign two great young players from Chelsea but surely also deserves credit for developing them? He also lost Vydra. There were some good teams in the play offs that season, they beat a Leeds side who romped the league the following season and ended up losing to a strong Villa side. 

I'm not saying Lampard is a great manager, and he got the Chelsea job being a legend and is fortunate to have got the Everton job. But saying he did a "bad" job is bollocks. Out of interest, did they progress and finish higher than 6th after he left?

No because he used up all the money and left them in trouble when he failed to get them up. 

They beat a Leeds side that sunk like a stone in the second half of the season after being top at christmas. Then got beat handily by Villa. 

He is one of the main reasons Derby are in the position they're in now. 

How much money did he spend then? 

JohnBoyUK said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

What do you think the reason behind his downfall. Ali seems to be in a similar position to Rashford. Both had a lot of success at a young age but have not had any form for last 18 months?

Have said on here before, as soon as he signed his big money deal, something like £150k a week, he stopped trying.

He used to run his absolute bollocks off, then he got a hamstring problem and he never ever put the same amount of effort in.  Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and Conte all called him out but he never changes.  It was like a switch in his head had been turned off.  It doesnt help he plays his best in behind Kane and then the shape changes but they.  Hopefully Fat Frank can reignite him.

Everton need warriors and athletes right now. They have too many that are happy to watch the game go by and that includes the likes of Dele. When they are on the ball and on form they can be very good. It's a bit like Man United at the moment. 

I've probably said this a million times before but someone like Jamie Vardy has never lost the hunger and always puts himself about even when the goals have dried up. Because he didn't have it easy, was dropped by Wednesday and had to work in a factory. Dele thinks he has the hunger but he doesn't and is coasting as are quite a few Everton and United players. Klopp and Pep have some fantastic players at their disposal but when do you ever see the likes of Salah stand around? Four hours on a bus to training and the same back every day as a kid, getting back in the early hours of a morning, five days a week, is quite an apprenticeship. 

      

Lincsaddick said:

Everton are in a mess and Lampard as yet hasn't got them playing for him .. relegation is a distinct possibility and that would surely put the skids under any new stadium plans .. under John Moores, the mega rich Littlewoods pools and shops owner, Everton were known in the 60s and 70s as the 'millionaire club' .. long since overtaken by the likes of Citeeee, Chelski and Unitteddd and newcomers Newkassel, Everton now have the issue of one of their benefactors being blacklisted over the Ukraine invasion .. worrying times as millions have been ill spent on unsuitable players in very recent times

On the playing side, Lampard has appointed his old Chelski team mucker Ashley Cole as a first team coach and has signed Dele Alli from Spurs .. with appointments like this, little wonder that the Toffees are in a right sticky mess . Lampard needs to get a grip .. and quickly

Their new stadium is already under construction, unless they hit financial trouble after relegation, I can't see them stopping now

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Addick Addict said:

JohnBoyUK said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

What do you think the reason behind his downfall. Ali seems to be in a similar position to Rashford. Both had a lot of success at a young age but have not had any form for last 18 months?

Have said on here before, as soon as he signed his big money deal, something like £150k a week, he stopped trying.

He used to run his absolute bollocks off, then he got a hamstring problem and he never ever put the same amount of effort in.  Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and Conte all called him out but he never changes.  It was like a switch in his head had been turned off.  It doesnt help he plays his best in behind Kane and then the shape changes but they.  Hopefully Fat Frank can reignite him.

Everton need warriors and athletes right now. They have too many that are happy to watch the game go by and that includes the likes of Dele. When they are on the ball and on form they can be very good. It's a bit like Man United at the moment. 

I've probably said this a million times before but someone like Jamie Vardy has never lost the hunger and always puts himself about even when the goals have dried up. Because he didn't have it easy, was dropped by Wednesday and had to work in a factory. Dele thinks he has the hunger but he doesn't and is coasting as are quite a few Everton and United players. Klopp and Pep have some fantastic players at their disposal but when do you ever see the likes of Salah stand around? Four hours on a bus to training and the same back every day as a kid, getting back in the early hours of a morning, five days a week, is quite an apprenticeship. 

      

I don't disagree with your point but it's a bit harsh to single out Dele. They were 5-0 down when he came on!

Too many of their players are coasting, the defence is poor, DCL and Richarlison are getting no real service, as well as the fact they probably both know if Everton go down they won't be there next season anyway.

I understand that and I'm not heaping it all on Dele. Last night wasn't his fault. But he is a prime example of everything that is wrong when someone gets success too early. He's probably been paid £15m in the last two years and in that time has scored one Premier League goal. That's a very expensive goal. He cannot even get a starting spot in a struggling side like Everton which rather suggests that he hasn't exactly been pulling up trees in training especially so when the team is performing so poorly.

