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Managerial sackings, comings and goings
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The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager. Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't. Often without rhyme or reason.Chunes said:Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.
Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.
That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong.7 -
That's true to a certain extent. David Moyes is clearly a good manager but he was useless at United, Sunderland and Sociedad.Cafc43v3r said:
The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager. Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't. Often without rhyme or reason.Chunes said:Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.
Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.
That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong.
Bobby Robson terrible in his first job at Fulham, then became a legend in his next at Ipswich and the rest is history.
Rafa Benitez's first 2 jobs in Spain saw him sacked from both within a year, winning a combined 3 league games out of 32.
Ranieri won the league at Leicester, when he went to Fulham he was awful and lasted about 3 months.
Very very few managers are great everywhere they go.2 -
Agree, dowie, pardew, slade, Luzon, all had success elsewhere before they were rubbish for us. One exception.....Cafc43v3r said:
The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager. Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't. Often without rhyme or reason.Chunes said:Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.
Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.
That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong.
fraye or whatever the waste of space was called. He will never be successful anywhere he goes1 -
I don't know Toddy, Fraeye might make a good launderette manager.Todds_right_hook said:
Agree, dowie, pardew, slade, Luzon, all had success elsewhere before they were rubbish for us. One exception.....Cafc43v3r said:
The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager. Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't. Often without rhyme or reason.Chunes said:Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.
Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.
That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong.
fraye or whatever the waste of space was called. He will never be successful anywhere he goes1 -
2 of our 3 next opponents (Ipswich and Plymouth) could be under caretaker management by the time we play them...0
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The sporting director at Everton was obviously the problem........0
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Championship side Preston North End have sacked head coach Frankie McAvoy.
The Scot, 54, was appointed in May after a spell as interim boss following Alex Neil's departure in March.
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Could be 3 if Bonner gets the Ipswich job...killerandflash said:2 of our 3 next opponents (Ipswich and Plymouth) could be under caretaker management by the time we play them...0 -
If he was responsible for their signings then that's pretty obvious. They've spent over 300m whilst he was there and gone backwards.Cafc43v3r said:The sporting director at Everton was obviously the problem........
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Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.1
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someone's pension is a tad lighterNorth Lower Neil said:
£2.6m compensation apparently.clive said:Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road
John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.
https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/0 -
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far2 -
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.1 -
I don't disagree, especially if it was him that signed 5 10s in the same window but it was more tongue in cheek that they won as soon as they sacked him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If he was responsible for their signings then that's pretty obvious. They've spent over 300m whilst he was there and gone backwards.Cafc43v3r said:The sporting director at Everton was obviously the problem........0 -
Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as wellthenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.
He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.0 -
So many variables, like does Schumacher go with him or does he want the Plymouth job himself? Lowe (and Schumacher) was at Bury before Plymouth so not that much of an unfamiliar part of the country.thenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Howe was exactly the right manager for Bournemouth and the wrong one for Burnley, who knows if he is the right one for Newcastle, or anyone else.1 -
Both Lowe and Schumacher are scousers, so Preston is returning more or less home, whereas Howe was leaving his home area to go to BurnleyCafc43v3r said:
So many variables, like does Schumacher go with him or does he want the Plymouth job himself? Lowe (and Schumacher) was at Bury before Plymouth so not that much of an unfamiliar part of the country.thenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Howe was exactly the right manager for Bournemouth and the wrong one for Burnley, who knows if he is the right one for Newcastle, or anyone else.
The thing about Preston, is that they're a midtable Championship club. They don't have the crowds or sugar daddy to be a regular top 6 club, so realistically what can he achieve? They're a bit like Millwall, a good season will see them flirting with the playoffs, a bad season will see them flirting with the bottom 3, but generally they finish midtable4 -
That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."ForeverAddickted said:
Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as wellthenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.
He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition.1 -
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Should drive them into the fast lane for promotion?2
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It'll be interesting how Lowe gets on without his assistant3
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Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't.thenewbie said:
That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."ForeverAddickted said:
Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as wellthenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.
He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition.
There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce. Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder.
I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design. Certainly in 3 of those cases.
Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man.
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Or how Schumacher gets on without the hand breakkillerandflash said:It'll be interesting how Lowe gets on without his assistant
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Cafc43v3r said:
Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't.thenewbie said:
That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."ForeverAddickted said:
Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as wellthenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.
He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition.
There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce. Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder.
I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design. Certainly in 3 of those cases.
Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man.
Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.
Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards.
That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.0 -
And disaterus 12th and 13th place finishes.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Cafc43v3r said:
Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't.thenewbie said:
That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."ForeverAddickted said:
Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as wellthenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.
He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition.
There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce. Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder.
I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design. Certainly in 3 of those cases.
Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man.
Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.
Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards.
That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.
I am not a massive fan of Bruce but I think the general principle is sound though. There are many good/successful managers that are as old or older as Bruce.
No one is to blame for Newcastle bar Ashley, if indeed there needs to be any blame for a club that haven't been out of the top flight for more than 1 season in 30 years.0 -
Championship side Preston North End have named Plymouth Argyle boss Ryan Lowe as their new manager.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59565107
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Pretty sure Rafa spent over £100m in his 3 years in charge as wellChris_from_Sidcup said:Cafc43v3r said:
Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't.thenewbie said:
That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."ForeverAddickted said:
Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as wellthenewbie said:
Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him.ForeverAddickted said:
He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouthcharltonman2016 said:Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager.
Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another.
Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.
He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition.
There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce. Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder.
I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design. Certainly in 3 of those cases.
Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man.
Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.
Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards.
That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.
There is no denying their fans were against Bruce from the start and made it almost impossible for him to succeed.
He could have won the league and they would have moaned it wasn't by enough points
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Jack Ross has left his role as Hibernian manager just over a week before he was due to lead them out in the Scottish League Cup final.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59591315
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Sunderland should bring him back, so that they can lose against us under him at Wembley for a second timeclive said:Jack Ross has left his role as Hibernian manager just over a week before he was due to lead them out in the Scottish League Cup final.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59591315
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