Ivan Toney

LS22Charlton said:

From what I’ve seen on the matter

Whilst that would certainly explain things i'm not quite sure what the point is in whoever is involved intimidating some guy to take the video down when everyone has already seen it.

Valleysarr said:

We should have signed him from Peterborough! 

Never would have got him under Roland. In hindsight we should have sold Taylor to Brentford and signed Toney. 

Mendonca In Asdas said:

Any chance we can get get Gunter and Watson to do a video?

Each to their own but that’s not for me. Probably a category on Pornhub for two washed up past it footballers nowadays tbf.

clive said:

Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384

I wonder if they had foresight of this when picking the squad

Dazzler21 said:

clive said:

Brentford and England striker Ivan Toney has been charged by the Football Association with more than 200 alleged breaches of betting rules.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63653384

I wonder if they had foresight of this when picking the squad

Definitely- It was open knowledge he was being investigated the week before the announcement. Think mentioned on here. 

My mate who’s ITK reckons loads of footballers are at it but Toney was unlucky enough to be caught.

So was he simply betting (although not permitted)?
Hopefully, nothing like match fixing?

Covered End said:

So was he simply betting (although not permitted)?
Hopefully, nothing like match fixing?

Yeah betting. 

Gone are the days when players were easily identified in bookies gambling their life away or by their distinctive voice on the phone. Instead the integrity departments at bookmakers recognise who is behind the bets even if the accounts in question aren't in the player's name by way of betting patterns, accounts linked to each other, IP addresses etc etc. The FA can demand phone records and itemised bank statements showing monies being transferred in and out that will link the footballer to the person placing the bets and because of the telephone numbers that some footballers bet in, those transactions do tend to stand out especially when they are so regular in nature. 

I very much doubt that Toney was so stupid to bet on games he was involved in but the rules cover any football match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. You cannot bet on any global football market at any level, even on aspects that aren't related to matches for example the next manager of a club. What makes the whole situation so ridiculous is that he is permitted to bet on any other sport without punishment and the fact that the FA have 232 instances of him betting on football suggests that he must have been doing so too. But those other sports weren't enough. 

As I mentioned a few days ago on the England squad thread, it might well have cost him a World Cup place but, given these are historic bets, I doubt that Toney thought he would get that close when placing them. He might have been the unlucky one and that others are doing it too. I wouldn't mind betting, though, that some of those will now think twice about carrying on especially if the FA ends up throwing the book at him by way of a lengthy ban. 

I know the onus is completely on the player but surely the bookies shouldn’t be taking the bets if it’s not right for the gambler to be doing them , you know the concerned bookies who are soooo worried about punters welfare etc but let’s be honest if he was winning he’d have been restricted to pennies and if he’s losing fire away mate 

oohaahmortimer said:

I know the onus is completely on the player but surely the bookies shouldn’t be taking the bets if it’s not right for the gambler to be doing them , you know the concerned bookies who are soooo worried about punters welfare etc but let’s be honest if he was winning he’d have been restricted to pennies and if he’s losing fire away mate 

The cynic in me suggests he was winning and a losing bookie has flagged his account to the authorities.

@bobmunro how would something like this get noticed? As i'm assuming he isn't stupid enough to have an account in his own name.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Addick Addict said:

Gone are the days when players were easily identified in bookies gambling their life away or by their distinctive voice on the phone. Instead the integrity departments at bookmakers recognise who is behind the bets even if the accounts in question aren't in the player's name by way of betting patterns, accounts linked to each other, IP addresses etc etc. The FA can demand phone records and itemised bank statements showing monies being transferred in and out that will link the footballer to the person placing the bets and because of the telephone numbers that some footballers bet in, those transactions do tend to stand out especially when they are so regular in nature. 

I very much doubt that Toney was so stupid to bet on games he was involved in but the rules cover any football match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. You cannot bet on any global football market at any level, even on aspects that aren't related to matches for example the next manager of a club. What makes the whole situation so ridiculous is that he is permitted to bet on any other sport without punishment and the fact that the FA have 232 instances of him betting on football suggests that he must have been doing so too. But those other sports weren't enough. 

As I mentioned a few days ago on the England squad thread, it might well have cost him a World Cup place but, given these are historic bets, I doubt that Toney thought he would get that close when placing them. He might have been the unlucky one and that others are doing it too. I wouldn't mind betting, though, that some of those will now think twice about carrying on especially if the FA ends up throwing the book at him by way of a lengthy ban. 

I've always thought this is quite crazy.

If Toney wanted to bet on a random Moldovan or Latvian game, or even Welling United, it's mad that he isn't allowed.

Football circles are small and Toney as an example has played at a number of levels and will have met/ played with/ against/ been mates with players at all those levels. Some of whom will have dropped down and been playing for/against your example of welling. Others (see Adam Matthews as an example) will go off and play in obscure foreign leagues. Even if its nothing as malicious as match fixing, theoretically a player could catch up with an old mate playing at any level of football and he could mention that they have a load of players out for their match and are gonna struggle....