A direct comparable to Dele, rather than say Vardy or Salah, might, might perhaps be Jarrod Bowen. They are both 25 bit have had very different paths to where they are now. Dele made his Spurs debut at 19. Having been rejected by both Villa and Cardiff, Bowen had been playing in the Conference for Hereford when Hull picked him up. It wasn't until he was 23 that West Ham signed him and you can see that he has the hunger and fire in his belly.

That four years in terms of their respective development as all round footballers is immense. Dele simply doesn't have that because he got that success very early and played in systems that suited him and his skillset. He's actually one of those players who, when he goes to close down a player, it looks totally foreign to him and it's almost an after thought for him to do so. Whereas Bowen is a livewire and always on the go who does all the hard yards as well as the more tangible bits - 16 PL goals and 13 assists for West Ham in the time that Dele has achieved one goal and one assist. That is a criminal waste of Dele's talent and his clubs' money. 

Again, I'm using Dele as an example of what can happen but he does remind me of the 18 year old that his then Manager, Steve Coppell, had a go at for lack of effort "have you seen my wage slip and the car I drive?". Dele is certainly not the only example of that in the Everton and United sides but a lot of those will find their form once again. I'm really not sure Dele will unless it's in a relegated Everton team because he is a throw back to the days of "luxury" players. There are very few that can afford to be that now especially at the highest level.

As the father of someone who is trying to make his way in another sport, probably one of the only bits of meaningful advice I've ever given to my son is this. No sportsman has ever been successful in everything they've done and all will have had big lows from time to time. But if you can look yourself in the mirror after every training session and after every match and say that you've given absolutely your all then that is all you can do. But if you can't, then you are cheating - your teammates, your coaches, your supporters, your family and friends. But the one you are cheating the most is yourself. Perhaps when Dele and others do that they can live with themselves and think nothing about taking the money under false pretences. I suspect though that he might wake up to the reality when it is all too late.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

cafcsinger said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Addick Addict said:

JohnBoyUK said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

What do you think the reason behind his downfall. Ali seems to be in a similar position to Rashford. Both had a lot of success at a young age but have not had any form for last 18 months?

Have said on here before, as soon as he signed his big money deal, something like £150k a week, he stopped trying.

He used to run his absolute bollocks off, then he got a hamstring problem and he never ever put the same amount of effort in.  Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and Conte all called him out but he never changes.  It was like a switch in his head had been turned off.  It doesnt help he plays his best in behind Kane and then the shape changes but they.  Hopefully Fat Frank can reignite him.

Everton need warriors and athletes right now. They have too many that are happy to watch the game go by and that includes the likes of Dele. When they are on the ball and on form they can be very good. It's a bit like Man United at the moment. 

I've probably said this a million times before but someone like Jamie Vardy has never lost the hunger and always puts himself about even when the goals have dried up. Because he didn't have it easy, was dropped by Wednesday and had to work in a factory. Dele thinks he has the hunger but he doesn't and is coasting as are quite a few Everton and United players. Klopp and Pep have some fantastic players at their disposal but when do you ever see the likes of Salah stand around? Four hours on a bus to training and the same back every day as a kid, getting back in the early hours of a morning, five days a week, is quite an apprenticeship. 

      

I don't disagree with your point but it's a bit harsh to single out Dele. They were 5-0 down when he came on!

Too many of their players are coasting, the defence is poor, DCL and Richarlison are getting no real service, as well as the fact they probably both know if Everton go down they won't be there next season anyway.

Do you really think Richarlison and DCl aren't trying because they're thinking they won't be there next season if Everton go down? 
They're defence is pretty poor. Holgate, Keane, Coleman, Kenny all wouldn't look out of place in the Championship. Sadly i think they'll just about stay up, but thats more to do with how poor Watford/Norwich/Burnley are

I wouldn't go as far as to say not trying, but in the back of their minds there could be a sense of not being that fussed as i'll be sold if we go down anyway. 

I still think they'll be ok though, their games with Brentford, Newcastle, Burnley and Watford will obviously be key but if they don't get many points from those, then they'll be nailed on to go down.

You could be right, i don't have anything against Everton particularly but its always amusing to see a big club go down.

Leeds look even worse under this new guy than they did with Bielsa. 

Some shocking results for the strugglers, especially Watford and Leeds who were both against mid table teams and got well beaten

I for one am really going to miss Bielsa, for a while there Leeds were a pleasure to watch.
Now I can revert to my default position of always wishing the worst for them.
Hope they go down.

Ronaldo is an absolute legend isn't he. Under quite a lot of pressure pre-game. Scores a worldie and now looking for a hat-trick.

It really doesn't get any better for Maguire does it!!!

cafcnick1992 said:

Ronaldo is an absolute legend isn't he. Under quite a lot of pressure pre-game. Scores a worldie and now looking for a hat-trick.

There it is